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Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 9:40 am: | |
Thanks for more input, it's much appreciated and very helpful.
I will definitely track down the glass type fuses and replace them all for starters; and order a new hazard switch as well, and then see how things go after that. Hopefully this will do the trick, otherwise it looks like this could get a little more involved. At least the signals are operating for the time being, but that could change at any minute :-)
Didn't have a chance last night to check out the side lamp problem, but will soon.
By the way, Stu -- I love the "blue" color of your 308! |
Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 6:03 am: | |
Don't blame the wiring, every problem that I have had with turn sigs has been through the hazard switch. That is why they sometimes work and sometimes not, if they quit just operate the hazard switch to make contact again, obviously the switch should be replaced, beware, there are two different types. |
david handa (Davehanda)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 8:04 pm: | |
Eric,
The fuse panels are expensive. I would start with the recommendation given earlier of replacing all the fuses with the newer glass type from Buse, and cleaning all the contacts. I did this on my car as a preventive measure. No problems before, and still no problems.
I'll count myself lucky; as I have had no electrically gremlins with my car (knock on wood!).
Dave
78 308 GTS |
stu cordova (Balataboy)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 4:25 pm: | |
Eric, I have the same '85 QV and I ended up repalcing all fuses and relays (not an inexpensive chore) and I still have a "clicking" relay that I can't figure out. I've heard that replacing the relay board itself is a good move and will consider that maybe this winter. I have a few other small gremlins but I've just kind of learned to live with them. Good luck!! |
Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 8:46 am: | |
Just an update...
Did a little more exploring last night, swapped fuses around, unplugged relays, shook relays, checked contacts, etc.; however, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. The other circuit that I swapped with what I suspected to be a "bad" fuse actually worked. So it appears that the problem will be rather tricky to isolate.
After doing all the above, the turn signals started operating again! I did have to give the front right side driving lamp lens another tap before it lit up as well. Thanks Donny for sharing your experiences with the driving lamps -- I'll take a look at the entire lamb assembly this evening.
It appears as though a fresh R&R is in order with regards to the fuse panels, fuses, etc. -- perhaps I should simply replace all of them?
Thanks again. |
Donny Bridges (Wildcatfans)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 8:12 pm: | |
As far as tapping the lamp and it working, I had a similar problem. I pulled the assembly out of the bumper to inspect, then pulled back the rubber boot from where the wire goes into the socket. The braided ground wire is compressed to the socket using force applies by the plastic light housing. Mine was slightly cracked and also the ground wire was corroded. I tried scrapping it to make better contact but the entire plastic piece broke. To fix I removed the socket, drilled a small hole and put in a small screw. The wire could then be tightened properly to the socket. No more problems. I'll do the other assembly when I have some time. I figure if one breaks the other is soon to follow. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 6:22 pm: | |
Yeah it's funny how that works. Sometimes something will be busting your balls, you'll spend like 2 hours trying to get it to work when you just call it quits for the day. Then you go out the next day and get it right in 15 minutes. Good Luck with the electrical stuff. It's all pretty straight forward, just time consuming and at times leaves you wondering about the Italians. |
Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 3:00 pm: | |
You're right on, Frank! I've read stories about electrical gremlins in the 308's in particular, but never thought I'd experience them first hand.
Thanks for the input thus far -- I'll check all these items out tonight, and update you all tomorrow.
Bret...that was a simple but brilliant recomendation to simply swap fuses around...why didn't I think of that...sometimes it's the obvious things that slip passed us, right?
Keep you posted,
Eric Eiland |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 2:45 pm: | |
Welcome to the world of Italian electrical systems. |
BretM (Bretm)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 2:05 pm: | |
I wouldn't suspect the relay itself initially (unless you hear it is loose inside or can hear a piece clicking around in there if you shake it). They are fairly stout pieces and should really last the life of the car, or at least quite a long time at that. I would check fuses, contacts, things like that. I can't remember if this relay is a common one that is used in another part (probably is), just pull it and put in one you know is good from another part of the car, swap them to check. |
Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 12:01 pm: | |
Scores of articles on 308 electrical problems...had similar problem on my '82 GTSi, except I also lost windows and fuel pump along with turn signals, had to pull out and jumper f/p relay to get home (also had a relay that would click intermittantly). My problem turned out to be ceramic fuse #1 which feeds relay coils has crack in the ceranmic althought the metal fusable material was intact. I update fuses to glass, took a small Dremel tool with brass wire brush and cleaned ALL fuse connections, relays and wire feeds to realy and fuse block. Simple but very effective cure, and relay clicking went away also!
You may want to do the contact cleanup on your bulb sockets also since tapping this area created a temp fix! |
Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 11:56 am: | |
Simple thing first, get a new relay and fuse. The relay especially could simply be bad , getting hot and sticking "open" or "closed". |
Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 11:31 am: | |
Hello Everyone,
Finally get the opportunity to ask my first "technical" question. Here goes...
I noticed that the turn signals were not operating upon arriving home the day I purchased my '85 308 QV. After studying the wiring diagrams, owners manual, etc., I decided to try and fix the problem myself. Apparently, the turn signal circuit shares the same fuse as the windshield wipers?? After jiggling the fuse and pinching the contacts, I heard a "bzzzzzt" noise. Next, I checked the hazard lights - they work fine. The windshield wipers operate correctly also. Finally, I pulled related relay / flasher from its socket and reinserted same.
Turned the key, and flipped the signal lever. Presto -- the turn signal lights were now blinking (except for one -- tapped the lens and it began blinking also). So I figured problem solved.
Well, decided to show the F-car at a local event a couple of weeks later. Afterwards, I cranked her up to drive home, and noticed that I had no interior guage lights! A couple of miles down the road the guage lights began to faintly glow; and, by the time I arrived to the entrance of our neighborhood, they were glowing at full ambience. HOWEVER, when signaling to turn, the turn signals were no longer operating again (which did not make the gawkers who were tailgating me at time very happy)!
A couple of weeks have since past, and I still can't get them working. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Eric Eiland |
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