| Author | Message | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 700 Registered: 2-2002 |
George call me. you got mail. yes the rotors will work with the distributor caps. | ||
| George LaFleur (308geo)
New member Username: 308geo Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2002 |
Verell, I will send you all the rotors that I have (5 total--one with the contact tip snapped off). I can send you some now and the last two after I get the off. E-mail me your address again ( [email protected] I think I remember sending you some literature before--so what happened to the Ferrari List? I go off for a few months and it is gone when I try to log in the check an archived post, the site is gone! | ||
| George LaFleur (308geo)
New member Username: 308geo Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2002 |
Kelly, Thanks for the in depth reply on the proceedure. I hope my comments and questions do not make me sound too much like an idiot, i just want to make sure I can handle this before I tackle it. If it is beyond my abilities, I'll find someone that has done this before to help. George >>>I order 2 adapter $75.00 each. 2 o rings and 2 4 mm pins<<< Order from GT Car Parts? Are these new tips? >>>Take the cams out<<< Oh boy, this sounds involved. >>>Break the nut on the sprocket side loose. Hammer out the 4 mm pin that holds the adapter in the cam shaft and knock the adpter out using a long 1/4 inch rod<<< Sounds easy enough. >>>put it right back in and line up the holes of the pin<<< put the old tip back in? Which holes? >>>Put the cam on a table drill press<<< Got it. >>>Use a 6 inch screw and screw it in the electrical side of the rotor adapter, the one that makes contacts<<< Unsure what you mean here; got pics? >>>Raise the table up and down and turn the shaft until you know that the shaft is at due north 0 degress<<< I don't mean to sound stupid, but are we building a compass here? I'm unsure what you mean. >>>We got it down to .007 of an inch at 5inches about the cam. We used a micron meter<<< See prevoius comment. >>>Knock the adtaper out and Put in the new one<<< No sweat. >>>Use a level to level the adapter in the cam and then mark the 4 mm hole<<< Level by height, length, just a perfect perpendicular fit or ??? >>>Take the new adapter out and turn the cam so you can drill the hole in the adapter. With the drill press make sure the 4mm drill bit can go through the holes in the cam with out scapping it<<< I think I get this part if I can get to this step. >>>put the adapter back in and drill the hole<<< I thought I just did drill the hole. >>>hammer in the new 4mm pin and replace the shaft in the car<<< This sounds easier than it probably is. Do I need to reset the timing belts and all? This sounds like a very invasive proceedure that maybe over my head or at least a very long project. Am I way off base here? >>>Make sure to use on some rebuild lube<<< ??? >>>and do not over tighten the cam caps nuts 7lbs only<<< No problem here >>>I paid $27 for my QV rotors and the car is running fine<<< Can you use the 308 2 valve dist caps or do you then need the QV caps or are they the same? >>>Good luck<<< I'll need that or $$$ for someone to do this for me... :-) | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 699 Registered: 2-2002 |
Thanks Keith point well taken. I aleways put it pretty heavy around the end and around seal, but I just use a thin coat on The long lengths, i don;t think it was to much. Kelly | ||
| Keith Mahan (Gyrokeith)
New member Username: Gyrokeith Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2003 |
Kelly.. In my past engine travels I have seen more engine failures due to globs of RTV than I can count on both hands. It is good that you used the hi-temp red stuff, but there seems to be extra beads squeezed out in your picture. If it shows like that on the outside it probably shows like that in the inside. In the future try and put on just a super thin coating, such that you almost can't see the color. That will keep squeezed out amounts to a minimum. If you are like me then you love driving these cars. It would be a sad loss if some of that extra RTV gets loose in the engine and blocks an oil passage. I would be inclined to re-do the valve covers and make sure that extra stuff wasn't inside. For years I drove and worked on "air" cooled vw beetles. I tore down 2 engines from one guy alone that had main bearing failures from little rtv snakes stuck under the bearing shells and blocking oil flow. A vw crank is only $150 or so today. From what I can see a 308 crank might cost over $3000. | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 696 Registered: 2-2002 |
picture of installed QV rotor adapter on a 2 valve 308.  | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 694 Registered: 2-2002 |
Verell, I got mine to ship to you. I just got to remember to do it. George, Here's what i had to do. I order 2 adapter $75.00 each. 2 o rings and 2 4 mm pins. Take the cams out. Break the nut on the sprocket side loose. Hammer out the 4 mm pin that holds the adapter in the cam shaft and knock the adpter out using a long 1/4 inch rod. put it right back in and line up the holes of the pin. Put the cam on a table drill press. Use a 6 inch screw and screw it in the electrical side of the rotor adapter, the one that makes contacts. Raise the table up and down and turn the shaft until you know that the shaft is at due north 0 degress. We got it down to .007 of an inch at 5inches about the cam. We used a micron meter. Knock the adtaper out and Put in the new one. Use a level to level the adapter in the cam and then mark the 4 mm hole. Take the new adapter out and turn the cam so you can drill the hole in the adapter. With the drill press make sure the 4mm drill bit can go through the holes in the cam with out scapping it. put the adapter back in and drill the hole. hammer in the new 4mm pin and replace the shaft in the car. Make sure to use on some rebuild lube and donot over tighten the cam caps nuts 7lbs only. I paid $27 for my QV rotors and the car is running fine. Good luck. Kelly | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 932 Registered: 5-2001 |
George, If you're going to toss your old bad 'i' rotors, I'd like to get them & need some to start reverse-engineering from. I plan to reproduce them at some time in the future. Also, your old 'large' end tips would help as alignment tooling. To see what I've been making, search the Tech Q&A archives for 'Unobtainium'. | ||
| d mark blanchard (Dmblanchaolcom)
New member Username: Dmblanchaolcom Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
Dear George, These are the same rotors used on my 82 Mondial and they are VERY hard to find. (read next to impossible.) I tried getting one about six months ago and had no luck through any on-line source, finally I resorted to calling dealers across the country and finally found one, count 'em one, in Ferrari of Denver. It was the last one they had, maybe the last west of the Mississippi. I definitely recommend the switch to the QV rotors. When they break they're cheap and easy to find. Mark | ||
| George LaFleur (308geo)
New member Username: 308geo Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2002 |
Kelly, Thanks and I was afraid of that. I have located some small camshaft end tips, but what is the trick to getting the old large ones off? Just pull or drill or ??? Can the switch be done without too much disassembling? | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 693 Registered: 2-2002 |
Your are SOL, Check my post of how I switched to the QV rotros. Call bill at Gt Car Parts. Good Luck Kelly http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/79558/265850.html?1057376662 | ||
| George LaFleur (308geo)
New member Username: 308geo Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2002 |
Does anyone know of a source that may still have some of the LARGE black distributor rotors (NOT the small white ones) that were used on the US version 1981-1982 308 2 valve injected cars. The stupid thing is that the small white ones were used on the earlier carbed cars and again on the later QV cars. They just kind of switched for that couple of years for no reason. I previously found a source on the internet, but I cannot seem too find the book marked page or a mention of the link in any saved e-mails. I need 2 new ones. Any help is appreciated |