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Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
Member
Username: Eurocardoc
Post Number: 345
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:43 pm: | |
The clutch can be assembled incorrectly and will give a very stiff 1st gear selection, like the others, I suggest having it checked. (ask me how I know) |
Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member
Username: Man90tr
Post Number: 603
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 5:43 pm: | |
Same here for me as Caribe, I guess I get lucky. I can get to 2nd gear even when cold with no problem. But no free lunch, in as it would be nice if she would stop eating fuseboxes. I have learned with these cars if its not one thing its another. Enjoy the experience.
As for the advice given, check the tran and clutch. If it was not had to shoft before it could easily be one of the tranny forks. In either case follow Chirstiank advice and get it looked at now. |
Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member
Username: Caribe
Post Number: 382
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 3:00 pm: | |
Ernest, I think Christian might be correct. The clutch probably wasn't installed correctly. I have a 1990 TR and I do not have the problems that others mentioned. The only difficulty I have, and it seems to be a random occurrence, is getting into first gear at a stop. It sometimes requires a little more muscle than normal, but never impossible to get into any gear regardless of temperature. |
Christian (Christiank)
Member
Username: Christiank
Post Number: 350
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:17 pm: | |
My guess is that whoever replaced the clutch did it WRONG. Easily done on a TR. Bring the cvar to somebody who know those cars and have him check the thing. |
Michael N. (Man90tr)
Member
Username: Man90tr
Post Number: 600
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:06 pm: | |
I would think if the car was tracked your clutch replacement would be very different. In normal driving yes, 18,000 is low, but for a car that does, say, 3 or so track days a year I would think the wear is much faster. |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
Junior Member
Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 59
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:42 pm: | |
Ernest - sounds normal to me. All TRs (and 246 Dino's, and most mid engine old Ferraris) have difficulty with 2nd gear while cold. I avoid 2nd while cold. In addition, even with the clutch fully depressed, one does not get full separation of pressure plate from disk. This can be demonstrated when parking on a slight hill in 1st gear. Despite depressing clutch, it is difficult to get the transmission into neutral. Despite this, when moving from rest in 1st gear, the car does not start moving until the clutch is near the top of its travel.
With that backdrop, just accept 2nd gear fickleness when cold. However, the other gears should not be too challenging. At rest, reverse sometimes needs teasing (touch 1st or 2nd before depressing shift lever into reverse).
If you are having a great deal of difficulty, and you have removed all the debris from the gated shift well, you might consider placing the car in 2nd gear, releasing the shift rod clamp entering the gear box (requires lifting the car) and then moving the shift gear lever around. Then place the shift gear lever back into 2nd and retighten linkage. The forks might be off a fraction, and you are fighting the alignment in the transmission itself.
Just some thoughts.
Jim Selevan |
Henryk (Henryk)
Junior Member
Username: Henryk
Post Number: 106
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:37 pm: | |
I have had 8 Ferraris and NEVER replaced a clutch after 18,000 miles.......I used to put on 10,000 miles a year, but, with other commitments, I am down to 5,000 miles per year.
Any adjustments in the clutch would be minimal, if any, improvement to your condition.
I can only think of 2 scenerios that would explain your problem:
One: The previous owner beat the hell out of the car. In which case there will be other problems very soon.
Two: The previous owner disconnected the odometer.......which is very easy to do on a TR, and your car has a lot more miles on it than you think.........remember, it is ONLY miles that dictate the price.
I have an 88TR with 63,000 miles. The clutch was replaced once, at about 50,000 miles, which would seem normal to me. Why one would have to replace it after only 18,000 miles would indicate one of the above two scenarios. I can't help but be amazed at all the Ferraris that had a clutch replacement with so little miles......then why do many people think that these engines, etc., are "bullet proof". Something is wrong!!!!!!!!!!
Be prepared to rebuild your transmission.......and possibly the engine, because your synchros are going!!!!!!!!!!
Did you check with the Ferrari Market Letter on your car, to see what miles it had on it, when it was for sale, at previous times.
I will not consider another Ferrari until I have checked with FML.
I hope the rest of your problems will be minor.
Hank
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Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
Junior Member
Username: Sngsmgaolcom
Post Number: 68
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:16 pm: | |
Ernest,
I know it sounds simple, but when I pulled my chromed gate off to replace it with a speed gate from Titanium Cavalino, you would not believe the garbage that had found its way down to the bottom of the shifter.
I pulled 12 years of crud out, along with 2 loose washers, and a cut off zip tie. My shifter instantly became twice as easy to use, with far less effort.
You might want to take yours off and check. You have to take off the shift knob and the 2 screws.
HTH
Scott
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Ernest Riggen (Ernest)
New member
Username: Ernest
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 26, 2002 - 7:54 pm: | |
I'm becoming less than satisfied with the shifting on my TR (25,000 miles - new clutch at 18,000 miles). I bought it shortly after the new clutch. At first cold 2nd was a challenge which was okay with me, but now, it seems each gear is eligible for problems - then the next shift it might be fine! AT a dead stop first might be a real pain! At about 19,000 miles I drained and put in Mobil 1.
If it was any other car I would look to adjust the clutch but the repair manual claims no adjustment is required.
Any ideas?
Thanks as always. |
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