| Author | Message | ||
| Edward G. Salla (350hpmondial)
New member Username: 350hpmondial Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2002 |
I agree with the solinoid addition, just be sure to put a fuse in line at the battery, in the hotwires. To continue with the new, aftermarket, window switches. about $13.00/ea. After passing a flat file on the side of the switch, on all the brass contacts at once, to reduce the size of the male brass about spades about 1mm, (Note; the same amount of black plastic will also be removed). The "BREVET AnSor 9k S" type plugged in and look rightous. ( Better then the origional "TORRIX BteSGDG" type) took a total of 20 min for the pair. Looks Good too. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2001 |
The relays are sometimes required to insure a 12 volt feed. The biggest problem with import wiring in the breaking down of the wire and its contacts. Which can be anywhere in the system between the fuseblock, switches and motors. A 20 year old car is bound to have loss proper connections over that period of time( hell we work on 5 and 6 year old Toyotas that have lost some of their kick). These also are useful for supplying the proper voltage to the starter. I have worked with automotive electrical and computer control in automotive systems for a long time. I have found many glitches that would have required rewiring, this is where the relay comes in. Now I am not saying it is required in all cars, a voltmeter will tell you that. But they can sure take the headaches out of slow windows or cars that won't turn over with the starter and you just can't seem to find the problem. | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 121 Registered: 7-2001 |
I am not sure honestly. I have them at my shop and I am home now. I will check tomorrow. BTW I talked to George quite a bit about my windows/motors and he says you definitely do not need to do the retrofit with the Bosch relays or any other "tricks" to get 12 volts to the motors other than making sure that your wires are not pinched from the door. In that case you simply replace the wire. George has a great E-Mail that he sent me with awesome pictures on how to do the entire procedure. Eric E. was also nice enough to forward me an article that he had found on going even further and pulling the glass and window tracks. I must say prior to diving into these doors I was quite intimidated by the seeming complexity of the inner workings of the doors, but now I could probably tear one apart and put it back together without even throwing a wrench. I am even replacing one of the cables that George supplied me (stainless steel...better than original tempered ones). If anyone needs me to forward these E-Mails, just let me know. Jerry | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Junior Member Username: Eurocardoc Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2001 |
Jerry, were these Bosch motors? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 452 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thanks for the info. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2001 |
They look the same, they are new not a rebuilt. I don't know what the inner difference is, but they have alot more torque than the factory replacement. I also bought Bosch relays that I was going to use in conjunction with the new motors. This would have supplied 12 volts direct, but it don't look like I will need them. The window motors work well by themselves. As Jerry W. stated George Evans is who I purchased mine from also. Except I paid about 110.00 on ebay for both, his ebay name is gevans. He has them on quite often, keep checking you should be able to get a deal too. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1600 Registered: 12-2000 |
So back to my first question: Jerry and Robert, are the motors rebuilt or a different one altogether? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2025 Registered: 2-2001 |
Maybe not, You know there are those parts like window switches they figure you are going to throw away the entire unit not repair it. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1599 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes I could Magoo, but there's gotta be an easier way to get at them. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2023 Registered: 2-2001 |
The only way I know these motors can be more powerful is heavier windings and a compatible armature. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2022 Registered: 2-2001 |
Peter, Couldn't you grind off the rivets,carefully, with a dremel cutting disc remove the rivet and tap new threads into the case and install machine screws. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1595 Registered: 12-2000 |
So are these heavy duty motors rebuilt to perform to stronger levels, or are they just a different motor altogether, that just happens to have identical mountings? In the International Auto catalogue they list power window motors and mechanisms for various makes of Italian cars, they include line-drawings of the motors and the one used for an Alfa Milano & 164 looks incredibly close to the one used in the 308's (although the cable is too short). I wonder if its this motor that's used in the "upgrade"? Has anyone figured out how to remove and check the brushes on the motors? They seem to be buried within the plastic holder and that end of the motor can't be easily removed (not if I grind off the rivets holding the bearing assembly, or grind-off the tabs holding the plate which that bearing plate is mounted to, both methods would seriously sacrifice the integrity of the motor case). I've got the motor back together, but it would've been nice to check the brushes and lube the bushings. I haven't installed it back in the car, so it still can be done if someone knows how and tells me (and the rest of FC  ). | ||
| Jerry W. (Tork1966)
Junior Member Username: Tork1966 Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2001 |
I just bought a set from George Evans Automotive in Columbus. They are $150.00/set and worth every penny...my windows work great. Evans Automotive | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 845 Registered: 2-2001 |
I had seen the motors on EBAY and was hoping someoneon the Chat Site would buy some and post the results. Thanks! | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2001 |
I bought them on ebay....but I have the phone number I bought them from ...you can buy them direct from him..I will find the number and post it tomorrow... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 439 Registered: 12-2001 |
I would like to know about the new motors too. Where an I find a set? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 844 Registered: 2-2001 |
Where did you get your new more powerful motors? | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 63 Registered: 8-2001 |
Cleaned the switches, replaced the motor with the hi-torque replacement, cleaned out the gear assembly, regreased everything...the window is fast...I mean fast...almost acts like the cross arm regulator, not like the cable style it is...thanks for all the input. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2001 |
For what it's worth, I recently purchased 2 new power window switches for the 308 from the dealer. On the new ones, the arrows (up and down) are illuminated when the key is turned on -- looks nice compared to the older original ones (plain with painted arrows). Next, I need to R&R the window motors, etc. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2001 |
For what it's worth, I recently purchased 2 new power window switches for the 308 from the dealer. On the new ones, the arrows (up and down) are illuminated when the key is turned on -- looks nice compared to the older original ones (plain with painted arrows). Next, I need to R&R the window motors, etc. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks for the input, I will try cleaning them first...if not I will try one of the suppliers you listed........ | ||
| JP Lavigne (Jpl)
New member Username: Jpl Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2001 |
Before buying new ones, just take the old ones apart and clean up the contacts. I thought I had two bad switches, but it was easy to pop them apart and clean them up, they now work better than when I bought the car 5 years ago | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Junior Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 147 Registered: 9-2001 |
A couple of other choices: www.ferraripartsexchange.com. They were exceedingly helpful in taking parts back (unused of course) when my T was totaled. They could have easily said you bought it but they were super to deal with... Call Greg Cowman at 504-482-2793. You may also want to try: T. Rutlands - www.trutlands.com All Ferrari Parts - www.allferrariparts.com/home.html Italian Car Parts - www.italiancarparts.com PartsSource - www.ferrariparts.com | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 607 Registered: 9-2001 |
I don't know about the 308, but I know the switches on the 328 are the same as on many Fiat models. On my 328 I replaced the A/C temp control with a Fiat part. Ferrari wanted over $500.00 for the part and I got the same part from Fiat for less than $100.00. | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Junior Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 146 Registered: 9-2001 |
Email [email protected] with part number...I have a couple of other sources but I am not on my machine right now to look up. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2001 |
Does anybody have any idea if any other car maker has a window switch that will replace the factory Ferrari? In 308 models 1981 and 1982. I thought I read a thread somewhere in FC about another less expensive replacement. Or if not where one can be purchased other than the dealer? thanks |