| Author | Message | ||
| Trevor Chowning (Raceamerica)
New member Username: Raceamerica Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2002 |
In reply to Rob's message: My post was not initially a commercial message, I was simply asking opinions to create a more suitable event for those who may be interested. I answered questiones posed by members & that's about it really. Those who were interested emailed me & I replied to them directly. Secondly Rob, as you seemingly forgot, I emailed you requesting your ad rates at least 2 weeks before I made that post & again, asking for information on what browser to use to best view the site, so I had no intentions of obtaining a "freebie". I saw you had Marcus' event as a sponsor & was planning to initiate advertising on your site once his event passed as it is scheduled for February & mine isn't until June. It would be silly of me and unfair to Marcus to do otherwise. Also, Tim, the prices of these events are as high as they are due to the costs involved, not only participant expenses such as hotels, events & food, but to cover insurance, promotion & advertising. As you may know, I do have a 50% off rate until January 31st for those who can't afford the full rate. If I offended anyone I apologize, but I feel it is also unfair for presumptions to be made when I clearly intended to advertise on the site once the Player's ads were finished. If it is of any value, I will offer 20% off the rate schedule to Ferrari chat members who identify themselves as such. You will have to email me first for the entry code to put on the entry form. Thank you, Trevor Chowning www.greatamericanrally.com email:[email protected] | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1798 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is it just me or does it seem like these rallys are springing up left and right? hopefully now that there are so many, the price will go wayyy down. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3068 Registered: 12-2000 |
Trevor, You can't come on here and post a commercial message as your first post ever. I don't expect that I will ever see you post anything about your Rally on here ever again. How can we trust you that you're legit? I've never received a cent from you to advertise and every single user on here should be very offended that you're trying to get a freebie from our hard work. Each user is free to use this board because of our paying sponsors. Just a warning, no big deal. Please move on. By the way, we do have a legit cross country rally sponsor in http://www.playersrun.com/ . | ||
| Adam R (Arymarcz)
New member Username: Arymarcz Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin, I'm not sure how much experience you've had on bikes, but the elements beat the hell out of you on a cross country trip. It's not just the rain (that's actually not too bad), but the sun and wind can make things really difficult. Having a cabin when you travel is quite nice! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 553 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rodney, that's awesome... it must be great to have a companion who's into these things... i would kill to do a cross country race... | ||
| Rodney Haas (Icars)
Junior Member Username: Icars Post Number: 68 Registered: 3-2002 |
My wife Marci did the Cannonball a few years ago. * To much driving a day. Missed dinner a couple of times * The Food was "to tray gourmet" * Bypassed several items of great interest. Her and her co driver ended up taking several side trips on the way. She also kind of had enough several times and wanted me to arrange Air tickets back... She did end up completing it, and oh yah repaired the car cross country. She was in a 66 4 door prototype Cadillac convertible. After her experience I am likely to stick to the cross California kind of rally. Or the Road Runner.. Of course Marci is still planning on doing the Rally de princess in France within the next couple of years ;) Rodney Haas [email protected] Plano, TX USA http://www.maffiacarclub.com Maserati, ALFA, Ferrari, FIAT, Italian Automobiles 72 Maserati Euro Indy 73 Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2 81 Fiat Spider 86 Maserati Spyder Looking for a nice Maserati Mexico | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3479 Registered: 5-2001 |
$10K you can rent a sail boat in the caribbean for 2 weeks. I could register in 40 track event days @ $250 each. To answer your question, I will be driving with Bret. I can not take my slicks with me unless I enter another supply vehicle (ghee, here goes another $10K) which makes track events pretty useless. Seeing the country is definetely a nce thing and on my list of things I want to do in a Ferrari and/or a Harley. Doing it in a rush is not my favorable way to do it. Truth, and only since you asked, I woudl rather register with the PanAmerica race and do this historic race one day than an expensive Cannonball-Wannabe. just my 2c | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1773 Registered: 6-2001 |
somthing doesnt add up. its in june 2003 and you havent started to plan it yet? | ||
| Trevor Chowning (Raceamerica)
New member Username: Raceamerica Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2002 |
The early Bird rate is in place to make the event more palatable for those on a budget but I also am hopeful that if we get enough sponsors on board, I may be able to reduce the standard rate a bit as well. Thanks for the input. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 210 Registered: 8-2002 |
If i did this, i'd drive myself... if repairs were necessary- unless they were minor, i don't know if i would be able to continue... gas, food, etc, i think i can handle... i plan on giving the tax man a little of his own medicine next year so the early bird special rate looks feasible... the higher rate is beyond my capabilities of affording... | ||
| Trevor Chowning (Raceamerica)
New member Username: Raceamerica Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi DES, Please clarify what you mean exactly by cost. I'm not sure if you mean the entry fees which I mentioned below or if you are asking about additional costs. If you mean what are the costs aside from those covered I would say the following would be a good list: * Fuel (depends on your mileage) * Repairs (hopefully not needed!) * Additonal meals (We provide one organized meal each day where everyone gathers, either at the start of the day or late in the evening after everyone has had time to arrive at the next checkpoint). * Transporting your car to & from the start & finish points (varies depending on if you are shipping, driving, etc. * Your personal transport to the start & finish (flight, or driving in your car) That's all I can think of off hand. Trevor www.greatamericanrally.com | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 199 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jordan, do it and take me with you...!  Trevor, how much would this cost me if i did it in my car...? Be real with me, give me every mandatory cost... | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
New member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2002 |
1) I live in LA so its sort of hard for me to make it our to Washington for the start. It wouldn't be doable this year, but next year or the year after for sure. Id prefer to bring my own car rather than rent one, the costs would be sky high! 2) I would say 6-10 hours. Anything lower adn people would get bored. Anything higher and it might be dangerous because people could get tired and their reflexes could slow down. 3) I would say it should be more loosely based where people just arrive whenever they can and are allowed to take their own pace. 4) I think the events should be car/event related mostly. I dont think I'd be interested in clubbing or anything like that. I think the point of a Long Distance Rally should be to have fun and interact with other owners who lvoe their cars. There should be lots of cool events to do besides driving, but I think they should stick to cars and/or something relating to the rally event. 5) I would definetly take someone with me! | ||
| Trevor Chowning (Raceamerica)
New member Username: Raceamerica Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks for the replies. To address several replies in one message... Yes you could run the cross country aspect alone cheaper but your cost evaluation left out the track events we will have such as road courses, drag competitions, and am as yet unrevealed special track event. If you were to pay for these yourself you quickly approach the asking price. Also, the rally is as much about the camaraderie of travelling with a bunch of car guys as it is anything else. The cost is $9,500 but I do have an Early Bird rate of $4,750 which is available only while we are working to confirm exactly what the special events will be, etc. Basically, you take a small risk that you don't know exactly where track events & lodging will be if you sign up at the reduced rate. This helps the guys who don't have as much money to spend who couldn't afford to participate at the full rate later. Yes, you can drive a Nissan or any other car you like. That is the primary difference between what I am doing and the other rally events I have seen. I don't plan night after night of chi-chi black tie events & force you to supply us with all yor personal & vehicle information with a promise that I will get back to those who "made the cut" and meet certain standards. I want car guys (and gals) who want to go on a journey like this and enjoy themselves for a week making new friends & creating memories. Drive your Ferrari or your Ford Explorer if you so choose. This is intended to be a tour of America that I decided to do because I personally have a greater appreciation for what America is these days so I wanted to see her first hand with a group of people whos company I would enjoy. We will have dinners, gatherings, and options to go clubbing, etc. for those who enjoy nightlife, but you can do what you want to do. No black tie except at the awards gala if you so choose. This is about people and their cars, not attitudes or elitism. Trevor Chowning main site: www.greatamericanrally.com email me: [email protected] yahoo group for updates: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greatamericanrally/ | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3128 Registered: 2-2001 |
The reason I will probably never do one of these rallies is because they're expensive as hell. I could get a small group myself and put together a trip for much less. Let's say the rally takes 5 days to get across the country. gas money (not included ) = $400 lodging at $100 a night = $500 how much food can I eat in 5 days? = $250 you can't fit anything in the ferrari so it's not like you can come back with a truck load of souvenirs if you were so inclined = $250 Oil, coolant, etc = $100 So a trip I can take for $1500 these rallies charge $10000 for and don't included $500 of what I'm including in my trip. Even if you stay at a $250 a night hotel and eat at fancy restaurants you're only getting into the $2500-3000 range. So this leaves the organizer with like 300% profit. I'm sure you can nitpick and say it's seven days not five, the places cost more, etc. but for me a rally would be about driving the Ferrari, not black tie smooching etc from 6pm - 11pm everynight. Just my $.02 to explain why I wont do one. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 179 Registered: 8-2002 |
1). When you say "inclined", i gather you mean financially able, am i correct...? Am i also to assume that i couldn't participate in this, in my... Nissan...? 2). By myself, i could do minimum, 8 hours drive. (Ok, now hit me- what's something like this cost...?) 3). By nature, i'm a competitive person. 4). The events seem kinda nice, actually... if those could somehow be incorporated into the rally, without slighting that competitive edge, that would make the rally well worth whatever it costs to get in. 5). My best friend would be my first candidate for me to take, however, i don't have the money nor the appropriate car to engage in something like this... (however, if there is someone out there who will be entering this and they need a navigator or- dare i say it- a driver!, i'm your man...!) | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2046 Registered: 9-2001 |
one of this sites sponsors is already doing this. | ||
| Trevor Chowning (Raceamerica)
New member Username: Raceamerica Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
I am organizing a cross country road event for June of 2003 in the United States (www.greatamericanrally.com) and have a few questions for the group. You may post your replies here or email me directly at [email protected] You may simply list the numbers and then your answers so no need to cut & paste the original questions. 1) It will be from Washington, DC to Los Angeles, CA...if you are the sort to be inclined to participate, would your interest be limited by your location, meaning if you live in Europe would you consider it too much fuss to ship your vehicle to the states and back, or would you rent a suitable auto in America instead? 2) What do you consider the longest reasonable stretch for a day's driving? Would you do 6 hours, 10 hours, more? I am encouraging teams to be comprised of 2 members (the fee covers two drivers with no penalty in cost) to share the duties or at least have a dedicated navigator but the route should still be easily handled by those going alone. 3) Do you prefer timed and officiated rally style checkpoints or a more flexible event whereas you set your own pace & simply make it to the next checkpoint by the end of each day? 4) We are organizing events such as museum tours, historic race track visits, drag strip competitions, dinners, awards gala, closing ceremony, possibly a closed road course, some surprises, and even some nightlife at clubs for those who don't require sleep. Do you feel these detract from the point of a long distance rally or do you enjoy these events scattered throughout the route because they allow you to get to know other participants, etc.? 5) Finally, would you prefer to do an event like this solo, or with a friend, relative, co-worker, or the like? Thanks to everyone willing to offer their opinions! Trevor Chowning Founder & C.E.O. (Chief Exhilaration Officer) Great American Rally www.greatamericanrally.com email: [email protected] |