| Author | Message | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 28 Registered: 6-2003 |
thx for all the help... I have found the Ferrari UK part that Matt listed and another at allferrariparts.com (thanks Rich). Whew, that was worrying me. I may get out of this for not much more than $1000 parts and labor. Not bad for a 30 year old exotic. I'll update progress as it happens. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6169 Registered: 8-2002 |
Water Pump case from FoUK [1] #26846 246GT/S WATER PUMP CASE OE=NLA Unit price: �224.95 Quantity required: 1 This part supersedes: 4234158 that's about $360 in our dollars. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member Username: Verell Post Number: 989 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tony, There's a couple of pumps on eBAY: Most promising is: FERRARI 328 & 308 & MONDIAL NEW WATER PUMP http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424704392&category=6763 Don't get your hopes too high for a bargain tho, George Evans reserve is always very close to his 'buy it now' price. Ferrari 308 Water Pump Housing Complete http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2424372454&category=33604 Search recent posts for 'water pump' I'm pretty sure Jeff Howe posted Ferrari.UK's price about a week ago. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6168 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tony, Ferrari of UK for the parts. e-mail Mark @ [email protected] for what you need. You should get it next day | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 419 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tony, sounds like great news! I suspect that water pump body will be difficult to find, but it's better than having a major engine problem! I wonder if it is the same as the water pump used on the engine when installed in the Fiat Dinos? If so, you'll probably have better luck finding one. I bought a new bearing/shaft, impeller, and seal for my water pump but couldn't find any shop brave enough to press the bearing out. They were afraid they'd brake the housing. I had to just put the pump back on and live with the minor leakage (only when parked). I passed the parts on to the next owner and he found a mechanic brave enough. The usual suspects for dino parts would be worth trying. Dennis McCann (allferrariparts.com) and Mike Elliot in the UK (www.superformance.co.uk). Jeff who posts here from Ferrari UK would be good to check with too: he's posted some photos leading me to believe they have tons of old Ferrari parts. | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 27 Registered: 6-2003 |
oh, and presumably, the smoke was from the coolant hitting the headers and steaming off. Makes sense, as I never smelled hot oil when the car was parked in the garage minutes after the 'event'. | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2003 |
root cause: water pump impeller shaft bearings went out, the impeller went off center and ground into the water pump cast housing. Hence the horrible grinding clanging noise. So I was actually pretty close with my suspicion of water impeller being involved. Thankfully, the front cover to the engine (facing the backside of the impeller) didn't get involved, which would have been a PROBLEM. The parts involved will be a new water pump housing, impeller, shaft bearing and whatever seals/gaskets. Of this, the housing is the rare one... Any ideas where to get a used or new water pump housing, without paying full ticket from the dealer??? thx for any help... p.s. the oil I thought that was spewing out was apparently just dirty slimy coolant. Need to check the garage floor to verify that... I thought by now I could instantly tell the diff between the two. | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2003 |
Matt, you have my $10 bill if that's all it is... oh God, I am hoping I lose this bet !!!  | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6138 Registered: 8-2002 |
I called it first
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| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6137 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tony, I have $10 on a busted oil line. You want in on that action? Matt | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2003 |
thanks for the advice. It is being flat bed towed into a mechanic tomorrow that has done alot of 246 Dino's. He will pull the wheel well and tire and see what's what. Given my somewhat imperfect description, he is a bit mystified as well. We'll know by tomorrow evening perhaps what the score is. | ||
| TOM BUCKLEY (Tom_b)
New member Username: Tom_b Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2003 |
Don't panic ! (imagine thet . ME being the voice of reason ) . What may have happened is that an oil line broke and dumped enough oil to "starve" the valve train and that what you hear is the cam lobe against the valve shim bucket. Not a big deal if you didn't run it too long like that. First , check the oil level to confirm my suspicion. It should not read on the dipstick. Then locate the busted hose and replace it. Then fill with oil. Start the car. If all is silent, offer a prayer of thanks to St. Scuderia and drive off into the sunset. Tom | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2026 Registered: 11-2002 |
Please do not keep running the engine until a complete visual inspection & determination of what is going on is made. Jack the car up pull the right side tire and wheel wheel and start looking around, if you need to turn the engine over use a socket & ratchet on the crank pulley nut until you have a better idea of what is going on. If nothing is seriously wrong the slow careful approach will keep it that way. | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2003 |
I don't think it's a mechanical problem in the core engine, i.e. valve train, timing chain, etc... as the engine revved ok while whatever breakdown was occuring. It seems to be something peripheral to the engine, but then again, oil is coming out. But only under pressure... checked under the car today and not one drop spilled while the engine was resting overnite. Well, I'll let you guys know... I am calling around for a place to check it out and will update when I find out what the damage is. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6123 Registered: 8-2002 |
The oil lines are on the right (pass) side. I have seen a couple of Dino's that the oil line rubbed on the fender wheel wheel and broke. | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 406 Registered: 10-2001 |
Sorry to hear about this Tony. If oil is spewing out, you've got much larger problems than the water pump. Were you able to tell where the oil was coming out from. The first thing I'd do is pull the cam covers off and see if the chains are still attached, and look at the cams, buckets, shims. Many noises can be from the valve train. It wouldn't explain the oil coming out but it's simple to look (just a pain since there are 32 bolts per cam cover!) so you might as well start there. | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 457 Registered: 12-2002 |
I hope you haven't had a camshaft lobe go bad and take out a bucket and shim, but from your description.... Take Peter's advice - don't drive it! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2941 Registered: 12-2000 |
Maybe the timing chain tensioner let go. In any case, don't drive the car, get it flat-bedded to the mechanic! | ||
| tony zuccarino (Tzucc)
New member Username: Tzucc Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2003 |
riding the dino246gt tonite, not hard at all. All of a sudden, close to home thankfully, the engine starts making this ticking sound on the far right side. Then it gets progressively worse into a clanging sound like we are dragging something on the road for sure. Then smoke from the right engine side. I shut it down... started it back up in the garage, and oil is spewing out while the engine is running and that horrible clanging noise starts again. Figure it can't be a timing belt or anything major in the combustion path, or else the motor would be toast. Could this be the water pump impeller disintegrating? Any ideas before I go to the mechanic? thx, tony |