| Author | Message | ||
| Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member Username: Bill308 Post Number: 272 Registered: 5-2001 |
The following pages from my 78 Parts Manual clearly show different part numbers for the GTB and GTS storage compartments. Items 22 and 23 are the applicable numbers. GTB's have open bins and GTS's have closeable pockets.   | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Junior Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 167 Registered: 2-2002 |
My 1976 308 GTB has the long open top pockets. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2002 |
Me 2. I always thought carbed cars had pouches and injected cars had pockets . | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Junior Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 191 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey, Bruno, I really thought I knew it all until now. I dug around in my library looking for pictures of GTB's in old magazines and for the first time realized that I couldn't see the door panels very well. You could easily see the GTS's with the flap covers because in all those pictures the tops are out and more light gets in for the photographer. I did know Ferrari changed these on the injected 308's and just assumed all the carb cars were the same. Just now I pulled out a picture I took of a one owner 77 308 GTB way back in 1981. Sure enough, the door panels had the open compartments. I never noticed it in over 20 years. I guess I just learned something new. | ||
| Mike Fisher (Mikef)
Junior Member Username: Mikef Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2001 |
My 77 308GTB is very original and has the long open top pockets, not the flap over pouches. I guess it's a case of whatever Luigi had in the parts bin that day. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 219 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well I convinced the guy to remove the door panel. The door is only drilled for the long compartments no holes are present where pouch would go and the plastic is still intack. Either this car came this way or it has 2 replacement doors from 80+ 308 on it. The service records show no doors just 1 repaint. My conclusion must be that carbed gts had pouches and carbed gtb had compartments. Or someone did 1 hell of a job faking it. | ||
| Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
Junior Member Username: Yank05 Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2001 |
Every carbed (76-79) GTB has the long compartments as standard equipment - I have seen about 10 by now in my search...and every carbed GTS should have the pouches with snaps..........check "Original Ferrari V8" by Keith Bluemel, the Wyss book, or Henry's book - these are all good references. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bill308???? What does it list and show for the GTB. Pockets or pouches???? I agree with the Doc. I never saw the pockets in any carbed 308's till this one. The different part numbers between the gtb and s are puzzling me now even more now. Does anybody have a carbed gtb with pouches??? In 80+ they all had pockets gtb or gts. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Junior Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 189 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have never seen a pre-injected car with factory installed compartments. The switch was part of the interior design change with the injected cars from 1980 on (Nardi steering wheel, herringbone seat pattern, instrument relocation, etc.) If you have a pre-80 car with compartments instead of the flap-pockets I feel certain it was put in by a previous owner | ||
| Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member Username: Bill308 Post Number: 267 Registered: 5-2001 |
My 78 308 parts book lists different numbers for the GTB and GTS door storage compartments, but only illustrates the GTB compartments. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 212 Registered: 5-2002 |
This car has the long black compartments not the pouches with snaps. (And the pouches actually had a little key for them). My 80 and 82 gtsi have compartments. the 78gts I previously owned had pouches and the 78 gtb I am looking at has compartments.What is the rule????? | ||
| Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
Junior Member Username: Yank05 Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2001 |
pockets are the long compartments......... | ||
| Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
Junior Member Username: Yank05 Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2001 |
...just to clarify - "pockets" do not have a snapped cover, "pouches" do....GTS cars have the "pouches". | ||
| Tim Hogan (Tojo)
New member Username: Tojo Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have a 79 gtb with the long black compartments too. I' have no idea of the history of my car though so I don't know if this is original or not. Maybe it was one of those Euro/US things like camshafts or exhausts etc | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2002 |
I guess I meant I had pockets then. All I know is that there is a snap to keep that pocket closed...probably to keep things from blowing away when the top is down as was pointed out... | ||
| Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
Junior Member Username: Yank05 Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2001 |
I know that on '70s and early 80's models, pockets were put on GTBs, pouches on GTS models (probably to keep things from blowing out when the top is removed?). I'll have to double check Bluemel's book. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 59 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have a 79 GTS with pockets... | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 211 Registered: 5-2002 |
I saw the entire service history on the car and the repaint receipts. No doors or skins were mentioned as being replaced. It is possible I suppose. The inside of the doors are in excellent shape no signs of rust. The paint has slightly bubbled on the botom of the outside. The color fade behind the black compartments seems correct for 24 years. It is a puzzle. Maybe some others have 78 gtb with the same or different .If so please post what style you have. | ||
| Bill Sebestyen (Bill308)
Member Username: Bill308 Post Number: 262 Registered: 5-2001 |
Could the doors have been replaced with the later model doors, perhaps as a rust repair? | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 210 Registered: 5-2002 |
As does all I have seen but this thing looks original with the long black compartments mounted on the botom of the door panels like in the 80+ cars.It is a 1978 GTb.I guess the only way to tell is going to be to remove the panel and see if you can see where the old pockets were screwed on. If the holes are there it is a good bet it had pockets??? | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 253 Registered: 12-2001 |
My 79 carb gtb has pockets. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 201 Registered: 5-2002 |
I saw a 1978 308 gtb with the long black side door compartments instead of the pouches. Is this possible? Did they come both ways? I always thought it was the pouches up until 1980 (injected cars). |