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TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 883
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 8:05 am: | |
started an oil change last night. no need to lift the car, just slid under, put the hex wrench in and tapped it with a mallet, slid the catch basin under and dropped the plug - 5 min. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1880
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 12:47 am: | |
I always like to use a bit of teflon tape (not the white plumber's crap, but the better, yellow, gas-seal tape) on the threads, in addition to the copper washer (old or new).
I realise some of the engineers out there will remind me that its not a tapered thread, so I shouldn't use tape, but with my experience, it helps to fill the clearance between thread teeth.
No leaks at all. |
James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member
Username: Jamesh
Post Number: 109
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:37 pm: | |
I just learned something new. Thanks Craig and Tom. Thats what I love about this site, one can always learn something new. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 879
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 4:34 pm: | |
thanks for the background |
Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member
Username: Craigfl
Post Number: 392
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 6:27 am: | |
Copper is one of the metals that when it is "worked", i.e. bent, compressed, stressed, it becomes more brittle and difficult to deform. So if you want it to return to its normal properties, you can heat it up to red hot. This process is called annealing. When it cools, it will then be softer again. Soft copper is the best to conform to uneven surfaces and will seal better. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 877
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 8:10 pm: | |
you can reuse the old as long as you hit it with a torch - ie - anneal it? or something like that |
j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member
Username: Jscott
Post Number: 119
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 5:36 pm: | |
I have always been told to use a NEW copper washer when replacing the bolt. I know that they are very cheep and a pretty good thing to do.
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TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 873
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 4:06 pm: | |
I have it right - make sure you have a copper washer on the plug - no leaks |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
New member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 3:16 pm: | |
The engine plug is the one that leaks the most. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 872
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 2:07 pm: | |
the oil is in front and says oil motore? and the trans say oil cambio - or do I have it backwards, damn |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 1:52 pm: | |
I'm going to have Norwood do it this next time, because I need some A/C work too, but after that I think I'll do all the changes myself. It's not hard on my other cars, just being careful with the Ferrari. I've heard it's easy to mistake the trans plug and the oil plug. That would be bad... overfill the engine and then burn the trans. |
Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Junior Member
Username: Ricrain
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 1:40 pm: | |
Rob, bring it over to my place this weekend and I'll show you all you need to know. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 1762
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 1:27 pm: | |
Norwood, but I want to start doing it myself. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 870
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:53 pm: | |
yes, who does your oil changes? |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 1761
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:36 pm: | |
My Mazda RX7 has an oil drain plug under the block. I just unscrew the plug when warm and everything drains out. Does a 328 have this? |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 862
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 9:41 am: | |
Rob you lost me, many who drain the oil from the bottom like to punch a hole in the filter to release any potential vacuum allowing remaining oil to flow back, especially if you run it before (to get the oil hot) and you have not let it sit. I guess if you suck it out with the vacuum tool you could do that as well |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 1755
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 9:36 am: | |
Do people prefer the hole in the filter method or isn't there a drain hole? |
S. Long (Sml)
Junior Member
Username: Sml
Post Number: 53
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 8:56 am: | |
Dave, I use the gizmo you described and it works like a charm...I highly suggest using it if you change your oil more frequently (ie ~every 1-3K). I find that a vast majority of the oil is extracted and the remaining "sludge" is good to clog the tiny holes in a new filter. However, I would also suggest doing a "normal" oil change at least once a year just to ease your mind. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Irfgt
Post Number: 1492
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 5:38 pm: | |
I like draining it from the bottom as I feel that any residue may not be sucked out but could come out if drained from the bottom. |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 214
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 4:11 pm: | |
Many thanks, all! I will give it a try... I know it won't work on my 550, dur to the dry sump system, unfortunately. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 855
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 3:38 pm: | |
the procedure outlined on www.expensivecar.com does it with a topsider |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 854
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 3:37 pm: | |
you should be able to get all the oil out with the pump. regarding jacking the car, I can change the oil in my Mondial without raising the car. just slide under use your long arms and undue the plug - simple |
j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member
Username: Jscott
Post Number: 115
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 3:33 pm: | |
Dave: I used a "Topsider" last week to change the oil in my 89 328. It did a pretty good job but didn't get all of the oil out. Left about 1.5 quarts in the engine. I felt that it was better than nothing since I try to change oil every 1000 to 1500 miles. As you know the car takes 2.64 U.S. gallons. So, it is my theory that this process is a good in-between step to keep the majority of oil fresh. I am not a tech however and would appreciate a more knowledeable opinion. The process was simple and I have found that jacking up my car often tweeks the doors. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 853
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 3:30 pm: | |
other have used it. no major problems that I know of. oil in the cooler is not diff then when doing it from underneath? |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member
Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 213
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 3:14 pm: | |
A quick question, folks, and I am grateful in advance for any responses:
I have a 1986 328. I normally change the oil the normal way--remove th edipstick, opening the crankcase hole, puncturing the filter, etc.
My brother had this gizmo he bought from Griot's Garage that is a big cylinder than stands on the floor, and essentially sticks a looooonnnng tube down the dipstick hole, and, after you plunger a vacuum into its large container, this sucks the oil right up & out of the crankcase. He has had GREAT results using this on his vehicles (no Ferraris there).
My question: this seems easier to do than getting under the car, etc.--has anyone done this on a 328? If not, do you foresee any big issues preventing me from being successful using this gizmo--ie, from oil hanging up in the oil cooler?
I'd also like ot use it on my M3, and think it will be fine, as the M3 has a traditional crankcase & no oil cooler, etc.
Thanks in advance,
Dave |