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| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2001 |
Robert: Great job on your engine detailing -- I especially like the Prancing horse insert on the oil filler cap -- how did you do that? Donny: Glad to hear your going to re-do your plenum, etc. It's not that big an undertaking - just time consuming. As far as parts go, I decided to post a couple of pics to help illustrate the parts / gaskets, numbers, and how it all goes together: Here is TAV 12...  Referring to TAV 12 (above): The only part that I ordered from this diagram was #76 - Ferrari Part No. 115005 - Qty. 1 - Gasket. And here is TAV 13...  The gaskets that I ordered from TAV 13 depicted above were: #21 - Part No. 115038 - Qty. 1 - Gasket # 5 - Part No. 114983 - Qty. 4 - Gasket(s) Since I also repainted the airbox, I also purchased: #26 - Part No. 114019 - Qty. 1 - Sleeve (rubber) #27 - Part No. 10300190 - Qty. 1 - Clamp - Part No. 10301890 - Qty. 1 - Clamp ItalianCarParts sells the rubber sleeve and both clamps on their website if you can't locate them through the dealer or other sources. IMPORTANT NOTE: Refering to TAV 13, please pay particular attention to #6 (Part No. 114984, Qty. 8, Spacers) -- there are 8 of these little round spacers / washers on the base of the plenum (they fit into each hole on the plenum gaskets and slide over each stud on the plenum base). When lifting the plenum off of the intake, these spacers tend to fall off, and could fall into the intake chambers if you're not careful!! Additionally, the nuts on the underside of the plenum facing the forward bank of the engine are a pain to unbolt -- you have to feel for them, and then (using an open end wrench) back them off in small incremental turns - this is compounded by the fact that all those loopy fuel metering lines are in the way. With patience, it can be done (it's easier going back on, though). I ended up covering my fenders with a soft quilt, and then laid across the top of the engine bay (hugging the plenum) to reach the forward bank nuts. As far as stripping / painting the plenum goes -- I found that using ordinary paint stripper solvent from ACE worked just fine (coat it good and heavy and wait about 10 minutes). Finally, finish it off with a good cleaning solvent before repainting. I didn't remove all the metal fittings that were attached to the plenum (just all the hoses, etc. to necessitate removal). The throttle body (#20 - TAV 13) was removed as well and repainted. I disconnected the throttle cable by simply backing off the nut that attaches the cable to the spring-loaded throttle lever. After stripping the paint, you might want to give the "insides" of the plenum and throttle body a good cleaning with carb. cleaner, and shine up all the brass looking parts with a soft detail brush (or toothbrush). I masked off all the attached throttle lever, air screw, plenum nipples, studs, port openings, etc. with ordinary masking tape before repainting. There's another thread on the chat group where I outlined how I scraped all the paint off the lettering, etc. on the plenum -- intake plenum. I used so many different brands / types of cleaners when detailing the engine bay that I lost track as to what was used where; however, I found that Simple Green (for cleaning the black areas) and Mother's Back to Black (for polishing the black areas) worked the best. Semigloss heat temp paint (or underhood black paint) can be used to touch up black areas (use newspaper to cover areas you don't want painted  ). I also used a very fine grade of steel wool to clean / polish the metal along the forward bulkhead (between engine and cockpit). Sorry to be so lengthy...hope this helps! | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
New member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2002 |
Hey, Painting my air box and valve covers was easier than posting this ! :-0  | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
New member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2002 |
I am sorry i am new to this but here is what it looked like when finished. | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
New member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2002 |
I had real good luck with Eastwood wrinkle paint. It took a long time to dry completly and only comes in black but the wrinkles came out perfect. | ||
| Donny Bridges (Wildcatfans)
New member Username: Wildcatfans Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2001 |
I will be taking my intake plenum off soon to repaint as described in these posts. Are their any parts (gaskets, etc.) that I need to order to avoid delays. Also are their any precautions I should take while preping or painting? Think I'll try the wrinkle paint then high temp red on top. Engine looks great Eric. How'd you get the black in the engine bay so clean? | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2001 |
Kenneth & Jeremy: Sorry for the delay (was out of town) -- just e-mailed the files to you both -- enjoy! | ||
| Jeremy Lawrence (F512m)
New member Username: F512m Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2002 |
Eric, I would like to have that file also. Please send to [email protected]. Awesome looking engine!!!!! Jeremy | ||
| Kenneth Brealey (Krbrealey)
New member Username: Krbrealey Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2001 |
Eric, Would you please send me the .eps file. I've been putting off "re-conditioning" the engine compartment due the prices I've seen for replacement parts. Your solution looks great, and won't leave me too poor to drive the car when I'm done. Thanks [email protected] | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1565 Registered: 12-2000 |
That's what I did with my air-box. The wrinkle finish was fine, but the colour had faded to a flat grey. I sprayed hi-temp gloss black paint OVER the old wrinkle finish and now it looks brand new. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2001 |
Just to add to Verell's comments... I initially began the repainting process on the intake plenum (pictured below) with the red wrinkle paint from I.C.P.; however, after several coats, I test mounted it in the engine compartment and found that the red was simply way too dark in color (for my taste) in comparison to the other "reds" in the engine bay (i.e., plug wires, etc.). Ended up using a high temp engine enamel from Pep Boys simply called Plasti-Kote Universal Red No. 209. I was extremely pleased with the color and results -- and a little bit of the wrinkle finish showed through from the first spray. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member Username: Verell Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2001 |
WRINKLE PAINT REPAIRS?? ----------------------- My airbox cover was in great shape when I got my car. Unfortunately, when the service was done, it wasn't seated all the way down on the FI air intake. The result was that the mesh on the cover rubbed the paint off of the rear edge of the box in 3-4 places before I figured out what was happening. A mechanic at FoNE suggested just feather sanding the worn spots, then masking off the rest of the box & respraying the feathered area with wrinkle paint. (BTW, ICP sells both black & red wrinkle paint. Eastwood also has black.) Has anyone tried this with wrinkle paint? HOW TO GET HEAVY WRINKLES ------------------------- RE: Eric Eiland's post: "I just had my airbox swapped by ICP. .... the box does NOT have the heavy wrinkle finish like the factory box did When using wrinkle paint, the more coats, the slower the cure, the heavier the wrinkles. I painted one of my valve covers wrinkle black & it came out beautifully wrinkled. | ||
| Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
Junior Member Username: Dbr328gtb Post Number: 77 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just had my front hood repaired (the usual crease at the strut on 328s) by David Carte at Classic and Sport- see this month's Forza, he does the restorations for Marriott. He also had a template made for the airbox logo and used it to paint the logo on my airbox. He says it looks good. He is giving me all 3 copies of the template made so I can do it again if it wears off. I pick the car up on Sat. If anyone is interested in borrowing a template let me know. | ||
| Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
New member Username: Ytoda928 Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2001 |
Eric, I have just received the file. Thanks!! I hope I can do mine and make it close to what yours looks like. Wish me a luck! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2001 |
Thanks for the kind words, Rob. Like you, I only have the opportunity to show the 308 once a month at the local gathering (mostly classic & muscle cars). Only exotics to speak of are mine and a friend's 360. As far as the intake plenum restore goes -- here's a link to a lengthy discussion about the subject, with tips and suggestions: intake plenum I posted some details in that discussion as well about how difficult, what type/color paint used, etc. in that thread. I will say this - the hardest part is unbolting / bolting the intake plenum - those nuts are a pain to get at on the front bank! Oh, and be especially careful about those little spacers at each plenum bolt when removing the plenum from the intake -- they can fall off (and into the intakes) if you're not careful!! Best of luck with your engine...keep us posted. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1120 Registered: 12-2000 |
Eric, you're my hero, I'm shooting for an engine that looks 50% as good as what you and Peter were able to do. I'm just starting with the air box exchange, re-paint intake, and then clean everything I can reach. I do about 1 car show a month, so I really want to represent Ferrari well to the muscle car crowd. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2001 |
Thanks Peter and Yoshi for the compliments! It did take quite a bit of elbow work, knuckle busting, cleaning, painting, etc. -- and it took a few weeks (spare time) -- but it sure was an enjoyable learning experience! Apparently, the original owner was not as big of a "clean freak" as I Yoshi: The file should be in your e-mail. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2001 |
Oh, forgot to mention that the "in-house" turnaround time is typically 48 hours (using yours as a core exchange). ItalCarParts recommends that you insure your air box top for $700 when shipping, in case the unfortunate happens and it gets lost during transit. It is very important that you talk to ItalCarParts first, because they have specific info. to give you regarding the whole process (including where to ship). For what it's worth, T.Rutlands had one new air box unit (you have to buy the whole assembly - top & bottom, etc.) in stock -- but you don't want to know the price (or at least be sitting down when they tell you)  | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hello Rob... In addition to some of the comments posted in this thread, here are a couple of others that I received regarding the air box resto. by ItalCarParts: "I had mine done there...good work...check to make sure of the exact wording on the box...some had minor differences based on the year and you want to make sure you get exactly what you sent in to them." "I just had my airbox swapped by ICP. Quality VERY GOOD. However, the box does NOT have the heavy wrinkle finish like the factory box did. Its more of a heavy splatter finish. My car is not entered into shows so I did not complain about the finish. I happen to like the look but my mechanic noticed the difference in texture finish immediately. Silk screen is XLNT quality. I cannot comment on durability as my engine bay detail and refresh was just completed. I know Charles and have found his customer service is extremely good and he is very concerned about customer satisfaction!" Personally, I chose to refinish it myself which included reproducing just the Ferrari logo (as shown in the pics below). Concours events might be another story, though (or just accept the point deductions). | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1119 Registered: 12-2000 |
Has anyone sent their airbox to ItalianCarParts.com? How long does it take? Good quality? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1556 Registered: 12-2000 |
Man, that is a difference! Sweet. | ||
| Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
New member Username: Ytoda928 Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2001 |
Eric, what a difference!! Great work!! Can you also send me a copy of the file to [email protected]? Thanks!! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2001 |
Just a follow up with some pics of how the engine compartment / air box / intake plenum restoration turned out. Finally finished repainting the air box and intake plenum / throttle bore, affixing all the new factory decals, and getting everything re-installed. Here's some pics of the results:    Just for comparison sake, here's a pic of how the engine compartment looked the day I purchased the 308:  Thanks for letting me "show off" the red-head. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
New member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2001 |
Way to go, Scott -- glad it worked for you. I like the fact that, when the decklid is closed, you can still see the Ferrari logo peering out through the top deck grills. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
New member Username: Jscott Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2002 |
Eric: I got the vinyl and repainted the air box on my 328. I had to resize the logo to 3 3/8". It looks pretty good. Better than spending $250 for something so minor. I do not intend to compete just like having the car look good! Appreciate the work you did. Thank you! Scott | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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I had ItalianCarParts refinish the one on my 1986 328 and they did a great job. I don't recall the price though. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Your welcome, J.Scott...glad you liked it -- hope it works for you. I hope to be able to snap a couple of pics of the engine bay this weekend (if I can have everything done by then). I'll post them next week. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
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Thank you Eric, I got the file and it is terrific! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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You're absolutely right, Frank... I debated over that fact when deciding ultimately how to finish the air box. Currently, I have no plans to ever enter the car in a concours event; however, should I change my mind, will have it re-finished by ItalianCarParts. Been waiting for a call back from T.Rutlands as to the price / availability of a "new" air box top -- I'll give them another call tomorrow. If it costs roughly the same (or less) for a new one, I'd be willing to purchase it for use only at those types of events. In the meantime, this should suffice for now -- it looks great in the engine compartment (a whole lot better than before, that is) and should do fine for the local car shows. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Looks good, but not original. It will hurt you if you decide to enter your car in a concours d' elegance. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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No problem, J.Scott -- just e-mailed the file. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
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Eric: Would you please send me a copy of the file? I really appreciate it. Thanks, [email protected] | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
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Looks great! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Thanks for the compliments... If anyone is in need of the .eps file (scaled to fit as shown in the pics) let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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Looks great Eric... I had forgotton that the simple solution would be the vinyl that is used for signs. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Good move Eric, a lot better than $250 or whatever they want to restore your airbox at other places. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Good news -- finally found a "temporary" solution for my air box top. Ended up sanding it by hand and repainting with heat temp paint. Next, I "lifted" the Ferrari logo from a digital owners manual (.pdf file) and saved it in .eps format. Called up the local sign guy that we use for all our business vehicle door signs, and told him what I needed. No problem, he said -- took my .eps file and fed it to his vinyl cutter / plotter and created a couple of sticker sheets on reflective white vinyl. Pasted it on and it looks almost as if it just came from the factory, plus I have an extra one for future use. Best of all, he didn't charge me a dime (since I did most of the work, he said)! Felt kind of bad getting this for free, so I offered to do a couple of file conversions for him -- he's happy and I am too. Chose to go with just the word Ferrari rather than the typical Ferrari/UFI combo -- in the end, I thought all that wording just looked a little to "busy" or cluttered (just my opinion, of course). Noticed on a couple of archived pics of later model 328 engine compartments that only the word Ferrari appeared on those air box tops as well, and I actually liked that look better. Here's a couple of pics of the results:   So, for the cost of a can of paint and a few minutes of my time, the top is now "restored" . | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Mine either. Like I said I only saw it on a few cars. One example, take a look in the Original Ferrari V-8 book on page 49, a pic of a 308 engine, the plate plain in view. They may not be original on GT4's, but I think they look cool and it definitely adds "colour" to that massive expanse of sheet-metal. | ||
| Gerrit Visser (Gerritv)
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Hi Peter, My 1976 Euro 308GT4 does not have the firing order plate. I haven't found any evidence of mounting holes. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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The metal plate on carb air-boxes is the ignition firing order, seen often on the air-boxes of the older V-12 cars (and sometimes on the engine block). I'd like to get one for my GT4. Although, I've only seen it on one car (in a magazine review). Any other GT4's out there with these metal plates? I've seen it advertised at Berlinetta Motorcars, but they never replied to my enquiry. Anybody know where else they are avaliable? | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Didn't even notice that in the pics, Tommy -- good eye! My 85 308QV has this shield that you're referring to. Ferrari calls it a "water shield panel" (part #60735800) -- and this part is depicted on a Parts Manual diagram for the 308 Quattrovalvole dated March 1983, so I would assume that it was on the 84's as well? Not sure though... | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
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Okay, I have a question now about subtle differences under the hood. My 84 308 doesn't have that extra rain drip guard thing that curves down to the left from the middle of the hood. Does anyone know what I am talking about? These pic's show it missing on this car too. I have seen them on carb. and inj. cars. Are we missing ours or did Ferrari skip a year? | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
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On early carb models, the metal plate is riveted to to right side of the airbox, on top at the point where the flexi intake connects... My 77 308gtb does not have one... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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The carb models don't have any decals or name plates on them. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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I've wondered the same thing Jerry W. -- just finished browsing a bunch of archived photos of several carbed 308 engine compartments and none of them have any decals on the air box -- good question. | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
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I'm sorry guys, I should have mentioned that I have a carbed 308. Are there supposed to be any decals on the big carbed air boxes? Thanks, Jerry. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Jerry W., Here's a couple of "archived" pics from other 308's showing the Ferrari & UFI logos on the air box top (sorry that they are not very detailed pics):   | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
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If you have an 84 308, it is quite possible the air box never had lettering. My first Ferrari was an 84, the box was flat black, no trace of letters. I thought someone may have removed it, but then I saw other 84's, including a one owner, totally original car that also had no lettering. Yet all the 83's and 85's I have seen have lettering. Few Ferrari details are absolute and I don't know if all 84's were flat black. Perhaps others out there can share what they have. | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
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Can anyone snap a photo of the airbox decal. I never even knew it was supposed to have one. Mine was also gone when I bought the car and I just had my entire box blasted and powder coated. Thanks, Jerry. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Good idea, John... Unfortunately, all the silk-screened logos are completely gone on mine and consequently the air box top is completely black (was that way when I bought the car). Perhaps I should just repaint it myself, and have the local sign-guy vinyl cut me a logo to paste centered on the box? | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
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Yeah, they want too much money. I touched mine up with model airplane paint & sprayed it with clear coat. That will hold me over until the price comes down to earth. My 328 was easy 'cause it did nto have the UFI small print stuff. Looks good, but not 100%. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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That is a great question, as my airbox needs to be re screen printed too. There is a place Italian Car Parts that has an exchange program. I'd LOVE to do it myself and save the $250. You know? ANYONE? | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
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Been thinking about having the air box top restored (repainted with new silk-screened Ferrari & UFI labels) by ICP. Has anyone ever had this done to their 308's? If so, how was the quality, and does the silk-screen hold up well to frequent cleaning? |