| Author | Message | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 366 Registered: 4-2002 |
Morons. I am not talking about everyone in this thread, however, ..If you think I am talking about you, I am. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1992 Registered: 6-2001 |
My beleif in god is faith. belive in bigfoot? how am i supposed to have faith in what is probably a gorilla that escaped from a zoo? | ||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 176 Registered: 8-2002 |
O.K. so we believe in invisible super beings but can't fathom the possibility of other creatures living deep in the forest for millenia as well as some pretty wild living organisms deep in the worlds oceans. I've seen UFO's maybe some goverments have some insanely trick flying machines that can stop midair and change direction at right angles,what do i know? No Bigfoot,Yeti or Sasquash bodies,shoud've found one by now huh?how about the alleged Atlanta bomber?didn't he run off into the woods with hundreds if not thousands of police,FBI and assorted other bounty hunters only to never be seen again? So much unexplained crap out there. btw,why is it that when people say that there can't possibly be life out in space they compare it to our own set of requirements? i mean other life forms could run on battery acid or kool-aid for all we know. just my 0.02 worth of incoherent gibberish,i just woke up,that's my story and i'm sticking to it.  | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1973 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ive got one for you www.arliehaslost2argumentsthisweekanddoesntknowwhentogiveup.com or www.whogivesadamn.com | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 615 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bigfoot is smart. They have been known to kill grizzly bears, skin them, wrap the pelt around themselves, then amble across the road on all fours so that they aren't discovered as being a Bigfoot. See www.bigfootisatyourbackdoor.com | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1213 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, i'm still at work... But i'm here pretty casually, so it's cool if i laugh, but still... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1972 Registered: 6-2001 |
Its only a matter of time before they add bigfoot to that page. Statistically, they are waaayyy overdue to be hit by cars. i predict a vast bigfoot roadkill crisis in the not so distant future. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1212 Registered: 8-2002 |
The word 'target' is in the link... ha ha ha, i think that's funny, considering the cicumstances... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1970 Registered: 6-2001 |
After more investigation, it seems that getting hit by cars is one of the major causes of death for grizzly bears, along with other animals such as lynx, ocelots, panthers, key deer and pronghorn. theres a whole webpage devoted to protecting these animals from becoming road kill. http://www.defenders.org/habitat/highways/new/target/grizzly.html DES- i just read that gizzlys can weigh between 300 and 800lbs. thats probably worse than hitting a moose! i think i'd make the sacrifce for a bigfoot. actually, i think i would slow down enough so that i didnt get hurt and the bigfoot only got maimed. Hes sure to be worth much more alive than dead. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1211 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh- awesome picture, by the way... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1210 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tim... um, word to the wise... You'd total your freakin' car...! i nailed the head of a deer and his noggin shattered my entire left headlight unit... it'll be $175 before i've got two working lights again... Not mention the body damage to the side of the car, that his body caused when i slammed into his face and his body swung around and crashed into my door... a grizzly or, um Bigfoot (snicker) would total your ride... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1969 Registered: 6-2001 |
im trying again  it looks like the car is aming for the freakin thing! that is what i would do if the bear was bigfoot and i was driving. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1968 Registered: 6-2001 |
Arlie, i'm not sure when the last time was, but it definately has happened.  http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/wildlifecrossings/photo04.htm | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1206 Registered: 8-2002 |
www.i'mlaughingmyfriggin'assoff!.com | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 611 Registered: 5-2002 |
Tim, educate me please. Grizzly bears exist. When was the last time that one was killed by a car? Here's another website: www.ifIveneverseenitthenitisnttrue.com | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1967 Registered: 6-2001 |
Arlie, the scientific course of action would be to pop a cap in bigfoot's ass. You could learn alot from a dead one. Also, think how much a real dead bigfoot would be worth. you would also prove to the world that they do exist. Im sure if bigfoots existed, they would get hit by cars and we would find them dead on the side of highways. OH, btw, i saw a unicorn when i was walking in the woods a few weeks ago. it was being ridden by a leprochaun. you can read about it at www.unicornswithleprochaunsridingthemsociety.com | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1204 Registered: 8-2002 |
"...who are we to slaughter an elusive creature..." Arlie, "we" are the same people who continue to slaughter harmless animals since the beginning of time... Hunters aren't called hunters because they're "noble" & "scientific"... A lot of hunters hunt for the sport, the game of it all... For one of these competitors to spot "an elusive creature that is as rare as Bigfoot", and not shoot it, is harder to believe than a story told by someone who said they saw "purple lights flatten wheat"... $0.02 | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2331 Registered: 9-2001 |
I did spot bigfoot once - when he took on the 6 million dollar man - now that was cool | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2330 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have found deer dead in the woods many times - as a matter of fact I have left the inners in a pile and found them a week later - with bear, fox and coyote around -so I am not sure what woods you are in - maybe bigfoot is a delicacy - lMAO . As far as hunters as a reliable witness - I know some hunters who accidently shot other hunters with a bow - at thirty yards - thinking it was a deer - their sight is not always very good | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2329 Registered: 9-2001 |
when I go hunting I always look for bigfoot but would prob not shoot him because its just some nut head running around in a monkey suit. bigfoot - now I have heard it all. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 608 Registered: 5-2002 |
Tim, if you had done any serious reading on Bigfoot, you would know that there have been MANY times that hunters DID INDEED have Bigfoot in the telescopic crosshairs of their hunting rifles and could have easily pulled the trigger. They chose not to do so because who are we to slaughter an elusive creature that is as rare as Bigfoot. As a matter of fact, the Discovery Channel recently did a documentary on the Patterson Bigfoot film that was shot back in 1967 by a man named Patterson. I'm sure you have all seen the film. Patterson died many years ago, but the guy who was standing beside him when they encountered Bigfoot was carrying a loaded rifle, ready to fire if the creature attacked them. It did not, so they chose not to kill it. That seems to be a noble, scientific course of action to me. As for finding a dead Bigfoot, I challenge you to located a dead grizzly bear, dead gorilla, or any major sized dead animal in the woods. Natural predators and scavangers make VERY quick work of any dead animal as a food source. As for www.texasbigfoot.com, did you click on the "what's new" icon and then click on any particular date to read up on any particular sighting report? There are dozens and dozens. Not everybody is a wacko. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1964 Registered: 6-2001 |
If there were bigfoots, or bigfeet if you will, we would have found them. these idiots go trampling through the woods all the time. dont they think that they would have tripped over a dead one? I'm sure peolpe hunt in areas where bigfeet "exist", wouldnt they shoot one if they saw it? I know i would take out a bigfoot if i had the chance. I like in the photos where they found flattened grass with some hair n a stick near it. they feel that since there is hair (looks more like fur)it HAS to be a bigfoot nest. last time i checked pretty much all wild animals have hair. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1186 Registered: 8-2002 |
There have been a been a quarter of a million Elvis sightings since his death... Ok, not to be a closed-minded jerk, i went to the TBRC website to look around... The first link i clicked on was the one for 'Submit Report'... Almost at the very bottom of the page, they ask this question: "Are there any other details that may or may not be associated with this?" Think about this for a second... If there ARE details that can be associated with "this", then good, include them. But they also ask if there are any other details that may NOT be associated with "this"... If that's not odd, then it's just down right stupid... Sorry, i know i'm nit-picking, i just can't believe Texas has a research center and Bigfoot society... | ||
| Craig Woolheater (Ecwool)
New member Username: Ecwool Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2003 |
Yes Virginia, Texas does have a Bigfoot Society. It's called the Texas Bigfoot Research Center. When you guys are through laughing, come take a look at the website. www.texasbigfoot.com Craig | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1746 Registered: 2-2001 |
after Tupac Shakur was killed I had some dope tell me he was still alive. I told him " Of course, he's hanging out with Elvis" as for UFOs, well I saw a big 1 so I guess I have to be a believer | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1169 Registered: 8-2002 |
LMAO, William, to me, all a yeti is, is a good scrabble word... Robin, all your points are very well taken and what you're saying is coming in loud and clear... i don't have a clear answer for you, as to why i believe the not-so-believable... i can tell you that my experience with "the system" has led to such an immense distrust that usually, when they put something right in front of me and tell me it's this, i still think it's that... So when they tell me that there are "crop circle clubs" out there, sure i believe there are, but i also believe that them pointing to the crop circle groups is just a cover-up for something they don't want us to know... i apply skepticism and inquiry to all before i believe or disbelieve... i don't let my beliefs run my everyday life... i don't take a different way home from work, everyday even though the nazi secret service is following me, i don't use secret coDES when talking to my friends on the phone, even though it's tapped... i live my life but still hold onto my beliefs... i believe in other forms of intelligent life and i couple that with that impossibility that we're all alone in space... Also, i never said anything about believing in crop circles, it was just an example someone else raised... i agree with your views on the fascist religion nazis... i believe secret societies are running the world 'cause it makes more sense than 'society is just this f*cked up'... Read Behold A Pale Horse, like Hart did, but before you do, read The Isis Papers, The Keys To The Colors, by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing... What i believe and why i believe it will be a lot clearer to you... No, Mojo, i'm not a libertarian, i don't associate myself with any political group as politics are just that: politics. & lastly, i still can't get over the fact that Texas has a Bigfoot Society... Does Rob know about this...? i'm laughin' my ass off, over here... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1743 Registered: 2-2001 |
When I was in Bhutan my friend Phurba who was also our tour guide told me they have 2 types of Yetis in Bhutan. You have your run of the mill Yeti then there is a short red magic yeti who carries a ball of string with him. Story is that if you can grab his string he is your slave but if he grabs it back from you you are in deep trouble | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1959 Registered: 6-2001 |
ha ha, they found padded down grass and they are gonna call it a big foot bed?! seems to me like bigfoot is a deer or moose or something. If they really want to find bigfoot they should have a bigfoot hunting derby. whoever shoots bigfoot gets a red pickup with a confederate flag in the back window. im pretty sure if bigfeet existed, a dead one of them would be found or something. The population would have to be large enough in order to have a diverse gene pool, and also so they could find mates. conclusion: no such thing as bigfoot. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 239 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES Are you a libertarian? Just wondering. Mojo | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1148 Registered: 8-2002 |
Texas has a Bigfoot Society...? BWAHAHAHAHAHA...! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 591 Registered: 5-2002 |
Just because the mass media does (or doesn't) publicize something doesn't mean it does (or doesn't) have credibility. Recently there was a story on network TV news about some guy who had run around 30 years ago making bogus "BIGFOOT" footprints in a rural northwest area. So naturally, the mass media is quick to say that this one buffoon is responsible for all the Bigfoot sightings and the whole Bigfoot phenomenon is bogus. Of course, their story completely ignores several important facts: Bigfoot sightings and footprints thereof were first spotted in modern times around 1957 when road workers were building new roads for the first time in the Bluff Creek area of northern California. This was all TEN YEARS before any idiot was tramping around the woods with fake BIGFOOT feet strapped to his boots. Fact two: The vast majority of modern Bigfoot sightings have taken place in southeastern Texas and have been thoroughly investigated by the Texas Bigfoot Society. www.texasbigfoot.com There are hundreds of credible sightings and they are not all by beer drinking rednecks. So you see, the "media" isn't really much of a decent outlet for the truth. The media seldom lets facts get in the way of a story. As for crop circles, I find it very incredible that there are teams of coordinated people who can enter a grain field under cover of darkness, build giant intricate designs hundreds of feet in length, and then leave the area completely undetected. And do it in numerous countries around the world. I think we definately need to locate those people and pay them to join the Allied military forces. We could certainly use people with their "covert ops" talents. But I don't think such people exist. Just because some redneck farmer can tramp a circle in his own grain field does in no way make human beings responsible for some of the incredibly complex designs present in numerous crop circles. Perhaps it makes some people comfortable to whistle in the graveyard. But I think there is something happening with crop circles that is above our current knowledge and technology. | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
New member Username: Robin Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2003 |
DES, Agreed, the most logical answer isn't always correct, but in this case, anything other than people flattening wheat stalks is ludicrous. There are crop circle groups who make these things. They have competitions, pictures, videos, tutorials, plans, etc for all of this stuff. In the end, all you have is wheat that's been bent over (or broken, depending on how heavy the guy is and where they push down on the stalk..) Does bent over wheat really require extraterrestrials? How are these 'other' crop circles any different? They certainly didn't appear in a matter of seconds, as someone suggested. How would anyone know this? Did someone just happen to be standing in a wheat field one night when it suddenly flattened around him into a nice geometric pattern? If so, why was there no big story about this? No huge headlines in all the major newspapers and scientific journals? All we get are supermarket tabloids and cheesy television shows marketed towards TV viewers (who you refer to as something along the lines of weak minded drones or something..) Oddly enough, people have a tendency to lie. Whether for profit, attention, as a joke, people lie all the time. Why is it that you don't believe (insert local elected official here) when they say their new economic plan is designed to help the poor, but you will believe some guy who says he saw purple lights flatten wheat? There's an old scientific mantra that applies here... "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." If I told you that at this moment, I was wearing a white button down shirt, you could accept it at face value, as it's not a very far fetched idea. However, if I told you that I was wearing a magical shirt that could change colors, light up a room, clean itself, and transform into a leather jacket, you probably wouldn't believe me until I proved it. While it's fine that people can believe whatever they want, this is a dangerous thing. Believing that crop circles are created by alien landscapers is fairly harmless (just keep this idea to yourself at your next dinner party), but this level of thinking can have seriously damaging results. Christian Scientists believe in the healing power of god, not in the germ theory of medicine. They spout off about how medicine is a lie and the work of the devil, and therefore when their kids get sick, instead of taking them to a doctor, they pray. There have been several well documented cases of children dying from such benign ailments as ear infections and the common flu due to negligence on the part of religious whacko parents who refuse to accept the benefits of modern medicine, regardless of the facts of its efficacy. On the same level, hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Americans credulously give money to millionaire evangelists and faith healers, convinced that god really will 'touch them' through the TV. In spite of many investigations and debunking reports, faith healers like Benny Henn and evangelists like Robert Tilton STILL pack arenas and rake in the cash from gullible citizens who want to believe these are good people, in spite of mountains of contrary evidence. On a car related note... The topic of evidence and fact plays a huge role for collectors, as well as the common buyer. We have services like Carfax to check on the basic history of a car, PPI's to inspect the mechanics and general condition of a car. Potential buyers often request to see the books, records, and speak to previous owners and shops that worked on the car. Why would they bother doing this? Because they want to make sure that they're getting what the seller says they are. People lie. I've been lurking here for almost a year now, and seem to recall several threads regarding shady individuals and dealerships who regularly rip off customers with cars that should have been melted for scrap. They've been branded as shady people, so would you believe them if they told you they had a great deal on one of Enzo's personal cars? Didn't mean to hijack the thread or anything, but I think the real point here isn't secret societies, aliens, and economic systems, but what leads us to believe what we do. Why do people believe secret societies are controlling the world? Is it because they have a wealth of information and solid evidence, or is it because it's more glamorous and exciting to believe in that rather than parliaments and congress, laws and constitutions? Why do people believe aliens make crop circles? Is it because there is enough evidence to support such claims, or is it more fun and exciting to think that aliens take an interest in our plant life rather than agricultural graffiti artists? Anyway. This got a bit long. oops! -R | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1735 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ron if God did indeed create the universe then I am sure he also created the ETs after all he left a WHOLE lot of vacant real estate for a species from 1 little planet to fill | ||
| Ron R (Ronr)
Junior Member Username: Ronr Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2002 |
So where did all these aliens come from? Do they have a creator, or did they come creeping out of the ooze (like a lot of people I know)? And who's visiting their planets, and stirring up their alien peasants with whacked out stories about little-eyed people on other planets motorvating around in bright red shiny vehicles with scoops trying to pass silly shoebox shaped vehicles driving in the far left lane? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1102 Registered: 8-2002 |
Robin, the most logical explanation isn't always the the best one... Sometimes, you HAVE to take into consideration the less plausible theory; like Francisco said, some of the crop circles differed from the ones that people admitted to making... The whole map thing makes sense to me, too... (but that's just me...) i definitely agree, the media is a capitalist-based, no-honesty-instilled, ratings-driven sack of lying, manipulating pigs and they should all be shot (and so should the politicians that pull the puppet strings...) The government IS a group of fascist bastards and the whole alien overlord thing is an entirely different subject... An exotic car is not a symbol of wealth, success and metaphorical freedom to me and i have no problems with capitalism in its base form (plain ol' makin' money) but america has abused what it means to be a capitalist country and continues to perpetually RAPE its citizens for dividends and that's where i disagree... An exotic car, to me, is a piece of a art- more so, though, that it's interactive... it's not just another car, although, you can't do more than just drive it, but you can't drive other cars like you can drive an exotic... Capitalism is cool, from the bottom of my heart, i wish you all would just magically come across millions of dollars, later today, money is cool, but a capitalist SYSTEM isn't the same thing... When we focus our economy on money, money, money and forget about people, people, people then something has gone wrong... Until we can learn how to be wealthy without being immoral, i say @#$% the system- rape it for all its worth... if my taxes are going towards someone's welfare and they really don't need it, then i'm happy to pay them, as long as people continue to bang the system that continues to bang us... We've all been sucked into this way of life and something's wrong with it... Money is cool, but it's not everything... i'm tired of fund raisers and bake sales, producing money just so our kids can have books to read when most of MY paycheck is going towards missiles and other senseless crap that we'll probably never use... This isn't a democracy OR a republic, it's a military country, run by neo-napoleon Risk-board game champions who don't give two squats about you- just your friggin' money... Ok, i've gone off on a rant... there must be a little Dennis Miller inside me... i'll stop now... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1724 Registered: 2-2001 |
When you travel to the 3rd world it becomes much more obvious that a small group runs the country. It was pretty obvious in Argentina as well as most of S America that a tiny group of old families dating back to the Spanish Conquistadores runs each country. New blood might come in but only very rarely. Argentina is probably run by less than 20 families, a country of 30 M people The recent debacle were the President was ousted was a good display of their power. They didnt care for the Pres or his associates & preffered to freeze the whole country & send its economy into the septic tank rather than co operate with their opponents 3 most powerful things in the world are Oil, Weapons, & Drugs, This runs the world. | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
New member Username: Robin Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2003 |
Wow. I highly recommend some people stop by www.csicop.org to get some information from people who actually investigate this stuff (not to mention a quick lesson in critical thinking). Realize that TV shows like the kind you see on TLC and Fox are entertainment created for profit. People find aliens and conspiracy more interesting than fact and reality... so if you were a big TV exec whose main concern is profitability for your network, would you air a show about guys stomping on wheat with 2x4's or a show about aliens using hyperspace technology to zoom across the universe, leaving pummeled wheatstalks and irate farmers in their wake? Obviously, the general media just covers whatever sells (hence tabloids.. no one believes THOSE right?). Let's look at this logically. Crop circles are created by a) groups of guys with 2x4's as a form of expression similar to graffiti (do a search on cerealogists.. there are competitions for creating these things!), or b) crop circles are created by highly advanced alien civilizations with the technology to cross interstellar space, yet only feel the need to stomp around in farmers' backyards. Now which is more likely? College kids with time to spare, or interplanetary Picassos? I vote for A. This is the kind of critical thinking that seems to be lacking in people these days. People are too wrapped up in what they WANT to believe and miss out on what actually IS. There's enough beauty and wonder in the world without having to make stuff up. Speculate, dream, imagine all you want, but referring to the gov't as fascist bastards in control of alien overlords is taking things a bit far... DES, Anyhoo, back to the gov't thing (and steering back to Ferraris ) I find it interesting that owning an exotic car, a symbol of wealth, success, and more metaphorically, of freedom (nothing like dropping the top and cruising some canyons eh?) doesn't conflict with your ideas of capitalism. While it does have its flaws, what other economic system provides so much opportunity for attaining these things? Do you think the citizens of North Korea stop by their local Ferrari dealership, dreaming of when they'll be able to buy one? Or how about the regular schmo in Denmark who pines for a $150,000 car, knowing that he'll have to pay that much in taxes once he buys it? Count your blessings, work hard, and get what you want. -R | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1101 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wrong number sorry, i mean 4.5 billion... hee hee... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1943 Registered: 6-2001 |
450 billion? Earth was created less than 5 billion years ago. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1100 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tim, i never said that life originated from aliens, i merely said that some scientists theorized that our DNA is so advanced that they believe it wasn't possible for humans to evolve to the point we have in "only" 450 billion years; they believe it's possible that our DNAs initial fabrication started elsewhere and traveled through space, landing on what is now earth (or some similar storyline)... Couple that with the belief in aliens and another theory that aliens could have created what we are now, as a sort of "test", well, then... you've got some pretty interesting water cooler chat there. It's been said that if you count the stars in the sky, 10 stars at a time, 10 sets of stars per second, it would take 10 times the amount of time that the earth has been in existence to count every last star- that makes you think how vast it is out there... i'd bet my little marbles that we're not alone... "Sometimes i feel like... somebody's watchin' meeeeeee..." | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1941 Registered: 6-2001 |
DES- I didnt say that i feel that we are the only intelligent life in the universe, although i dont doubt it. There is almost definately forms of life, but it isnt necisarily intelligent. Previously, scientists thought that life on earth was just a fluke, everything somehow ended up prefectly and conditions were right. Now i think they believe that life can be exist in much harsher condtions. Im not sure how much i agree with this. Scientists have created complex protiens and other organic materials from inoranic materials in the lab in environments that simulated the condtions on primative earth. the most notable was the one done by miller. this casts some doubt that life originated from aliens. scientists have also created proteinoid spheres that "eat" protein, grow, and when they get too big, smaller spheres bud off. They even have membranes that let certain things in to allow the growth. These arent "living" things, but the line between living things and organic "stuff" is not very clear. Im sure there are other planets that have the correct temperature and conditions for this to happen. It cant be too cold because the water would be solid, nor too hot ot the proteins and enzymes would denature. But who knows? theres gotta be alolt of stuff we dont know about. So we probably arent the only life, but its not unreasonable to believe that we are the only intelligent life. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1096 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tim, rent the movie Signs- i'm not saying it's true, but in the movie they the crop circles are maps- and Francisco's explanation makes sense, too... Franc's mention of music-relation is not the first i've heard, either, there are several professed explanations and almost endless possibilities... i could be completely talking out of my ass about everything, here, but just consider this: We have to be some pretty conceited and narrow-minded individuals to think that, in a space so big, we don't even know where it ends, IF IT ENDS, that's we're the only ones inhabiting it; that we're the only ones here... Our solar system is on the outer edge of the extended arm of our galaxy- we're pretty much in what could be considered the 'burbs, as far as our galaxy goes... as you move towards the center of our galaxy, it gets a lot busier, with all kinds of "stuff" in there... Things are very mellow out where we are and who knows what's going on, right in the middle of this thing... For all i know, our government could be the most honest government in existence and i'm just stupid enough to believe otherwise, but when it comes to other forms of 'intelligent life', i firmly believe that we are not alone. i think it's downright arrogant for anyone to think otherwise... How could you...? How could someone think that with all that's out there, that we're the only living things...? Let's say there IS a god- you think he didn't make multiple 'earths'...? That we're his only project going...? That he doesn't have this going 3, 5, 100 or even a 1,000 times over, to watch the varying results...? People, we're not alone... the sooner we realize that, the better-equipped we'll be when we whatever's out there let's us know that it's there... | ||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 172 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tim,perhaps a form of comunication? I don't know,but i do find it interesting,personally i haven't done much research on it,just read the odd thing here and there and watch the odd t.v. show on the subject,and in one of those programs some guy figured that the designs and patterns were like musical notes and he put them together and played it,sounded kinda cool. I know many are hoaxes but the fact of the matter is the great majority of them are unexplained,and it's not something new either, i think the earliest known report is a wood carving from the U.K. dating from 1647 if memory serves (which it rarely does) soooo,i went to the trusty ol'google and looked it up and glanced through some sites,so here are a couple of sites if anyone wants to check it out,i haven't really read everything on these sites i just did a quick check in the last few minutes,gotta go but i'll read them more in detail later. i just like the mystery of it,how it affects the biology of the plants and the surrounding areas as well. www.paradigmshift.com www.lovely.clara.net/ | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1940 Registered: 6-2001 |
Fancisco, do you thikn crop circels are from aliens? Dont you think that if aliens visited earth they would have somthing better to do than create crop circles? Im not trying to start anything, im just pointing out that im sure aliens wouldrather be doing other things than making these crop circles. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well, if our capatalist system is brainwashing so much, I would hate to know what the Communists do! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1089 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tim, order isn't always a good thing... Think about it... EVERYTHING is in order... even chaos is carried out in an orderly fashion... That doesn't tell you something...? That maybe some of this stuff is predetermined...? That maybe some of this stuff happens on purpose...? Or that it's done for the wrong reasons, or by the same people who are telling you they'll fight to keep it from happening...? Main stream society only knows what main stream society is told... i can understand that you aren't fond of my opinions on the government, people are DEStined to disagree on somethings... Robin, i don't believe that GW is an alien pupped or that aliens are running our government, but i do believe that our government has secret involvement with aliens... (i don't mean government like your local senator or speaker of the house or the mayor of west bumble f*ck kentucky, more like the higher ups, the president and even beyond him- 'cause we can all agree that mr. un-elect doesn't run the country, right...?) In any case, i've grown out of the moon-landing conspiracy, although at one point, that was a main focus for me... i've come to terms about it, along with new evidence and it means something completely different to me, now... As far as your statement on beliefs go, i agree... which is exactly why it's so hard for me to prove that these things are going on... This portion of our discussion directly relates and ties into the religion discussion as far as being able to prove to one another what is real and what is not... It's all just a matter of what you believe... Beliefs have as much connection with the truth as the believer(s) wants them to... i'm sure you believe in something that's not clearly as tangible as something else... (let's say god, for example, as opposed to the couch in your living room)... "However, if you continue your expensive smoking habit and verbal flogging of a "capitalist fascist country," you should probably give up any hopes of owning a Ferrari." That, i disagree with... my expensive smoking habit isn't so expensive- i pay less than half of what everyone else pays... Also, how is it i should kiss my hopes of owning a Ferrari, goodbye if i continue to verbally exploit the wrong-doings of a nation...? The continued 3rd reich DEServes more than a verbal flogging but there's not a whole lot one person can do to stop a capital-powered, full-steam-ahead, brainwash-everything-in-its-path, corporate-based nazi government... | ||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 170 Registered: 8-2002 |
actually,some of the young guys that made crop circles in England said that yes, they did make SOME of them BUT they could not explain the others,and since they all seem to be made around the same time of day,around 4 a.m. in the U.K. and there are sometimes dozens of them appearing at once,well,the logistics are mindboggling,esp when people are out there LOOKING for the perps and yet these things pop-up right in front of them and nobody can find a single person making them.and then there is the time factor,the guys said that it takes a small team about 45 mins to a few hours to make them,yet some extremely large and complicated designs appear in seconds.now,i can't explain that but i somehow find it hard to believe that these wankers can pull this off all by their lonesome.and then there is the fact that when people try to film these "events" as they occur, electronic equipment goes all wonky and craps out,but when it's over everything works just fine,HUH... also some scientists have examined the stalks and they said that the ones that are known to be manmade are laid over and broken at the base whilst the majority of them are simply and gently laid over without damage except for the little emulsion holes at the stalk nuckles (sp?) and apparently all the seed pods are empty... p.s.these crop circles are a worldwide phenomena,and have been reported on for decades. | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
New member Username: Robin Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2003 |
Not to interrupt, but any dose of nuttiness (whether for entertainment or not) should be balanced with some reason and rational thinking... I recommend The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan, Why People Believe Weird Things by Michael Shermer, or Flim Flam! by James Randi. It's amazing to me what people are willing to believe, while not being able to accept common real life events (aliens are controlling our gov't! but the moon landing was faked!). The notion that extraterrestrials are not only on Earth, but controlling and conspiring with our government is too ludicrous to respond to. I think the Illuminatis Trilogy kick started a lot of this type of thinking, and it was written as a joke... but people still buy into it for some reason. Crop circles were started by two old guys in England as something to do at night. They later revealed their secrets, wrote a book, had several magazine/newspaper articles, etc.. there are Cerealogist groups who go out on the weekends, flattening farmers' fields, competing for ownership of the largest, most complex circles... These groups have websites with their work, how-to papers, and tools for sale, but people still think that flattened wheat is only possible through alien energy vortexes. I think in general, people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of fact. James Randi and Carl Sagan document several experiments to demonstrate this, with surprising results. So DES, if you want to believe that GW is an alien puppet, that's great. But realize that just because I might believe there's a giant pink elephant named Bobo doing backflips in my living room, doesn't mean there actually is. Beliefs have no basis in reality, no connection with the truth, and no barometer for error. They're nothing more than opinions...some more inspired than others. However, if you continue your expensive smoking habit and verbal flogging of a "capitalist fascist country," you should probably give up any hopes of owning a Ferrari. -R | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1936 Registered: 6-2001 |
oh, btw, i think it's interesting that the author of "Behold a pale horse" was shot and killed by police or the FBI or something. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1935 Registered: 6-2001 |
DES, the government clearly is working. It keeps stuff in order. The stuff you bring up about it, i do not like. What i do not like even more is that it's racist. very racist. I think i dislike the WTO more than our government because thats something that can be changed alot easier than the gov't. Although im not sure, i think it would be safe t oguess that the WTO is repsonible for exploiting less fortunate people worldwide than our government. 4 years ago i wrote a 14 page paper on it and the protests in seattle. that was when i was alot younger, its too easy to sense extreme bias against the organization. now i think that if its harder to see a biased paper its more affective. I dont think that the govt wil lchange untill it collapses (it eventually will, everything does.) | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 674 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yep, I picked up on DES's reference to "Pale Horse" in the Counterpoint-Terrorism thread. Actually, the book came to my attention recently at a dinner party; a guy who is an air marshall mentioned it when we started talking about post 9/ll. I don't think i qualify as a raving right wing crack-pot (yet), but i am fascinated by some of the "conspiracy" theories, in regard to the gov't's complicity in the drug trade, arms-dealing, etc. But, then again, i'm still waiting for them to indict Hillary for the Vince Foster thing. I guess where i part ways with some of the more extreme views, is where it gets into the Aryan, anti-semitic/black "jews run the world" we're heading for a "race war" semi-neo-nazi stuff. Interestingly, there is a strong mystical connection in alot of this stuff, which also gets you into some pretty deep anti-religious, black magic Crowley/Charley Manson weirdness that's chilling. I have a pretty good imagination, but some of this stuff goes way out... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1087 Registered: 8-2002 |
Doody, i'm not sure i understand... can you expound...? | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 676 Registered: 11-2001 |
someone you trust is one of us. doody. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1080 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, i think all the information you're looking for, to explain why this thread exists is in the "War on terrorism- counterpoint" thread, also in this forum... Hart, if i'm wrong, please let me know... | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 661 Registered: 1-2002 |
Say W-H-A-T ???????????????????????? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1065 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hart... i'm not sure where to start... i'm happy someone actually took my advice and read the book... (now go read The Isis Papers, The Keys to the Colors by: Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. America, The Illuminati 666 Parts I & II. Lastly, The Fortunate Son, by: J.H. Hatfield- i've not yet finished my copy). i will certainly take your advice and read Rule By Secrecy and i thank you for the referral... i'm beyond what it means to be distrustful of our government and i feel that they're milking the common people for everything they're worth, at every turn in society... You read the book, so i don't have to reiterate everything that's in there, but i believe and can identify with almost everything in it... The alien issue is separate, entirely... i'm even inclined to believe most of what the book says about the aliens' existence here on earth, meetings with Eisenhower (Embasador Krlll or Krill), abductions, and main stream media entertainment (movies, television- even early radio shows) to slowly DESensitize the public to what's been going on, so when they finally decide to make it public that there are aliens among us, we won't be as shocked as we would think we would be (make sense?)... Topics such as depopulation, "survival of the fittest", genocide of races, etc are easily believable when you take into account, what's done on a daily basis throughout our society, as well as others... Books such as the ones mentioned, coupled with my own personal experiences as well as just watching the goings-on here in america and countries abroad have formed my extreme bitter hatred for the centralist, capitalist, fascist, corporate nazi pig government that iron-fistedly rules ameREICHa... i could easily make this the longest thread in the history of all threads throughout all of the enchanted happy internet land, but i'll try and keep it short... There are so many little things i could point out, that easily tell me that our government is in place to keep us in order, so we can continue doing the things we're meant to do for them... Our government and it's authorities are like overseers, keeping constant watch on us... For the mere fact that cops have "quotas" each month should tell you that people are being wrongly accused, unjustly punished and so forth, on purpose... Let us consider the cigarette/marijuana issue... Cigarettes (a product i've fallen adict to for many years, now) are legal in the united states... Not only are they legal, but they're taxed, HEAVILY (that tax could be considered "drug" money, but let's talk about that at another time)... The average cigarette contains approximately 4,000 chemicals in it... Cigarettes are known to cause cancer and tobacco-related deaths are among the highest in our country, as well as other parts of the world... The tobacco industries make a killing off of killing... Now let's talk about marijuana (a drug i've tried on more than one occassion, but due to its adverse affect on me, i've not touched in years)... Marijuana is known to ease pain in medical patients... marijuana comes from a natural plant and can be obtained without first being chemically treated (for a more experienced high) and although it DOES kill brain cells, it is otherwise somewhat equivalent to alcohol (don't drive if you're gonna induce it)... Marijuana, however is illegal and people are placed in prisons because of it... people are killed because of it... families are murdered, lives are ruined, these events are taped and edited for your edification, and broadcast multinationally on the trojan horse television in your home and still, we find nothing wrong with this... So how come it's ok to kill and maim and pillage and imprison and {lie and cheat and steal} for one drug but cigarettes are completely legal...? Because the government, through the dealings of the CIA, make far too much money off marijuana (among other drugs) to make it legal... So the government continues to make a tremendous profit off something illegal, by importing and exporting it and then, when they catch the users, they take it away so they can turn around and sell it again... Meanwhile, YOUR government is banging your poop chute with no grease for taxes and "pretty please donations" to help get drugs off the streets... All those ads you see on your trojan horse television are paid for by YOU... YOUR taxes, YOUR dontations, YOUR HARD-EARNED MONEY, PEOPLE...! You're trapped... This is just one of SO MANY examples i could point out... point out as to how we're trapped in this circular societal BULLSHlT we call "freedom" and "life" and all that other ridiculous nonsense... If freedom were really "free", you wouldn't have pay taxes to keep it... We're all just sheep and wool's been pulled over our eyes for so long, we're scared to pull it off, fearing that the things some people say are true, really ARE true... Ok, talking about this crap really riles me up... Sorry... i'll try and keep this as civilized as possible... i just hate this lying, cheating, heartless, discompassionate capitalist fascist country that boasts how nice and sweet and good and better than everyone else it is... Sigh... i need a cigarette... | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 671 Registered: 12-2001 |
OK, DES, letterrip! Read "Pale Horse" recently, and found alot of it incoherent. The book "Rule By Secrecy" (think i have the title right) by Marrs(correct?) tells the story a little more clearly, if not any more persuasively; to wit, that power in each age is wielded by a relatively small group of people with a common interest beyond any national boundary or interest; that these "secret" societies exist today, in everything from the private societies at Yale and Harvard to multinational corporations; that the nominal leaders of the various countries are either in on it, or are puppets of the real secret organization wielding power; that the roots of these organizations can be traced back through the Freemasons, the Knights Templar, and ultimately, back to pre-Egyptian society, where there is some, murky alien connection. Apart from the fact that i don't believe the Rockefellers are really alien progeny, i do find the whole thing fascinating, thought provoking and a little scary. Up to a point, on a rational level, i do find some of these notions plausible (and i am not even ruling out ETs, except i am hard-pressed to believe that their interests would be so mundane as to infiltrate our society and manipulate it toward the ends some of the more paranoid authors claim, if only because it seems to be a big waste of time and energy for more enlightened beings). Anyway, your turn...(Oh, and Hugh, if you can add any science or biology to this, you are invited, too). | ||
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