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Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
Junior Member
Username: Kurtk328
Post Number: 107
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 3:22 am: | |
Try to sign up on www.owners.ferrari.com and ask the questions to the Ferrari Admin.
They should be the closest to the factory files. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 104
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 10:11 pm: | |
Thanks Verell...I did some other checking and so far my serial numbers are coming up as the last produced. Ferrari did alot of bouncing around on numbers between the gtb and the gts in the 308 models...some later some earlier. I was alittle confused, but after doing a bit of reading I am starting to make heads and tails of it. If you find out anymore please share. Your input has been a great help...Thanks |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 45
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 9:01 pm: | |
Robert,
Darn it, Last Tuesday or soI wrote up a response to you & apparently never got it posted(sigh, early Alzheimers I guess.) There is a relevant point, & I'll eventually get to it.
KEITH BLUMEL ISN'T ALWAYS RIGHT:
Anyway, What I was trying to say was that 308 GTB QV S/N 41947 corrects what I've always considered an anomaly about the GTB QV production run relative to the GTS QV production run. The Original Ferrari V8 lists the start and end of the 308 QV production runs as:
FIRST S/N LAST S/N
GTS: 41701 59265
GTB: 42809 59071
Indicating the GTB production run started with S/Ns 1107 higher than the GTS run, but the runs ended with S/Ns only 196 apart!
However, the GTB QV's S/N 41947 is within 246 of the GTS run!!!
It seems much more reasonable that the GTB & GTS QVstarting S/Ns would be approximately the same. After all, you'd like to put some of each style into showrooms as soon as possible.
HOW THIS RELATES TO YOUR GTBi:
Blumel's GTBi and GTSi start & finish S/Ns are both within ~20 of each other:
FIRST S/N LAST S/N
GTSi: 31309 43079
GTBi: 31327 43059
Given that we now know that the GTB & GTS QV runs also covered a fairly closely matched S/N range, my suspicion is that Keith's data on the GTBi/GTSi runs is pretty darned accurate.
THIS IS ARGUABLY A MUCH STRONGER CASE THAT YOU DO INDEED HAVE THE LAST GTSi BUILT!!!! |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 64
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 7:16 pm: | |
So what are you trying to say Verell? |
BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1735
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 6:13 pm: | |
You gotta love the Italian's and their ability for organizing. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 6:09 pm: | |
I should have looked at FML's GTS QV fer sale before making the preceding post. Here's another low S/N QV:
308 GTS QV, S/N 42773 (1983 USA model). Original white finish with black interior. 30K service & records, new belts. 39,100 miles, ..."
This is the first time I've actually come across QVs with S/Ns in the GTxi range, or even below my car's S/N. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 6:03 pm: | |
It looks like 308 QV production was interleaved with 308 2V production. I came across this in the Ferrari Market Letter:
"308 GTB QV, S/N 41947 (1983 USA model). Rosso rubino with black interior. 8,600 documented miles. European spoiler, two sets of wheels, current service records since day one, zero stories. Mint. $40,000."
Even more interesting is that this is listed as an '83 while Robert's '82 has a higher S/N! |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 61
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 7:16 am: | |
Ok, now my question is...if this is the last gtbi built as stated by Verell, is it worth anymore than any of the other gtb's built? I guess that would decide how original I keep her? I listen to all comments and I like the fact that you only live once. But I could buy a red one, than destroy the value of this car... |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1592
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 11:54 pm: | |
I'd hate to rub it in Verell, but look a little closer on p.50... the rear cylinder bank has the second distributor. This car has the rubber covers over them.
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magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 2014
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 10:53 pm: | |
Rob, Now you are hearing from a purist. In my opinion a serious buyer, if you should ever decide to sell the car, will want the car the orig color. Remember you don't have a Chevy or a Ford . I would keep it the orig color and make it stand out like a diamond in a goats ass. Now that takes a lot of work but it will be much more saleable should you ever sell it. The other side of the coin is if you want a red Ferrari then "A guy has to do what a guy has to do." |
BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1716
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 4:58 pm: | |
For the most part it always does. Silver isn't bad, have you seen Paul Sloan's car? Remember though, you only live once, if you want red go with red. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 60
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 4:56 pm: | |
If this infact is the last #. Would altering the body color from the original color decrease any further value that it may have? The car is silver, I was fixing to strip and repaint red. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 58
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 4:08 pm: | |
THANK YOU VERELL....WOW!, I am excited! Would'nt that be cool if it is indeed the last of its kind...............cool........!!!! |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 26
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 3:58 pm: | |
ROBERT'S VIN DECODED:
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Here's what your VIN tells about the car:
ZFF - It's made by Ferrari
H - Engine: 308 2-valve injected European
A - safety system:3-point inertia belts for front
O1 - Body Type:= 308 GTBi
B -Left-Hand drive vehicle for the European market.
0 - Checksum digit: 0 for non-US market cars until ~'87.
0 - Model Year: 0 for non-US market cars until '~87
0 - Ass'y Plant: Marinello
043059 - Production serial #.
THE VERY LAST GTBI???
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You may have a very unique car as Keith Blumel's ORIGINAL FERRARI V8 book lists #043059 as the last GTB built! There isn't a higher #'d GTBi listed in the FerrariList registry: http://red-headed.com/ferrarilist/
The next higher #'d car is my QV. I suggest you register your car there also.
BTW, what is your engine model #?
(F106BB is what Euro GTxi's usually have.)
BTW: To decode any Ferrari VIN go to:
http://www.expensivecar.com/vin.htm
NOT ALL FI CARS HAVE TWIN DISTRIBUTORS
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Peter, There's a picture of a GTBi/GTSi single distributor engine on page 50 of Keith Blumel's
ORIGINAL FERRARI V8 book.
BOTTOM LINE FOR MAGNECOR:
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INSIST YOUR CAR IS INDEED A TWIN DISTRIBUTOR & TELL THEM TO JUST SELL YOU THE $!#$ WIRES!!
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'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1581
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:20 pm: | |
Here's that discussion with the link (Nopi wires):
http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/6525.html?1014012893 |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1580
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:16 pm: | |
I think he's trying to determine what market type his car is, so he can purchase a set of wires for the engine (Magnecor are telling him he needs a single-distributor wire set, which isn't true, all FI 308's are twin dist. no matter which country).
Just recently (and it may still be on this current Tech Q&A list) there was someone who provided a source for a 308 8mm wire kit. |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 537
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:07 pm: | |
Robert -- Can you clarify your request? What type of VIN help are you looking for? Is there a problem with the decoding vs the actual configuration? Things like the rectangular side markers are easily added, and speedos sometimes changed (especially on cars with an international background as yours). |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 53
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 8:40 pm: | |
Still looking for help on vin# below...anyone? |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 7:31 pm: | |
My vin #ZFFHAO1B000043059, As described by Verell's post, it has no cats or smog pump, it is a fuelie, dual twin pipe exhaust, does not have the large spoiler in front. I did not think the 82 came as a QV till 83. Mine is a 82 2 valve. Speedo is US, but other guages are metric. I do have the bag with tools, the jack bag, the light bulb holder, spare spark plug and spare belts that came in a vinyl bag. It does not have the small round bulbs on front fender, uses the rectangular markers. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1560
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:43 am: | |
Canadian car's engines are spec'd identical to those of US. Canadian cars differ with bumpers (5mph instead of US 2.5mph) and metric gauges (km, litres, etc...), plus some other junk, not relating to this thread.
All FI 308's were twin distributors US or EURO. Carb cars are the ones with a mix of twin or single distributors. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1989
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 11:08 pm: | |
I am also suprised at the twin distributors. So just enjoy. |
magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Magoo
Post Number: 1988
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 11:04 pm: | |
Sounds like you have a modified Euro maybe with a diff elec.set up or diff. engine. Don't hold me to that Robert. It does sound a little confusing. |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 20
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 9:47 pm: | |
I know it's got an Euro style VIN: ZFFLA13B000043875
But don't know what VINs Canadian cars had in '82, It never seems to have come up in discussions. |
David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 55
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 9:08 pm: | |
You can tell by it's serial number, What number is your car? |
Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member
Username: Verell
Post Number: 19
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 8:58 pm: | |
Well, It's certainly not a US model.
I assume there's a South American counterpart to FNA. You might try calling/writing them.
The light under the rear bumper is a 'fog warning light'. Usually Euro cars had them in pairs.
My '82 Euro 308 GTS QV has it's idiosyncracies:
- Fiberglass bumpers
- orange/white turn signal/running lights in front bumper
- Large Fiberglass front spoiler
- No cat/air pump
- Black fender & hood louvers (hood louver is blk anodized, w/slightly silver sheen.
- dual twin pipe exhaust
- twin distributors (TRutlands was surprised when I told them it was a Euro w/Twins.)
- small round side lights on front fender
- '82 GTSi/GTBi manual & service location books.
- Space-saver 'dino' spare.
- Bag w/Jack, lug wrench, & plastic container with spare bulbs& sparkplugs. (No tool kit tho.)
HISTORY:
Ferrari Factory supplied a build date of October '82. Wish I'd asked what dealer it was shipped to(duh). I don't know the early history.
Does anyone know if Canada got it's cars thru FNA,
in which case they'd probably be US spec. If not, then it might be a Euro like Canadian spec. car.
It has a windshield sticker from GentryLane in Toronto. I called them & they took the VIN & confirmed it was serviced there in '87 thru '89. (they wouldn't give me the owner's name. One of these days I'll go up there & see what they'll tell/show me face to face.)
CARFAX shows it registered in NY in '92.
It was titled in MA a year or so later.
Dealer replaced Euro speedo with US one just before I bought it. Still had Euro speedo when I saw the car, but it got replaced by a US one bought from TRutlands before I could do anything about it. At least I got to see the Euro Odometer & know the mileage matches the kilometarage. |
Robert Davis (H2oquick)
New member
Username: H2oquick
Post Number: 49
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 8:13 pm: | |
I contacted magnecor to make me a set of wires for my 82 308 gtbi...This car is suppose to be a euro. The owner brought it here from Brazil. It has fiberglass bumpers, no emissions, has a funky little red light under rear bumper on drivers side, ( by the way if anyone can tell me the true purpose of this light?) the body covering the exhaust(no exhaust grille), body color fender louvers. Yet magnecor said the euro models have 1 distributor....mine has two...can anybody tell me what I have...or maybe tell me if your euro 308 has 1 or 2 distributors.........thanks |