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Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 72
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 2:53 pm: | |
Thanks for clarifying that Verell. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 999
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 9:50 pm: | |
Jim,
You've miss-informed by someone who didn't look at your profile to see what you're driving. The $300 clutch from George Evans is for 3x8s, not a Testarossa. However, it still may be worth contacting him as he's pretty competetive.
Evans Automotive:
http://www.evansauto.com/
eMAIL: [email protected]
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Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 69
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 2:15 pm: | |
So, who is George Evans? (I ran short on time, and ordered a kit from TRutland for Saturday delivery...he worked on price to get close to Ferrari UK, which was US $1335). I can't imagine getting it for $300, that must not be a dual disk model. I will call him though, and buy one as a back up for that price, if that is for real!! |
Henryk (Henryk)
Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 966
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 5:50 pm: | |
I searched high and low for someone to resurface my clutch discs, prior to buying a complete package. Found NO ONE!!!!!!!!!
Those that will resurface your discs with kevlar, or do a high performance upgrade, want you to send them NEW discs, NOT used ones. They will NOT work with the used ones. They told me that this was due to the springs being sprung, and the discs probably warped........hence, no one will do it. I have reached some places that do it to truck clutches, but they don't recommend it on a car, and would not want to do it........truck clutches are a total different animal.
Bite the bullet, and buy the complete package, while searching for the best price. That appears to be the best one can do.
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James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 205
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 5:39 pm: | |
Wasnt there a thread on different clutch material and one of the material was kevelar (forgive the spelling as it may be wrong) I thought the tread even gave names of places that rebuild the clutch disk. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1585
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 3:25 pm: | |
George Evans sell them for $300-$350. It's the OEM AP B&B, the real deal. PP, disc, TO bearing. I think you have to ask for the O-rings, tho. |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 66
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 9:14 am: | |
British supplier of B&B clutches (Autospares) cannot supply this unit. |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 65
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 8:59 am: | |
Ferrari Parts Exchange=$2,200 (high) |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 64
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 8:50 am: | |
Andy, I have been told that Ferrari has licensed AP to sell this clutch, and that they control the price. No verification of that, but I am trying to get a price from a UK supplier of B&B clutches based on part number. Couldn't find a US supplier, although some lit says that Chrysler has used B&B in the past, but it describes a 12 spring clutch and this is a 6 spring unit. I have also found a drag racing supplier that sells them, but start at 10.5" and this is 9.5". It is now officially a QUEST!
Henryk,I pulled the bell housing off complete, and then removed the clutch cover and the clutch plate. Point well taken on age of car, but I am trying not to be wasteful.
Dave, I got a quote from Ferrari UK this morning, and they are at $838.50 BP, which is $1,355.96 US, best price thus far. Ferrari Denver was $3,000 for clutch plate and $4,000 for assembly, so I guess they do sell seperately.
I have been told to get the pressure plate and clutch balanced seperately so that they don't have to be replaced together next time. Sounds good to me. Any contrary experience to relate??
Thanks for all the advice guys. Also, the car is in Indy at the moment, but I am in Denver regularly (my firm's main office location). I have part number from Ferrari, it is #135076 and the clutch (B&B 53B23).
I wonder if any of the US parts suppliers will match UK price? I guess it won't hurt to ask, eh?
(Its the old Protestant ethic that I do the work myself and get the best price possible, besides that, my mechanic is on the Champ Car circuit and in Toronto until Monday, and I can't wait forever)
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Andrew A. Illes (Andyilles)
Junior Member
Username: Andyilles
Post Number: 170
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 12:19 am: | |
Jim,
It's true that your clutch is only sold as an assembly. However, if you take the disc to any decent clutch shop, and I'm sure Denver has many, they can match it up. There's much ado about the rpm's F cars run at.. but you don't often hear of a disc coming apart. It's the law of the case.
Best regards,
Andy |
Mike Florio (Mike_in_nevada)
New member
Username: Mike_in_nevada
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 9:31 pm: | |
I would recommend replacing the throwout bearing for sure. I replaced the clutch on my 308 about 15 years ago, and saved the old disc and pressure plate. A real old-timer 308 owner told me he could get the plate resurfaced and balanced and use it again. He changes plates (only) about every 10K miles. |
Henryk (Henryk)
Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 960
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 9:01 pm: | |
Jim: Did you remove the bell housing as a whole? You can only buy the clutch as a complete complete......with pressure plate, hence, you will have to replace it due to the balancing of the complete unit as a whole.
While you don't have many miles on the car, it is 12 years old. This is 12 years of the finger spring tension of the pressure plate becoming weaker.......besides, you don't have a choice......you can't buy just the clutch discs.
Remember to have the flywheel resurfaced. |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2061
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 7:51 pm: | |
AP Racing / B&B are one and the same.
Boxer clutch pacs are only sold as complete balanced sets. Not including the T/O Bearing, which would be a judgement call based on condition & age.
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Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 63
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 7:34 pm: | |
BTW-I tried Ferrari UK website, but couldn't get a price. I guess I will have to stay up late and call them. |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 62
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 7:32 pm: | |
Thanks Dave, I will do that. I just got the clutch out today, and haven't had a chance to check out. I have a couple of quotes:
TRutlands=$1,875 for clutch package is cheapest so far. My car only has 7500 miles on it, and it just doesn't look like anything has any wear on it but the plate. The labor was actually not bad as I did it myself (about 2-3 hours to tear down). |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1386
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 6:58 pm: | |
Jim,
Conventional wisdom is to replace the clutch as a set to include the pp and to bearing; I would see no reason to go against this, considering the labor involved.
If the dealer prices concern you, why not check with our sponsors. Ferrari Parts Exchange and Ferrari UK prices may surprise you! |
Jim Avery (Boxer12)
Junior Member
Username: Boxer12
Post Number: 57
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 6:50 pm: | |
I have been looking for a replacement clutch, since F-dealer prices seem rediculous. I have been told that F-dealers sell AP, and the clutch is sold with price fixed by Ferrari. I pulled my clutch, and it is a Borg & Becker, part #53B23, 9.5", six spring. Is this an aftermarket part that might be acquired at a more reasonable price?
Also, if the pressure plate has no visible signs of wear, should I replace it anyway?? What about the throw-out bearing ($250)
Any information would be appreciated. |