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Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 614 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 10:57 pm: | |
Congratulations, Jonathan, on your ownership of that beautiful GTB! |
Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 10:31 pm: | |
Hey thats a good translator. It even had maggiorato! |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 613 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 10:26 pm: | |
Jonathan, So you have the shallow spoiler as I have on my car. Then the parts you need and ordered are #s 60298304 (right) and 60298403 (left) for the shallow spoiler. Sorry for my confusing stoneguards with scuffplates. You know, I once saw a 355 with aftermarket scuffplates installed. The owner put heavy tape over the scuffplates to protect the scuffplates from being scuffed which protect the spoiler from being scuffed........ A good website for translating Italian is: http://www.systransoft.com I'm happy that Ferrari UK had the parts you need. Jeff and Mark have been of great help to me as well. Barry
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Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 1:52 pm: | |
You guys are awesome. This is great. Verell, thanks for your offer...but I already ordered the part from UK. Well, it wasn't too expensive. Talk about just being a piece of sheet metal...check this one out. The previous owner of my car used a metal "FOR SALE" sign to replace the one in my wheel well, without even painting it first. I looked down into my engine bay and saw "FOR SALE" staring me back. The annoying part was that it had $12,500 written below it. I hope it came from another car!! Barry, thanks for the pic. That's the one I have on my car too. Andy, I would love to see what a 77 "maggiorato" style spoiler looks like. I guess it probably looks like the bigger spoiler on the QV like Verell has. Gianluca, thank you for the translation. I'm gald we have some real Italians on the site!! I tried to find the word in an internet Italian-English dictionary and it couldn't find a match. I was thinking that maybe Ferrari made that one up. Jonathan |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 612 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 12:54 pm: | |
Verell, I see what you're referring to. I thought the stoneguard being discussed was something applied to the front lip of the spoiler or the lateral aspects as I've seen fitted to 355s to prevent scraping. Anyway, yes there is such a part which makes up the lower front part of the wheel well. Apparently a differently shaped part is used for the cars with deep spoilers. Here are the pages from the parts manual showing the "parassasi" (#8) for the shallow spoiler. I've included the parts list on the following page. It looks like Jonathan needs parts #s 60307501 and 60307600. If unavailable, they can easily be fabricated as you mentioned. (A picture is worth a thousand words) Barry
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Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell
Post Number: 906 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 9:18 pm: | |
Barry, The body of the spoyler wraps around to form the lower half of the front fender. Immediately in front of each front wheel is a 'stoneguard' plate that forms the front of the wheel well. The outer edge of the plate must match/seal up against the edge of the spoyler that forms the lower lip of the wheel well. The standard and maggiorato spoilers must have slightly different contours, hence different stone gard plate part #s. BTW Jonathan, my car has a magiorato spoyler, so you can take a close look Thursday. |
Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Junior Member Username: Tuttebenne
Post Number: 211 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 8:44 pm: | |
"maggiorato" is Italian slang for "scrapes on driveway aprons". Just kidding;). I can send you a picture of my deep spoilered '77GTB if it helps. Andy |
Gianluca Chegai (Gianluca)
New member Username: Gianluca
Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 5:32 pm: | |
Jonathan, "maggiorato" means "increased in size" "oversized" Gianluca |
Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 609 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 5:31 pm: | |
Jonathan, Here's a better view of my front "standard" or "shallow" spoiler: No metal strip was fit to this spoiler in 1976. I'm not sure about later models. Barry |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell
Post Number: 905 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 10:44 pm: | |
Jonathan, That stone guard is nothing but a flat metal plate of 18ga. steel or Al with a single bend in it. Pick up a sheet of electro galvanized 'repair metal' from anny auto parts plase & bring it when you bring your car to show me. We can use my panel as a pattern with minor editing as I have the big (maggiorato) spoiler. I've got an 18" bending brake that shold make the bend just fine. |
Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:55 pm: | |
I think I might have just answered the question. In the 1978 parts list I have, it lists a euro spoiler and a US spoiler ("spoyler normale" and "spoyler maggiorato" whatever that means). Of course, the stoneguard isn't called a "normale" and a "maggiorato" but instead a "maggiorato" and a "non magiorrato". I can see I'm going to have to bone up on my Italian! Anyone know what maggiorato means? :-) Jonathan |
Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:40 pm: | |
Hi Steve, Thanks for the help. It does seem like they're talking about the front spoiler, huh? However, one of those two cars you linked is a QV. Were there two different front spoilers between US and Euro in the 1977 cars? I am looking specifically at the Ferrari UK part website for the model year 1977 GTB/GTS US model only, and they call out two different spoilers with no explanation. I didn't think there WERE two different front spoilers in the same year. I'm 90% certain I have the shallow one (hey, for once I have the less expensive part) but I hate to order it unless I'm sure. Thanks, Jonathan
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Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1937 Registered: 1-2001
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:29 pm: | |
Jonathan -- click on the following Author's profiles: Mike Charness has the "deep" Euro (standard) 308 front spoiler http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=mcharness-users Barry Wolinsky has the shorter US 308 front spoiler http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=308gtb-users
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Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:13 pm: | |
Hi Philip, I should have specified that I'm talking about the FRONT wheel. What airdam? Hey, you an I have the same year and model. What do you suppose yours is? Jonathan |
Philip Airey (Pma1010)
Member Username: Pma1010
Post Number: 305 Registered: 7-2002
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 8:22 pm: | |
I'd guess the spoiler is an airdam. The euro cars and some US cars were fitted with a "deep dish" type. If the part you are describing is the one I am thinking of, (say 10 inches by 8 inches), they are shaped differently dependent upon which spoiler is fitted to the car. |
Jonathan (Birdman)
New member Username: Birdman
Post Number: 29 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 8:06 pm: | |
Hi Everyone, My 308 is missing the stoneguard in front of the right (Passenger) side wheel in the wheel well. I'm trying to order one from Ferrari parts UK but there are two kinds...a "shallow spoyler" (that's how they spell it) and a "deep spoyler" version. There is no indication in the parts list or diagram what the difference is and I have no idea what "spoyler" they are referring to!! Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks. Jonathan
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