| Author | Message | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2142 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bars? We have a post office and a garden shop, and a couple posh nail care places. LOL. There have only been like small parties thrown by my friends lately really, nothing special. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 639 Registered: 6-2001 |
fine, i'll try to make something else crazy, like an organic car. Are there any good parties in saddle river or any good bars for that matter? My cousin lives near tuxedo park and i've been meaning to hang out with him nore often. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2135 Registered: 2-2001 |
That's more like it Tim. I don't know about Uber animals, but I'm always game for parties. When I'm home for the summer and the Fcar is all together I would definitely be game for hanging out with highschool chicks. We still do sometimes, but not enough IMO. Other than girls from my old HS, I have found a classy group (my step sister's friends, like 17) but the more the better IMHO. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 638 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bret, the photosynthetic plant and plant with a nervous system is for after i get a few ferraris and get drunk with hot girls in pools (cancun, 2003 here i come!) i have plenty of priorities. You should definately come to a pleasantville party with the drunk high school chicks. I have parties almost every weekend at my house anyway. Kenny, i expect u there again, this time there will be like 30 people, like there was on friday till the cops made everyone leave and took away some beer, bastards. anyway, Everyone thinks im crazy now because of my ideas of using bacteria plasmids to insert dna into somatic body cells and make crazy/uber animals. Think of the possibilities... | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
New member Username: Grande Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2001 |
E-mail me privately and I'll give you the skinny on being a BME. Brett's on the right track, enjoy life and do something you love :D.... Mike [email protected] | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2131 Registered: 2-2001 |
Someone correct this kids priorities fast. My goal is to have a track Ferrari and drive it everyday. Then after that go swimming in my pool and get wasted with hot girls. Now those are goals for you Tim. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 633 Registered: 6-2001 |
M grande, i noticed u werea biomed engineer. How do you like it? I have to pick a feild of engineering to major in in the next year. I always liked bio and this year in AP bio i always asked questions about what kinds of animals, plants or combinations of the two using recombinant dna and plasmids and stuff. My life goal is to make a plant with a nervouse system, or a photosynthetic animal. (im not serious as i believe one day they will evolve anyway) | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
New member Username: Grande Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thought I would add this pic; as you can see, it was taken a loooooong time ago and I hardly remember the car. One of many that my dad's friend had in Los Angeles.  Never got to drive this one, but I bet it was a blast. Anyway, supercharging a Ferrari can be done! Mike | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2105 Registered: 2-2001 |
Paul that's a good point with the TT advantage over one T. How they got the new Bentley to be so much more throttle responsive, and faster, than the old one. Something like 450HP and 600lbft. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1746 Registered: 12-2000 |
Magoo, that car was designed to do one thing only: go fast and win races. It would've had a successful career if Group B rallying wasn't terminated. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 111 Registered: 12-2001 |
The downside to supercharging is parasitic losses from the drive belt and limited top end breathing. They become a restriction at higher rpm unlike a turbo. I would use 2 small turbos on an engine like a 308 for the fast spool-up and the low restriction for the 8500rpm runs. 2 small turbos are better than one large one due to the heavier impeller that takes longer to spin up. Some have said that turbos arent free power, they are a restriction in the exhaust that creates pumping losses thus requiring HP to run them. I would like either on my 308 but then Id really have no money left. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2204 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well, Who woulda thunk it????? Look at all the crap hanging on the engine. Was this overkill for what ya got? Maybe not. Depends on what ya want. Thanks. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1743 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, you are wrong Magoo!  One feeds the other (supercharger delivers a pressurized charge to the turbo). Its quite an ingenious system, developed by Abarth. There's one for sale in France: http://www.carclassic.com/html/CY06.HTM Take a look at the cut-away drawing of the car and the engine bay views of that "For Sale" ad link. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2198 Registered: 2-2001 |
Supercharged -Turbo-charged on one engine. Sounds like one would work against the other. Am I wrong? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1742 Registered: 12-2000 |
Best of both worlds? The Group B rally car: a 1986 Lancia Delta S4... Supercharged AND turbocharged... | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2084 Registered: 2-2001 |
I looked it up, they are all supercharged from Mercedes. It seems to me that a supercharger is better, but obviously there are ins and outs of each. I know turbos can make some insane power though. I would say for an American V8 I would go with a supercharger, with a foreign engine a turbo. Mercedes' engines almost follow American standards as far as gaining performance (more CI the better) so I'd put them in that category. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2001 |
BretM - DC is generally supercharging not turbo'ing. The Kompressors I believe are all blown. The AMG 55 engines are generally supercharged. I'm not aware of any current MB/AMG car that is turbocharged (but I'm not aware of all that much in that space, so I could be wrong!). doody. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2001 |
I may be wrong here, but aren't superchargers heavier and use more fuel since they're belt driven? The advantage to a supercharger is no lag. | ||
| Peter Connolly (Mondial_32_aus)
Junior Member Username: Mondial_32_aus Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2001 |
Turbos are "free power" they run off the garbage you throw out! The exhaust! I have a 1999 Australian Subaru WRX 2.0 Turbo and boy does it scream! 0-60 = ~ 5 sec's in a 4 door family car, it has lots of mods of course but a stock one does 0-60 in about 6 secs, take the turbo away and you are into 10 sec territory. I would love to turbo my mondial and probably will one day after I change the fuel & ignition system and somehow lower the comp! PC | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 1870 Registered: 2-2001 |
Why do people use turbos so much more than superchargers? Space? It seems to me that supechargers are better equipped for power. Mercedes still uses them I know on certain cars, I can't remember if Kompressor is turbo or supercharged, I think supercharged though. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 447 Registered: 6-2001 |
Peter and magoo, you are both right. However, that 126 CK that Peter and I were talking about was only supercharged, not a single or twin turbo. I like Peking Duck! It does not make a sound! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2096 Registered: 2-2001 |
Listen, If it has the exhaust going to it and is not belt driven, HELLO!!!!!! Quack, Quack! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2095 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'll shoot the •••••. Magoo | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1646 Registered: 12-2000 |
If it is... Its one BIG turbo. What will happen when you come across a duck that doesn't walk like one or quack like one?  | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2093 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yeah buddy, But if it has the exhaust going to it, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is." | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1644 Registered: 12-2000 |
I know Magoo, but the "Comprex" unit is hidden underneath stuff, but is on top of and in-line with the engine, large cylindrical body, looks a hell-of-alot like a supercharger. But it does have the exhaust going to it as well... who knows... I still stand by my statement of the 1950 F1 car being the last. You can clearly see the superchargers in front of the engine. Either case, its very rare that you'll find a supercharger on a F engine and its a shame, because blowers are alot better than turbos. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Intermediate Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2089 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think we are still talking about turbocharged don't you Peter? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1640 Registered: 12-2000 |
Mitchel, in Prancing Horse #138, their "Photo Mystery" picture shows a "Comprex" engine. It looks to me to be a turbo AND a supercharger in one unit. Apparently this did not last long, as they continued to write, that the engine with the twin KKK turbochargers were used for the rest of the season. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
New member Username: Verell Post Number: 47 Registered: 5-2001 |
Richelson, Any chance you could post some photos of your friend's engine compartment. Especially showing how the supercharger was installed & driven. Also, info about the EGI mods & any dyno numbers would be interesting... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 517 Registered: 12-2001 |
A friend of mine has a supercharged 308 QV and loves it. He also changed it to EFI/direct fire. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 441 Registered: 6-2001 |
The last Ferrari that was supercharged was the 1982-1984 126CK F1 car. To the best of my knowledge, it only ran 1 race. I want to say it used a Comptrex (sp?) roots type blower. Anyone anyone?? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1639 Registered: 12-2000 |
Maybe because of the supercharger's drive layout cannot be accomodated too easily on the Ferrari engines, or elsewhere in the engine bay. The last time a Ferrari engine was supercharged was the 1950 125C F1 (using a two-stage supercharger system, one on top of the other) | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
New member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 49 Registered: 12-2001 |
It seems as though all the Ferraris which have forced induction are turbocharged. Does anyone know why supercharging isn't as popular or more commonplace? |