| Author | Message | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2001 |
I am gald that it will be an easy fix. Hope your job situation will improove too. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1926 Registered: 12-2000 |
Norwoods says that the 328 had already been updated, that some of the 308's needed it, but all 328's should be ok. Mine just needs a new seal to keep the oil from getting in. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rob, I know you've already received input below about the coil. My only addition to the thread is that the same exact thing has happened to me and my 308. The coil for the rear bank wasn't generating enough juice to give a complete burn to the rear bank. When I pulled the rear bank plugs, they were black and wet. While my exhaust wasn't orange, it was definitely hot enough that I had fire extinguisher in hand. This seems to be one of the most common problems on the 308s/328s. | ||
| z. b. (Cheeseman)
New member Username: Cheeseman Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2002 |
make sure and check your oil and see if it is diluted with gas. you can smell it in the oil. if your back bank was dumping gas into the cylinders then the gas runs past the rings and fills the crankcase, so changing the oil is a good idea. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1914 Registered: 12-2000 |
Nick said there is an update, but you have to get from dealer. | ||
| Christian (Christiank)
Member Username: Christiank Post Number: 348 Registered: 1-2001 |
Common problem. There is an update on that. Ask Nick, he has the information. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1904 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK, here's the story so far. The back bank wasn't getting spark, but up through the coils was fine. Took the Cam/Distributor cover off and oil was everywhere. Looks like a bad seal between the cap and cam. Not only was there oil everywhere, but the rotor was fried with dried carbon/oil stuff all over it. After everything is cleaned and a new rotor and seal are put in, we'll let everyone know. I guess the spark couldn't get through the oil and crud to the leeds. FYI, I asked James what can be done if it happens again stuck out on the road and he basically said nothing. It really can't be a road side fix. For root causes, because these were replaced 2 years ago at the major, he said many of the Ferraris using synthetic oil have leak problems. A 360 had a rear main seal start leaking the first time they switched to synthetic. However, although they usually put natural in, he doesn't have anything against synthetic. | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 128 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey Rob, If its an ignition problem, wouldnt it be the perfect time to change over to the direct fire system and not have to buy the expensive ferrari parts. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
Junior Member Username: Davidpra Post Number: 110 Registered: 2-2001 |
Oh yeah... many times before... Check the ignition. Missing and late firing dumps unburnt fuel into the exhaust which burns there under the residual heat, which only gets hotter. A very common cause is a defective crank sensor for the affected bank. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 552 Registered: 4-2002 |
rob im sure your wife had something to do with it,(as per toms comment) my 2 cents  bruce | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1077 Registered: 9-2001 |
Rob, could also be the exhaust sensors. BTW maybe she was pissed at you for hanging out with all those other women | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1882 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yep, looks like you guys are right so far. I called James at Norwoods this morning and this is exactly what he said. Either distributor or coils or something with ignition isn't getting spark to half the cylinders. So fuel is going in and getting burnt on the cats. Talking about a fire hazard! I'll give you the final verdict after he can take a look. Thanks for everyone's help. | ||
| Kevin Moore (Kevinm)
New member Username: Kevinm Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2001 |
If I had to guess I would say Lawrence is on track. I think both the 308 and 328 have dual distributors. If one distributor fails fuel is still pumped into the cylinder. The unburned fuel is then exhausted and runs into the cat. This probably explains why you had a bright orange exhaust. Kevin M '87 328 GTS Saratoga Ny | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2002 |
Recently I saw a 308 at Road Atlanta come into the pits with red hot exhaust and lack of power. Its problem was a closed up set of points on one of the distributors. While you don't have points, you could have a bad coil or something of that ilk. Misfiring will make the exhaust glow. The chap at the track opened the points and continued to run it on the track. There was no problem from that point on. | ||
| Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member Username: Man90tr Post Number: 590 Registered: 4-2001 |
My TR did the same today. Identical to Bruno's symptoms. Limped home just like Rob keeping it under 4K. I may have a couple things going on. Look under that post as Caribe helped me find another issue. Gotta love our toys. | ||
| James H. (Jamesh)
Junior Member Username: Jamesh Post Number: 125 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rob, Sounds more like a blockage in your exhaust than a fuel pump. I believe it can be check with a vacuum gauge. If you dont mind disturbing the neightbors, unhook your muffler and cat and start it up and see if it will rev up. Dont run it too long without the exhaust, just long enough to see if it solves the problem. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 274 Registered: 5-2002 |
If its the pump its the 3.rd one posted today. The heat must finnish these things off. My 250 did the same thing when the pump went.That was easy to diagnose cause I could hear the bearings grind. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 273 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dont know what cost will be . It just happened an hour ago. It is 100% the pump. It was so bad this time I barely made it home. Thus diagnosis was easy.I was at about 50% power for 10 miles home.Opened up engine compartment. Turned key to on without starting car. Could hear pump barely moving. Pulled line. Almost no flow at all. The pressure should squirt across the garage on these pumps.There is a gauge that can be put on to messure pressure if you are not sure it is your pump. Remember mine worked cold ok.First 30 minutes drive today wre 70-100mph no hickups. This time it just gave up the ghost. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 398 Registered: 3-2001 |
FP good thing to check. There is a company that rebuilds Bosch fuel pumps. I think Bruno has a 78' 308 so his pump is different than the Bosch roller cell FI pump. I thought of the cat due to the exhaust being bright red. When a cat is going the car loses power and will eventually choke itself out on exhaust gases. There are lots of items to check but these are a few good items to start with. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1879 Registered: 12-2000 |
cats are still on there, I just read the other post right now about the TR with similar symptoms, I can't fix the fuel pump, but I guess I can check the fuses. Bruno, did they rebuild your fuel pump or what was the fix? Thanks. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 271 Registered: 5-2002 |
Rob that is what happened to me in my 308 . Same EXACT symptoms. It was my fuel pump. It worked ok when cold. As soon as I take car out in hotter weather it starts to seize. I can hear the sound difference. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 397 Registered: 3-2001 |
Rob do you still have your cats and smog gear on the car? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1878 Registered: 12-2000 |
Well, this is the first time I've ever had something go wrong with the Ferrari while actually driving it after 5k miles. Norwood's had it the past week and I picked it up and drove it home with no problems. Yesterday I drove it to the Exotic Car World event, Hooters, the Sonic car show, and then a bar with no problems. Going home last night about 4 miles into the drive all of a sudden the car wouldn't rev past 4,500 or so. It wasn't making any unusual noises, the water temp was normal, the oil temp was normal, the oil pressure was normal, and no error messages were being displayed. I kept driving it, because in 4th gear, 4k RPM were still moving me along. It just wouldn't rev and the power felt about 50% gone. Well, after about another 4 miles of this I decided to pull over and check in a gas station. The exhaust was orange hot and smoke was coming from the exhaust, not out the tips, but the actual exhaust. I let it cool down and being 1am and only a few miles from home, I limped it back. I kept it really slow, where before I was right on the 4k. When I got home the exhaust wasn't glowing orange like before, but the power had never come back. This morning the only thing I could think to check was the air intakes were blocked, but they were clear and the air box was clear. I started it up, but it still is down about 50% on power and sounds quieter. It doesn't sound like cylinders are missing, just that I have a Fiat now, instead of a Ferrari. Please please advise. |