| Author | Message | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1915 Registered: 12-2000 |
David, if you like the K&N so much, I have one on my shelf which I bought a long time ago and don't intend to use. I'll let it go for a good price  ... (this is a serious offer) | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2002 |
Definately rubber tipped. I saw a guy once who pulled off the rubber tips and played it like a bugle. I tried that with spike tips and cut my lip. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2001 |
Hans, I sure hope I never reach either in my car working or Max, that's alot of PSI, but If I remember right it's max... Now about those walking canes. Rubber tip, or spike end? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2002 |
David: Is that "Working" psi, or "Maximum" psi? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Junior Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 74 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dave, try Arkansas Trailer Mfg at 3200 S. Elm Street here in Little Rock. They stock Baldwin filters, but I don't know if they have the 308 filter (BT253). I bought a Baldwin filter from them for my 1980 Scout Terra project. I think the dead horse needs to be beaten a little more. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 164 Registered: 4-2001 |
Not wanting to beat a dead horse into the ground, but the K&N is rated at 550 psi... Do you think when we are all too old to drive our F-Cars we will have these wonderful discussions about rubber tips for walking canes? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Junior Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2002 |
Agree with the Baldwin comments. They are *industrial* filters, and you have to look for commercial sources, not automotive stores. I heard that the B253 is rated for 300psi, and that no other filter comes close. | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 288 Registered: 2-2002 |
Everyone thinks WIX are great, but they are made in China. Some of Purolator stuff is made in the mid east. Baldwin, Made in the USA | ||
| Mike Dawson (Miked)
New member Username: Miked Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2001 |
David, Baldwin products are actually easy to find, you just have to look for places that supply trucking and industrial customers, not retail automotive outlets. Per your profile you are in Little Rock, Truck Pro has Baldwin products. www.truckpro.com 1201 Baucum Industrial Drive North Little Rock, AR 72117 501-945-2229 1-800-999-8864 Baldwin vs. Fram or K&N is like Mercedes vs. Hyundi. There are only a few filter manufactures that make products for all the "brand names" and usually to a pricepoint. The oil filter has an inlet and outlet. Positioned at the inlet, the anti-drainback valve (it's the flap just inside of the circle of small inlet holes on the mounting face of the filter and it ranges from expensive silicon to cheap cardboard depending on what brand you buy) keeps the oil from draining back to the oil pump. The standpipe allows oil to drain in the other direction (filter outlet, large hole with threads)until the oil level in the filter reaches the top of the pipe. In an inverted filter situation the oil will generally drain completely from a filter without a standpipe. This just means that the oil pump has to refill the filter on startup before oil pressure is produced. Your oil light should be on before your engine fires (or at least cranks for 5-10 seconds) as there is no pressure, how quickly it goes out (showing that oil pressure is above minimum) is an indicater of your engine's health. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 862 Registered: 1-2001 |
We'll have to agree to disagree as I think the overall external construction of all three standpipe filters (UFI, Fram, Baldwin) is excellent (but I'd agree that the Fram internals are not the greatest). Since we're talking oil filters again, I just want to report that lubing both sides of the UFI D-ring and turning it over -- flat side to engine, round side to filter -- (as suggested by a Euro FLister) has worked well for me. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 160 Registered: 4-2001 |
Hi Steve, the Baldwin is a fine filter and I have no problems with it , but it is harder to get in my area. The K&N seems to be constructed stronger than the Baldwin though, and I can get it off the shelve. I have had a Fram filter collapse internally, Mobil 1 and Purolator filters drain back after shut down so the engine light came on when starting, and a UFI blow its seal... | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 861 Registered: 1-2001 |
David -- I don't want to dispute that a non-standpipe oil filter can work just fine on a 308, but all modern oil filters have anti-drainback valves so I can't agree that the K&N somehow "works much in the same manor [sic]". Did you find something lacking in the Baldwin B253? Roger -- do a search on "Baldwin" to get the source info. | ||
| Roger Blakeman (Roger)
New member Username: Roger Post Number: 32 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave-what exactly do you mean by anti-drain back valve? Does that mean that about a quart of oil is always retained in it and if you removed it the oil would dump on the engine?? I previously used an STP oil filter and when I removed it there was no spillage and the inside looks exactly like the K & N. So with the STP filter, the oil obviously drains back into the sump. And Tifosi1, who carries the Baldwin B253?? | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member Username: Dave Post Number: 159 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have been using the K&N for some time now. It does not have a standpipe, but an anti-drainback valve that works much in the same manor... I have never had a problem with it passing oil after shut down, and never had an oil light come on at startup. It's built like a tank and IMHO blows the doors off other filters. And before I get flamed, yes I have tried every other filter that fits my 308. | ||
| Kelly J. Vince (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 287 Registered: 2-2002 |
Use a Baldwin B253, i'm so impressed by the filter, I using it on all my cars and trucks. | ||
| Roger Blakeman (Roger)
New member Username: Roger Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2002 |
Is it o.k. to use p/n HP 3001 on my '80 308 GTSi???? Thanks, Roger B. |