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Bill Steele (Glassman)
Member Username: Glassman
Post Number: 340 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 9:46 pm: | |
Pierce can rebuild anything that you can throw at them. It just might cost you a bit. If you need rebuild they are the people to talk to. They basically built me a carb for 800.00 and threw in the rebuild on two more. |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6253 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
quote:where is the raw gas coming from in those 3 cylinders?
I don't know yet. I'll let you know when I get home. |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2122 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:45 am: | |
>>I have narrowed it down to cyl 4,6, and 10<< where is the raw gas coming from in those 3 cylinders?
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"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6252 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:30 am: | |
? LOL! You lost me....You really need to open a shop out here. I have narrowed it down to cyl 4,6, and 10. Bill, the carbs on my car are from a typo 211 engine. Will Pierce...or anyone for that matter be able to get parts to rebuild them?
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JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2121 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:26 am: | |
Sometimes the problems can be solved with the carbs still on the engine by partial disassembly and cleaning, readjusting the floats etc. you need to isolate what the problem/s are (ie: which circuits) before knowing how to solve them. For example: if the needles & sea ts are old & leaking causing chamber spillover the fix is just a matter of new seats. If the problem is incorrect float height a simple reset is all needed, etc. Point is without knowing "why" the certian throats are dumping raw gas it's not possible to know what the fix is. You can run some tests to help isolate the problems with the AC off, FP on, engine not running. Just pressure up the carbs and see what they do. There should be no evidence of raw gas dripping or pouring into the throats. You can also check the Acc. Pumps Circuits this way by looking at all the injection nozzles & Acc. pump quantities per barrel. |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6251 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:55 am: | |
quote:>>There is gas in a couple of the throats.<< No Bueno, senior.
Eye Cumberia! It's running on all 12 but the plugs foul fast. Carb rebuilt needed? |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2120 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:12 am: | |
>>There is gas in a couple of the throats.<< No Bueno, senior. |
Malcolm West (Ferrari_uk_tech)
New member Username: Ferrari_uk_tech
Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:11 am: | |
Seems strange that it was running okay for a couple of months, this would eliminate jetting and possibly float levels - I would check the syncronising of the carbs, also check the accelerator pump jets for weeping fuel. Is the engine firing on all cylinders, a wet spark would result in high HC levels? |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6243 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 8:35 am: | |
JRV, There is gas in a couple of the throats. Also some of the linkages seem to get hung up. I think it might be more prudent to have them rebuilt. What's wierd is that it was running fine for a couple of months. M |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2115 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 8:53 pm: | |
Matt, Color Tunes will tell the mixture even off of idle in the same way they show idle mixture. Off idle rich could be float levels set to high, flooding, wrong jetting, chokes stuck on, Acc Pump Circuits Check Balls stuck, etc. With AC off look into the throats for signs of raw gas. HTH's |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6241 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 8:48 pm: | |
Hey Todd, Long story but I owe you a trip back down to SD. Maybe the 18th? JRV and Bill, You know the history of the engine not being a standard 250 GT PF. It idle's fine but runs very rich. I am sure the HC/CO are off the charts. JRV, I printed it out. It will take a few days to get it sorted out. I'll keep you posted. Thanks |
JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall
Post Number: 2114 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 8:42 pm: | |
>>Is there a trick to sync 6 carbs? << Go to you know where { } and follow the Daytona Carb Adjusting procedure in the permanent Tech Archives. If it's outside plug you'll need a little mirror. |
Bill Steele (Glassman)
Member Username: Glassman
Post Number: 337 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:38 pm: | |
My brain is starting to work now. Check and make sure that all your carbs are 36 or 42 DCL's. I think thats what should be on the car anyway. My car ran fine at sea level, but when I got it home it was so rich that I thought it was going to kill me. Thats when I found the lone 42 DCL-6 hidden at the middle of the carbs. It was a bear finding a replacement, and I had to have it sleaved to match the others. Does your car idle Ok? |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 1629 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
It's sort of like trying to drink every can in a 1/2 case of beer all at the same time. |
Bill Steele (Glassman)
Member Username: Glassman
Post Number: 335 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
Yes, there is a trick alright. Send them to Pierce Manifold first. Then expect some serious time with your car. Six is going to be way harder than three, and three took me a long time! Good luck. |
todd montandon (Sllade)
Junior Member Username: Sllade
Post Number: 199 Registered: 7-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:23 pm: | |
matt whats up buddy long time no hear.Todd |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don
Post Number: 6240 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:18 pm: | |
My car is running rich but I cannot tell which side so I am going to resynch the whole lot. Is there a trick to sync 6 carbs? I have done the 4 on the 308 but the 250 looks like it's more involved. I have a case (really...a case) of the colortune plugs. Any advice?.....Bill?.....JRV?... |