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Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Member
Username: Trinacria
Post Number: 400
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 5:21 pm: | |
JRV
Your missing a number in the phone number you posted.
"I only install the newest version 4V clutchs to insure the least amount of peddle pressure required.
AW Import Parts -- Frank
800-31-5589 "
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Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 8:28 pm: | |
Any suggestions to Jonathan for a flywheel source & price savings?
Ferrari.UKs web site:
108248 Description: FLYWHEEL(AUST/USA/J SPEC) �1,098.25 (GBP) - About $1754!!!
BTW, why is the flywheel for an '82 Euro QV 'only'(cringe) �875(GBP)/$1409 (USD)
Does T.Rutlands, or any others supply a resurfaced used flywheel that they stand behind? |
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member
Username: Enjoythemusic
Post Number: 630
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 6:44 pm: | |
...and this brings it all back to the fact that Ferrari did not make EVERY part of EVERY car. So called "aftermarket" parts may actually be EXACT OEM without the usual markup. In fact many aftermarket parts are BETTER than original OEM parts for those of us with 308/328 and older vehicles.
Alas, you don't get that $200 yellow box with horsies on it.
Enjoy the Music,
Steven R. Rochlin
PS: prefer dealing with Ferrari UK for OEM parts to avoid the usual FNA retirement donation.
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Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1619
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 6:14 pm: | |
Oh, BTW, I showed the 'cheapo' $350 clutch that I bought to my mechanic. He refused to believe that you could buy the real thing for that money. After inspecting it, he said that it sure looked like the real OEM AP Borg & Beck clutch to him, including all the markings, etc. And it's clearly new, not rebuilt. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1618
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 6:06 pm: | |
Uh, this is crap. The "aftermarket" clutches being sold are the OEM clutches. ie - Valeo and B&B supply Ferrari. I've heard that B&B (aka AP B&B) was original to most of the 308 series, where Valeo was original to most of the other cars. I think it also depended somewhat on model year. Not sure of the exact details on this. But either way, you're getting the real deal.
Perhaps they thought you meant rebuilt? I would be wary of those myself. |
Jonathan (Birdman)
Junior Member
Username: Birdman
Post Number: 102
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 4:48 pm: | |
I have a related question for you guys. I was considering putting in one of these aftermarket clutches myself. After an executive order from my wife not to do it because of our newborn baby demanding too much time, I got an estimate from our local Ferrari mechanic place (Boston Sports Car Company in MA). They say that they won't install anything but real Ferrari clutches because the aftermarket ones are no good. (Something about warping).
This sounds like typical Ferrari dealer hype, but they are not a Ferrari dealer, and work on Porsches and Lamborghinis as well as Ferraris. Thoughts?
They also said that the timing marks on my flywheel were ground off by a previous clutch replacement and I need a new flywheel !! (OUCH!)
Jonathan
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Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1610
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 7:03 pm: | |
LOL, Dave. Yeah, you 328 guys are a little 'frilly'.
Hans. (Gotta leave now; I'm going to beat on my hairy chest and practice a few Tarzan yells.) |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1436
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 6:23 pm: | |
Hans,
I had a 78 308 GTS (as you recall) and it had the original "manly" clutch. I have to admit that I prefer the lighter "hairdresser" 328 clutch geometry. :-) |
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member
Username: Yelcab1
Post Number: 613
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 6:07 pm: | |
I have the GT4 clutch and it is heavy, more so than a 328. Lately, I have gotten used to it so it does not bother me so much anymore. But, I ain't getting younger and just one day, I can tell that I am going to wish for a lighter clutch. |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1609
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 4:28 pm: | |
I don't understand discussions of pedal effort. My B&B is perfect. (It also has NOT had the "low pedal effort" factory bulletin performed on it.) I *hate* those namby-pamby girlie clutches in modern cars. The F-clutch has the best feel of anything. I can tell exactly what it is doing. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member
Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 784
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 4:11 pm: | |
I think it is the pressure plate that makes the difference in the pedal stiffness. |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 208
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:13 pm: | |
Dave,
The one I was suppose to receive was a Valeo but he sent me a B&B. When I called him about this, he said they are the same clutch with different names stamped on them. He said they were made by one company. Dont know if thats true or not. |
Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Member
Username: Ferrari_uk
Post Number: 464
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 8:20 am: | |
If this helps...
Our clutch prices are as follows:
Disc #110558 $187
Plate #121562 $186
Bearing #100849 $66 |
John Wise (Jwise)
New member
Username: Jwise
Post Number: 47
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 7:32 am: | |
George Evans said there is no difference, has used both, with no complaints.
JRV- so the clutches you buy are different in pedal feel to the ones I mentioned. How can I tell the difference between the harder and softer clutches? I do not want a stiffer clutch- that's for sure. Also- I think you missed a digit in the phone number to AW imports. I would like to talk with them.
Mike C.- did you buy a clutch from them, or other parts? If clutch, was there increased pedal effort?
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dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1429
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 2:13 am: | |
James,
Which one did you get, since George carries both the Valeo and B&B?
I believe the B&B is factory original, while the Valeo is the aftermarket oem equivalent. |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 207
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:27 am: | |
I would go with JRV's recomendation. I purchased a clutch set from George and he told me his was the ones everyone uses but the pedal pressure was very hard. If I had to do it over again, I would spend whatever it cost extra for the lighter clutch pedal pressure. |
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member
Username: Mcharness
Post Number: 798
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 5:45 pm: | |
I've bought from Joe and Elena ("melianiaone") multiple times on eBay and have had good service from them. |
dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member
Username: Davehanda
Post Number: 1412
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 1:35 pm: | |
John,
What does George Evan say? I would be curious to his opinion... |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2096
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 11:06 am: | |
I only install the newest version 4V clutchs to insure the least amount of peddle pressure required.
AW Import Parts -- Frank
800-31-5589
The BEST service. |
John Wise (Jwise)
New member
Username: Jwise
Post Number: 46
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 10:23 am: | |
I have a 308 QV that needs a clutch. I'm going to do it myself and have started looking for the parts.
Is there a difference in the Valeo and B&B clutch packages? There is a $50 difference from G. Evans.
Valeo- 350
B&B- 400
I've read the archives and found a few people who thought the clutch was heavier after using the Valeo. Any other input?
There is also a B&B clutch kit on Ebay right now from a seller named Melaniaone for $325. That sounds like a good deal, but I know many of you have bought them from George Evans and been very happy with the parts. |