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Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 879
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 2:59 pm: | |
Jonathan,
1) Rubber bumpers are often repairable with std body shop supplies.
2) The Euro front bumper does look a lot better, mounts to the original bumper bracket. However, it will protrude a bit more than the Euro bumper should.
It's vy easy to make up a new euro bumper bracket if necessary. Last year I bought what was supposed to be an exact repro Euro back bumper. The mounting area is not recessed in the bumper, so I'm making 2 new, ~2" shorter brackets. The Euro bracket is nothing but a short piece of round pipe welded to a rectangular piece of steel with 2 bolt holes in it. |
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 492
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 6:57 am: | |
Jonathan,
>>>>How unfortunate for you that the air pump and catalytic converters fell off! Those darned Italian bolts just don't work very well.<<<
MANY thanks for the wonderful laugh! (Humor) perhaps the car was trying to get rid of the "virus" on your car :-)
Enjoy the Drive,
Steven "no cats" Rochlin
PS: my original euro bumper is getting on. let me know how it goes and perhaps a group buy. BTW Jeff (Ferrari UK), any word on my drivers side door part yet???
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Philip Airey (Pma1010)
Member
Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 299
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 9:41 am: | |
Jonathan
Continental Autosports is a Ferrrari authorized dealer in Hinsdale, IL 630 655 3535. Ask for Randy Rodgers, parts manager. He knows Ferrari's like few other guys (20-odd years in the business).
By the way, he also had a used rear grill in great condition too - I think from a 79 - 84 car. |
Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 8:48 am: | |
Philip,
Do you have a URL or contact for Continental? I didn't see them in the links page. Thanks!
Jonathan |
Peter Delaney (Delaney)
New member
Username: Delaney
Post Number: 13
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 7:43 pm: | |
I sold my Euro bumper to a guy called Bill van Dyne. He said he was going to reproduce some. You may want to check the cost.
His e-mail is: [email protected] |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
Member
Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 298
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:18 pm: | |
Jonathan
The euro bumpers bolt right on. For US, you'll see them advertised from time to time. Check with Randy at Continental - I know he had a nice set of (used) US spec bumpers (they came off my car.
Philip
Oh, and put on a tubi |
Dave (Dave)
Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 517
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:01 pm: | |
Johnathan,
A 77 308 is a pre-cat car and should not have cats, but a thermoreactor that is built into the muffler.
By changing to say a Tubi you will gain better performance and shed 48lbs...
add a K&N airfilter and rejet, and things start to feel real good. |
Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 4:57 pm: | |
Hi Jeff,
Can I just bolt that Euro bumper on or is it going to be a conversion nightmare for a U.S. spec car? ("ONLY" $528??!)
Dare I ask if you can get U.S. spec ones and how much?
-Jonathan |
Tommy Anastasiou (Tommya)
Junior Member
Username: Tommya
Post Number: 117
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:23 am: | |
Jeff,
Is that for both or just 1 bumper ??
I might join in a group buy.
Regards
Tommy A
P S Thank you hor the help with the Glass. |
Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Member
Username: Ferrari_uk
Post Number: 361
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 6:40 am: | |
Birdman...
Why pay for a repro Euro bumper when you can have the Genuine article for just $528 + shipping !!
Let me know if this appeals !! Convert some buddies too and it will reduce the shipping !! |
Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 9
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 7:16 pm: | |
So what you guys are saying is that with proper jetting, a car without an air pump will be able to run perfectly well, except with more toxic fumes coming out the tailpipes?
Jonathan |
Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member
Username: Bill308
Post Number: 474
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:53 am: | |
Barry,
The air pump on a 308 feeds air into the exhaust port so this is not an EGR system. When the air injection system is operating, emissions should be reduced as further oxidation of hydrocarbons will occur in the exhaust stream. |
Barry A. Freda (308barry)
New member
Username: 308barry
Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 5:05 am: | |
The pump adds air, either fresh or recirculated exhaust gasses back into the intake system to be burned. This increases the PPM - parts per million ratios. One other thing i did not mention, you need to plug the air tubes. Thats were those long stems are sticking up from the exhaust manifold, I took out one of the sensors and brought it to a local machine shop, he made me a matching plug. I forget if my car had a EGR valve or not, I think I made a metal plate to cover that hole as well. By the way, I tried to rejet my carbs myself. Too much of a guessing game, go to the pros. Be prepared for a dramatic increase in noise. Personaly, I love it.
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Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 7
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 3:50 pm: | |
Hi Barry,
How unfortunate for you that the air pump and catalytic converters fell off! Those darned Italian bolts just don't work very well. Thanks for your input. Definitely anything that involves calibrating carbs would require sending the car to someone else...way out of my expertise.
By the way, what the hell does an air pump actually do?
Jonathan |
Barry A. Freda (308barry)
New member
Username: 308barry
Post Number: 8
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 7:19 am: | |
Jonathan: About 10 years ago, while driving around in NJ, my catalytic converters fell off, and so did my air pump. Still have not figured out why. I always wanted this to happen but I new it was illegal and I would'nt want to break the law. So I just replaced the exhaust system with a stainless system. No room for cats - too bad. I have had no trouble getting my car throught inspection each year. The exhaust replacement was easy, rejetting will require someone with knowledge of webers and an emmissions machine. Don't let the carbs scare you, they are pretty easy to dis and reassemble.
Car breaths and sounds great. It may not be fast, but it sure sounds fast.
Barry
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Jonathan Bird (Birdman)
New member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 5
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2003 - 11:58 pm: | |
And for my next stupid question....
Here in lovely MA, cars that are 25 years old are no longer tested for emissions. (BIG grin). So you probably know where I'm going with this.
Nevermind the law here....but lets just say HYPOTHETICALLY of course that a certain person in possession of a '77 308 with 4 wonderful weber carbs wanted to lose the emissions controls and make that car breathe a little easier. This is obviously much more complicated than just taking out the cat converters. There would be jetting issues, air pump issues, etc. Is this way too much work?
Second question. I have to assume that at some point Cat converts die and stop working. Obviously, a person in my position wouldn't want to spend a lot of cash to replace something that is no longer required by law to make my car slower. What would one do in this situation? I'm curious what the experienced Ferraristi would do in this case...
As always, I'm humbled by your knowledge and listen in rapt attention!
Best,
Jonathan
P.S. Poll: which looks better, a Euro front bumper or a U.S. version. I have a cracked bumper and I'm considering replacing it with a Euro reproduction since it's a whole heck of a lot less expensive than a used U.S. one or a (gasp) new Ferrari product ($2100!)
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