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Leo Martinez (85frii)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 10:03 pm: | |
Rick, Sorry it took so long for me to answer. To my knowledge there isn't any written procedures. I can put together an outline of what it took for me to do this and send it to you (email or slow mail). |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 6:51 pm: | |
How long should it take to drop the tanks ... and is there any instructions anywhere?
Rick |
Leo Martinez (85frii)
| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 2:36 am: | |
Rick, Your last statement on jacking the car up on one side and fuel flowing out on the passenger side, reminded me that this is pretty close to what happened to me. Instead of a jack, it was a steep inclined street leaning more to the passenger side. Lo and behold there was fuel dripping from the passenger "underside pan". Sorry to give you the bad news, but it looks like it is the tank. You should check the other tank too, since all the hoses are disconnected and everything is drained. If you need any other info contact me. |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 10:34 pm: | |
Rick, I hate to say it but it looks more and more like Leos' experience with the split tank on his 85 mondial is very similar to yours. Could have been a production defect in those tanks that year. |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 6:00 pm: | |
Here is what I found out today ... not much.
I removed the metal pan, jack up the car and nothing ... no leak. I jack up the drivers side, and wow, a steady stream of gas came from the passengerside tank. I tried to see were it was coming from ... but that was impossible. The gas is coming from the top of the tank and running down the side betwwen the front of the car a the tank ... There is only a 1" gap there so it really is hard to see what is going on up there.
I also took the passenger side wheel off and looked for hoses. only found one and it appeared to be ok. I guess the euro model do not have all those extra hoses shown in the manual. Boy I wish I could just pick up the seat and give the top of the tank a look. |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:47 pm: | |
Rick, Now we find out the leak is coming from the passengers side. You should be more specific. Or maybe we should ask. So remove the shield, jack up the car and with a flashlight and not a droplight,and see where the leaks is. |
Gerrit Visser (Gerritv)
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 7:35 pm: | |
On US 308's there is a plethora of hoses on the RH tank to deal with fuel vapour recovery. On those cars the hoses are partly obscured.
Look at a Mondial parts manual, locate ALL the hoses and then check the area surrounding each where is connects to the tanks. On my 308 GT4 there was a constant smell of fuel, heavier when just filled. After replacing ALL of the fuel hoses, there were no more problems. They all had something wrong, either wrong size (non-metric) or rock hard.
A bit of time diagnosing will save time in unnecessary disassembly. |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 7:01 pm: | |
Well guys ... I think Im in trouble on this one. I took the fill hoses off and did not see a problem. I inspect all the lines I could see and tightened them. I then put 9 gallons in the tank. It did not leak until I tried jacking up one side of the car (drivers). After about a 8" of lifting I saw a steady stream of gas coming out of the passengers side. I did not have the lower pan removed so I did not see where the leak came from, but it must be on top of th tank somewhere. It looks like I'm gonna have to start pulling things out! Darn it!
Rick |
Leo Martinez (85frii)
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 - 11:36 pm: | |
If you checked the tank hoses and looks well, it could be a cracked gas tank seam. I had a crack along the upper part of the passenger gas tank seam on my 85 Mondial QV. Unfortunately, Its not very easy to see and diagnose. It did take some time to fix it, and some work to get the tank out (drain gas tank and cooling system,remove all cooling hoses and gas tank hoses, drop tank and have a radiator shop repair it) and put back into the car (10-14 days nights/weekends). Tank hasn't leaked since (2+ yrs). |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 6:55 pm: | |
Bret, If they keep loosening I would use the teflon tape as you suggested and be done with it. |
david handa (Davehanda)
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 1:17 pm: | |
Yup, do check the hose from the filler neck to the tank. That short 6 inch piece of hose was all cracked and rotted on my 78 308 GTS. My mechanic caught it during a recent major service BEFORE it actually began leaking. Wanna see what happens when it does leak? Go to www.tomyang.com and look under "Ferrari Stories" You'll find one on a 308 Car-B-Que that was from just this problem. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 11:04 am: | |
My fuel pump has a tendency of leaking, actually I think at first it was the fuel pump connection and then it was the accumulator connection (I tightened it up as I was leaving to go out on Saturday so I wasn't paying much attention as to which one it was other than it was the leaking one, just trying to get it done fast. I'm thinking that maybe some teflon tape around the threads might seal it better? Anyone got any ideas. It seems to leak I guess after it vibrates enough loose, but when I tighten it the bolt doesnt really move, just stops it from leaking. Each one has only started to leak once and then I just retorqued it. Could it be that it just needed to be tightened since I replaced the accumulator a couple months ago and it finally set? |
Peter Connolly (Mondial_32_Aus)
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 2:01 am: | |
I have a Mondial QV Workshop manual online (15Mb PDF!) at http://fly.to/mondial
PC |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:19 pm: | |
Rick, Can't you tell where your filler neck goes into your tank? You might have to remove the inner fender panel to get to it. I am really not sure on the Mondial but there has to be a way to access it. |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 6:00 pm: | |
yes it is a 85 mondial. I looked under the hood today, but the tanks are to far to do anything with. Please post the info, or just email them to me ... I'll plan t do it next weekend. I am stuck at this point, but the gas leak is making not want to start the car. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 12:25 am: | |
Yes Magoo, that was David Handa, it was one of his friends. I had this problem as well, except it was a small hose from the tank to the vapour separator. I was lucky in that it was away from hot bits and I could see it dripping.
Rick, is this an '85 Mondial? I recently purchased a FNA introductory technical manual on the '82 Mondial, I can scan the fuel line page and post it here. It'll give you an idea of the hoses to look for and where they're located. |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 9:43 pm: | |
Rick, Check all of the hoses where they connect at the tank filler neck and also all other tank connections. If it only does it when full or when you bank the car toward the filler side then more than likely the leak is at the top of the filler neck area. There was a thread on here not to long ago where someone found a leaking,split, hose at the filler neck. |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 8:09 pm: | |
I took the bottom metal cover of the car and peeked in from under the car ... not much help. I know the leak is from above. Magoo, you believe I can see the cross over pipe from the engine comparment? Is the cross over on top of the tanks?
thanks
Rick |
magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 10:37 pm: | |
Check the crossover hose where it leaves the neck of the tank on the drivers side. Check it from under the engine cover. Be sure because you have a hot header in that area underneath that hose and just a drop or two, well God forbid. |
rick kestner (Ferrar1)
| | Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 8:57 pm: | |
My 1985 seems to be leaking gas when I fill it all the way, or when I turn sharp. I can actual see the gas dripping out when I filled it up last time. What does this mean?? Is it easy to repair?? Any places I should look for instructions>
Rick |