| Author | Message | ||
| Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Junior Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 106 Registered: 11-2001 |
Thanks for the tip. The Eastwood Wrinkle Paint is great. The picture included is only half as nice as it looks in person. It does take a full 24 hours to cure and harden, otherwise you will pill some off by touching it. $9 for a can, $8 for shipping, but it is worth it.  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1336 Registered: 12-2000 |
Steve. Yes, as far as I know. Someone let me know if not. I asked about getting new wires and was suprised how expensive they run, so I just WD-40'd them. | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Junior Member Username: Steve Post Number: 125 Registered: 2-2001 |
Rob super job! Also Are those the stock plug wires for a 328? | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 313 Registered: 3-2001 |
That looks great, Rob! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 217 Registered: 11-2001 |
Beautiful job, Rob!! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1323 Registered: 12-2000 |
Here's the completed air plenum.  Here's the engine bay after air plenum completed and "Rub & Buff". The "Rub & Buff" works great, but it is taking more time than I expected, it's hard to get in all the areas and to apply a nice even finish. It looks great now, but it will take years to get everything.  For my entire engine bay detailing and restore project, please see the "Parts & Service" section. Only thing left to do is air box and fix trunk zipper. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
Junior Member Username: 328infoseeker Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sounds like a Dremel Drill job? Many small sanding and buffing tools. I have one if you need it? Ron | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1292 Registered: 12-2000 |
Check "Parts and Service" for the only pics so far. I'll take pics this weekend as it is now. The three things I have left to do are... 1) Rub and Buf the block. 2) Restore air box. 3) Fix trunk zipper. I've been happy with the project. Not much money and only a little time to really make the engine bay look great. It's the heart of Ferrari anyway. After not driving it for 9 days, I had it out tonight up to 7k or so a few times. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rob...POST PICS!!!! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1289 Registered: 12-2000 |
I finished scraping and sanding the ridges. It actually came out nicer than I thought. I had been worried about a few scratches, but they were all shallow and came right out. I was worried about chipping, but it looks like the paint is really sticking. I think the only thing I could do at all is buff the ridges a little more. The lines between the paint and bare metal are all perfectly straight. A few of the things that worked well, after a few dozen that didn't... razor blade worked better than a scraping knife. It was flatter and didn't scratch. Using heavy sand paper folded over to kinda shovel the paint off the ridges actually worked well on the letters. The razor blade was great on the lines, but couldn't maneuver for the letters. The final thing that really helped was a special sander bit that was really soft, but there were sand paper strips coming out from the bit in a star pattern with the soft material inbetween. I think if you saw it you would understand. That really worked well to get the paint residue off, buff the sracthes out, and then give it a good shine. Quick too. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1704 Registered: 12-2000 |
I think if you apply a clear coat over the bare metal, it may "yellow" with heat. If you can find a Hi-Temp clear... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1267 Registered: 12-2000 |
So know one recomends a spray after the sanding is done? Seems like there would be something good to protect both the metal and paint. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Junior Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 201 Registered: 11-2001 |
Rob, What worked well (and very fast) for me was to sand (with fine / medium grit) just the EDGES only of the lettering / ribs. The lettering then looked like it had red with silver outline (but just enough of an outline to expose the metal surface underneath - don't want to over do it). Then I took an xacto blade (or razor blade) to peel back the remaining paint on the flat surfaces of the lettering, etc. -- this process didn't scratch the metal surfaces underneath (if your careful), and the paint peeled back just like you were scraping paint off of glass. Your plenum is looking great, by the way! Keep us posted on the progress. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1254 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, that's the engine bay without the rear bonnet. You can tell I wasn't taking any chances. So far the sanding of the raised portions hasn't gone well. Even a day later the wrinkle paint was still a little wet. Which was good to knife off, but not good for the sanding. I will continue sanding and buffing this weekend. Also, the metal is very easily scratched. Is there anything people can suggest besides going to finer sand paper? Also, when the raised portions look good, do you recomend some type of protectant spray for the paint and metal? thanks | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rob, I'm assuming the newspaper and towels are surrounding the car engine bay? Let us know how sanding off the raised letters turns out! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1700 Registered: 12-2000 |
Good job Rob. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1251 Registered: 12-2000 |
 This will be the first page on the new "Parts and Service" section when I'm finally done with the project. So far I've just painted and started the sanding of the lettering and ridges. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Junior Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 247 Registered: 10-2001 |
Has anyone tried to repaint the air plenum bolted to the air-intake runners (e.g. not removing the plenum)? Seems like a pain in the ass to remove. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 1697 Registered: 12-2000 |
Great photos Richard. | ||
| Richard Stephens (Dino2400)
New member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2001 |
You can also put vaseline on the lettering or anywhere that you don't want paint to stick, and then just wipe it off after the paint dries. I painted the "dino" script in silver and then vaselined it before painting the covers with black wrinkle finish I had bought at Kragen auto (in California). It didn't come out as good as I'd have liked but I'm glad I didn't spend anymore time on it because the cam covers took a bit of a beating installing the engine and getting it all set up anyway. I'll repaint them when I go to adjust the valves and can put them back on carefully. I've never had success posting a photo here so go to the following link if you want to see what it looks like on my engine: http://3jar.com/rich/dino/pages/25_rich%26engine.htm | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Junior Member Username: Steve Post Number: 120 Registered: 2-2001 |
Home Depot , Auto-zone , NAPA , Big A , Lowe's home lumber stores are my usual outlets and you can go to J.C. Whitney , Jeg's , Eastwoods and most like paint stores. | ||
| Verell Boaen (Verell)
Junior Member Username: Verell Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2001 |
I've used ItalianCarParts black wrinkle paint on my cam covers. Looks great. Degreased them w/parts cleaner, rinsed it off w/water, then used lacquer thinner to get any residue off. Gave it a layer of SEM self-etching primer & let it dry for several hours. Then gave it 4 coats of black wrinkle paint. Let it flash off for 15 min between coats. Let it dry for a couple of days. Nice deep wrinkles. Cleaned off the letters with a razor blade scraper. Sanded the letters with 360 grit on a block. Stroke back & forth so the scratch marks are horizontal & give a 'brushed' effect. Some people recommend flat-filing instea d of sanding. Use masking tape to protect flat areas anywhere near where you're sanding. Otherwise it's easy to slip & sand off some of your wrinkles(duh). You can touchup such sanded down areas with wrinkle paint, but it's hard to get anywhere near a match to the original texture. Should have scraped/sanded the primer off of the top of the letters and around the upper edges of their corners before using the wrinkle paint. There's a thin edge of grey primer visable around the raised letters. You have to know it's there to spot it, but I know it's there. | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
New member Username: Eric Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jerry, Thanks, my GTC was originally sold by the Grand Prix Motors (now Ferrari of Seattle) and has been owned by several Seattle area guys all its life. It's unrestored and in original condition with just a few changes along the way by previous owners(5-point harness replaces seatbelts and had a "modern" stereo when I got it). It has always been serviced by Ferrari of Seattle, and has a complete, consistent service history with them. It's in terrific codition, but not a Councours winner/garage queen. I have put several thousand miles on it in the 18 months I've owned it, and plan to put quite a few more on it this year. I'm thinking I'll drive it down to Monterey this year for Concorso Italiano - Can't wait to get it out on Hwy 1. We had it down there last year, but had trailered it there, and really wished we were driving it down the coast (not that we had a bad time in the 456 mind you). Every time we went anywhere while in Monterey, it was so much more fun to take the GTC, that we hardly drove the other car at all while there. Best story I have about the car, is when I had owned it for two weeks, I went out to the garage to check on it (had been a couple hours without looking at it, you know) and when I passed between the work bench and the car, brushed against a C-clamp laying on the bench, and knocked it off the bench. It took a nice arcing flight, inevitably headed for the leading edge of the nose of the GTC. Hey, got that first ding out of the way real fast. It's still there to remind me to keep the garage clean. I'll get it fixed soon as I can find a local body shop/dent wizard dude I trust and is local. I'm sure we must be related at some level - there just aren't that many of us out there. My dad's family was from Southern California a couple generations back, and from there, I'll have to check with my dad. | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
New member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2002 |
I used the Eastwood black wrinkle paint and had excellent results. Check it out at: http://home.earthlink.net/~robertgarven/index.html Rob | ||
| Jerry H (Jerry)
Junior Member Username: Jerry Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2001 |
Eric, I love your car! Any stories about it? Are we related? | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
New member Username: Eric Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2001 |
Eastwood carries a good selection of wrinkle paint and other car goodies. I've ordered several items over the past year and been very pleased with their products and responsiveness. Been meaning to try out their powder coat kits. There's even a wrinkle finish powder coat that sounds like it might be the ticket for valve covers and other engine area components. Anyone ever used one of these kits? http://www.eastwoodcompany.com. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 568 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hehe, very funny guys. How about just moving to Nevada? Seriously now. Is it really that bad in California? | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
Junior Member Username: Markg Post Number: 134 Registered: 2-2001 |
Know what you mean! When I lived in the People Republic of Cali I would stock up on paint etc. on trips to Nevada!! | ||
| Mitchell Minh Le (Yelcab1)
Junior Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2001 |
Guys Living in the socialist state of California, it is difficult to find wrinkle paint for the valve covers and air filter housing. Do you have any suggestion? |