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Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 590
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:03 am: | |
Sam -- my reference to the "C11" connector was for TRs only -- I don't know what it would be named on your 348. Your problem could still be elsewhere, but I just wanted to point out that it doesn't hurt to freshen/check these connection (just like Ric suggested about the connections on the starter/solenoid itself). |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
Member
Username: Sam
Post Number: 319
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 7:36 am: | |
Ric,
GOing to tackle this this weekend, do you know where this "c11" connector is in the 348 engine bay, ( I guess I will follow the wire back from the starter) In the manual I see that all the wires (batt. starter, alt) connect in one place to one connector so that should get cleaned even if I out in a new starter.
BRET,
Do you know the name cityof the rebuild guy. I am in NYC and if I recall you are in Elizabeth or somewhere close in NJ, so I could use him . |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 589
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 2:41 pm: | |
Sam -- (Not that it will make a big difference for the rebuilder, but) the Bosch Starter Bosch PN is usually given in the Electrical System Section of the General Specifications in the OM (if it isn't stamped somewhere on the starter itself). There also might be a connector in the engine bay (for the +12V start command line to the Starter Solenoid) that could use a little refreshing -- I had a similar occasional "nothing" when turning the key to the start position on my TR, and cleaning up the C11 connector (if memory serves) in the engine bay seems to have solved the problem. Of course, after I had removed the starter, disassembled/cleaned/lubed the solenoid mechanics, and checked/freshened the connections there (like Ric R. suggested) yet still had the occasional "nothing". |
Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
New member
Username: Ricrain
Post Number: 26
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 2:17 pm: | |
"Did you know what manufacture the starter is...? "
I'm fairly certain that all Ferraris since the mid-70's use Bosch starters. In any case, the 348 is a Bosch.
"Any tips(procedures) on R&R of starter...?"
It's really simple...
Turn of the battery.
Remove the air box (2 medium hoses, two inlet hoses, 4 10mm nuts, disconnect one or two MAFs).
Disconnect starter wires, including lug and one or two connectors.
Unbolt starter.
...that's about it. Reverse the order to install, and don't forget to reprogram your radio and clock. :-)
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BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1969
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 2:05 pm: | |
It's a relatively common starter at least on the QV, it's not super common though but they'll probably have parts in stock, if not then can get them quick. My starter was really easy to pull from underneath, just three long bolts, disconnect the electrics on the solenoid, and out she came. My dad's friend owns a shop, did it for like $35, parts cost. Well worth it, the 308 turns over like an absolute beast now. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Username: Sam
Post Number: 318
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 1:50 pm: | |
Many thanks for the quick repsonse.
Ric,
Any tips(procedures) on R&R of starter. Will most likely do this myself as the starter seems to be hanging right at the rear. I think I will do the rebuild as well better deal than the $400 or so new from Rutlands.
Did you know what manufacture the starter is so that I can call the rebuilld shops and ask them. When I say Ferrari they just laugh and say forget it, or bring it in and we will take a look. But I don't have time to go from shop to shop with this starter.
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Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
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Username: Ricrain
Post Number: 25
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 7:55 am: | |
Actually, believe it or not, there is grease involved in the flywheel, but that's not likely to be the problem.
80% probability that the starter needs to be rebuilt. It's very easy to get to. I just did this on my 348. It took a total of less than one hour for both removal and reinstallation. A local starter shop rebuilt it for around $100.
The other 20% probability is the main contact lg at the starter. These are somewhat prone to corrosion. Cleaning the big connector (with the battery turned off!!) may help.
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Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Junior Member
Username: Eurocardoc
Post Number: 218
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 6:00 am: | |
I have some beachfront property for sale in AZ!
Sounds like the starter needs rebuilt. |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 1678
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 12:58 am: | |
Grease flywheel? No, your mechanic has sniffed funny fumes before speaking to you.
Your best bet is the starter solenoid is acting up. You, or another mechanic should remove the starter and have that rebuilt. |
Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
Member
Username: Sam
Post Number: 317
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 12:47 am: | |
Weird? about 30% of the time my Mondial T's starter will not turn over. I have replaced battery (new optima) and alternator. the other 70% of the time the starter turns over strong and true. Seems to be more frequent after a run (heat?) but not exclusively. Starter is 6 years old to the day. I am suspecting the starter or poor connection somewhere. New starter is $400 or so, does anyone know if this is a common starter (GM, DELCO, BOSCH) or a good source for rebuilt. My mechanic tells me it is due to not enough special agip grease in the flywheel and he will need to pull the bell housing to grease flywheel and fix problem (??????)-sounds a little weird to me.
STRONGER ALT?
Also would like a upgraded alternator (stereo system) but don't know what type of alt. it is (Delco, Bosch etc.)
any info would help |