| Author | Message | ||
| Peter Barbin (Sophia)
New member Username: Sophia Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2003 |
I just replaced my solenoid via a starter motor removal... 1. DQ electrics from starter, move down & out of way. 2. If Bosch, remove the tail-plate off the end of the starter. 3. Remove starter bolts from the bell-housing. 4. Lay starter down gently into header pipe cradle. 5. Support engine, remove LF motor mount. 6. If stock heat-wrap in place, the following apply: Stand the starter up in the 'header-cradle' swapping ends so the nose of the starter is toward the alt. 7. It will now come out with some carefull manuevering. Dennis McCann has a number of affordable BOSCH starters in house, with various rebuild grades...Frank @ AW Imports in NJ has an excellent rebuilder for the Marelli starters. Lee, don't feel bad. I stared at the situation under my 308 for over an hour before rationalizing the motor-mount removal. Thank god I didn't go the header pipe removal route, it would have been alot more work! | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2003 |
UPDATE: My cousin helped me put the starter back in tonight. We got it wired up. I hooked the battery back up, and WHAM...the starter turned that engine like nobody's business! I let it run for a few minutes (been sitting for 3 weeks), then hit it again...BAM! Started right up! It's NEVER started this smoothly, never since I've owned it. Crossing my fingers for the first trip out tomorrow!! Gotta get the wheels back on first... | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 194 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thanks, Phil! I will definitely try that for the next "rebuild". As it is, the starter is already in the shop though I haven't heard whether they can rebuild it yet. I hope I don't end up sending it off. Thanks. I just can't wait to get back on the road, with a car I can actually put gas in and get it back on the road. | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
New member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2003 |
footnote to this topic....if you've got the dough, just get a 328 one. It's infinitely more reliable, smoother, faster and about half the size and weight. (It's epicyclic inside) It also bolts straight on with only minimal fiddling. It's also standard supply for new replacement orders for 308 anyway. | ||
| John_Miles (John_miles)
Junior Member Username: John_miles Post Number: 95 Registered: 7-2001 |
Great info, Lee, thanks! I may take you up on the email offer if I decide to tackle this myself. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 189 Registered: 1-2003 |
John: The solenoid is attached to the starter; it's a cylinder slightly smaller than a beer can actually bolted on to the side of the starter, which itself is a cylinder about the size of a round oatmeal canister. They come out together easily once the motor mount is removed (on my '78, anyway...they're all a little different). BTW, the motor mount was tricky...four nuts connect it to the engine; the top two are very tricky to get to. Fortunately mine were all covered with grimy oil, so they broke free easily! Feel free to email me directly: [email protected] | ||
| John_Miles (John_miles)
Junior Member Username: John_miles Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2001 |
Lee, did that give you access to the solenoid assembly, too (the part that engages the ring gear)? I've been having trouble lately with the starter on my '76 just spinning without engaging the ring gear, and am about to tear into it using the advice given to you. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 188 Registered: 1-2003 |
SUCCESS! After all of the discussion (thanks everyone), my cousin came over who's more clever with a wrench than I am, and he saw immediately that if the motor mount was removed the starter would fall right out past the bell housing and front header. 45 minutes later I had it wrapped in a towel in my truck ready to take it to get rebuilt. (SIDE NOTE  I dropped it off today and gave the old "it's from an Alfa..." line to avoid the "Ferrari" tax, and the damned guy knew I was lying! He knew his starters....he said "well, that's a Marelli. As far as I know they never used Marelli starters in Alfas. Some twin-cam Fiats, but no Alfas..." to which I said "uhhh...someone must have installed the wrong starter then....in any case, please rebuild it, thanks.." I'm a terrible liar. | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
New member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2003 |
Nope, the starter will come out the bell housing side, not the alternator side. Leave your dipstick etc well alone! The water pipe down the side of the bell housing has a clamp near the oil filter on the inlet manifold nuts. You may need to remove the clamp to allow some angularity of the pipe, but the pipe can stay on. Keep going, you'll get it out, just grunt louder! | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 186 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thanks again Verell. Now, is the alternator on the passenger side front of the engine? 'Cause at this point I was considering dis-assembling the bell housing or calling a tow truck. Thanks again, all. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Intermediate Member Username: Verell Post Number: 1026 Registered: 5-2001 |
Looks like if you remove the alternator & dipstick tube, the starter will come across & out of the space where the alternator was. May need to remove the small heatshield that's under the alternator and front edge of the sump. The starter's smaller diameter than the alternator, so it ought to slide across & out fairly easily. | ||
| myles kleinfelter (Gonzo350)
New member Username: Gonzo350 Post Number: 50 Registered: 8-2002 |
I did this on a Euro car...I removed the heat shield (which is a task in itself!) and once i got that out of the was able to get the starter out Headers and bell housing still in place. It is a fair amount of work and a little bit of force is required....but it is possible...I've done it. (twice!) | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 694 Registered: 4-2002 |
Its actually pretty straighforward...... normal Ferrari 308 maintenance. Step 1: disassemble car. Step 2: remove starter from engine which is now on a stand. Actually.... I believe you will need to remove the front bank exhaust headers. In order to accomplish that... you must remove the air injection manifolds (if your car has this). You will also probably need to remove the Alternator, fuel heat shields and possibly the aluminum water pipe from the water pump. | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
New member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'm not sure on a US spec car, but on a UK spec with bolt on heat shields, you can get the motor out by pushing the clutch down to swivel the helper assembly out the way and with a wriggle around the water pipe it'll come out. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2003 |
OK, I've got the starter physically removed from the bell housing, and the wiring disconnected, so it is completely free, but I absolutely cannot find a way to work it out from that labrynth under there. Do I need to remove something else? I'm trying to maneuver it through what seems to be the largest opening from its home, between the exhaust manifold shield and some sort of linkage (clutch?). Should I remove that linkage? I can't think of anything else to remove. HELP! | ||
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