| Author | Message | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 132 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi Dave, I also reckon Bush is on the right track towards the NK. However, it is definitely nothing to do between the PRA and the H&W according to my first hand info. Although I am interested in hearing any facts or stories you could get hold of. Let's go back to the Ferrari stuffs! Cheers | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 674 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ming, thank you for the post. And I am aware that H-W is based in HK. But I assure you that the PRA controls that company. I just wish I could share with you how I know this to be a fact...but I can't for another 72 years.  Anyway, this thread is getting a bit off track. I many ways, Bush seems to be doing the right thing about those morons in Noeth Korea--calling their bluff. But, in the interim, I sure hope that we take William's original advice & pop KJI before he really loops out... | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dave --- I don't want to attach another World Map to you again! Hutchison Whampoa is a HK listed company and the largest sharholder is "Cheung Kong Holdings" which is also listed and the main shareholder is "Mr. Lee Ka Shing". Unless his Sons Richard and Victor did not know their father had become a soldier privately. There is nothing related between the Chinese gov't and the H&W. William -- I respect your choice but some of the Mainland Chinese companies had started moving their manufacturing plants to SEA likes Thailand, Vietnam and Nepal as the living standard(running cost) in China is getting higher and higher. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1726 Registered: 2-2001 |
If I see 2 products & 1 says CHINA & the other says, India or nepal or Thailand or whatever, I buy the 2nd product | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 672 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wayne, all that may be true...but the Chinese army is that country's largest business conglomerate, and that's a fact. You look at the largest "private" industrial companies in China, and you will see the Chinese army owns or controls them. Example: Hutchison Whampoa. They are smart in that they have invested in numerous private enterprises, such as those you suggest. But make no mistake: the Chinese army produces the majority of China's exports from which it derives its hard currency--to the tune of $30 billion a year extra courtesy of the US alone (I may be wrong on this figure--it may be an even higher trade deficit). And it's our fault for buying their slave-labor-produced goods just 'cause they're cheaper. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 614 Registered: 8-2002 |
William, your Brit friend is smoking crack. Dave, Re: "Almost all of the schnit you buy that says Made in China is produced by the Chinese Army courtesy of slave labor/prisoners." That's simply not true. China has several large industrial cities that are almost nothing but factories churning out all of that "schnit." While some factories are government-owned, they have nothing to do with the military, prisoners, or slave anything. My wife is from near Shanghai. Back in China, she made her fortune by finding new markets and opening up factories to supply those markets. She is currently back in China right now taking bids from factories to produce various products for markets she has developed here in the US. Yes, she's importing more "schnit." The reality is that China is quickly becoming a capitalist state, but in a controlled fashion. Cities are being converted, one by one. Since the return of Hong Kong to Chinese rule in 1997, the Chinese government has spent billions of dollars turning other cities into "Hong Kongs." They are not foolish. They know where the future lies and where the money's at. They are no North Korea and they aren't about to do a repeat of the USSR's disasterous overnight conversion. | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 130 Registered: 5-2002 |
William -- What kind of this Brit friend in HK is that? Does he even read "South China Morning Post"? All these statements remind me the "World Map" emailed from one of my Brit friend in London a couple of day ago and someone from Ohio asking me if HK is a city somewhere in Japan.  | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 668 Registered: 1-2002 |
William, that is intriguing...but I don't see it happening. Why? The Chinese Armed Forces. If they were a public company, they would rank well in the Fortune 100 revenue-wise (almost all of the schnit you buy that says Made in China is produced by the Chinese Army courtesy of slave labor/prisoners). They have a vested interest in the status quo...and the ability to project power to keep it that way. So I suspect that the Army would install its own puppet if the currect ruling coalition fractures. IMO, of course. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1722 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dave & Wayne, what do youthink about this idea. I spoke to a Brit who lives in Hong Kong, he told me he thinks that China will collapse when the current Pres dies because there will be a power struggle between the VP & the presidents 3 sons. He sees China splitting into a looser confederation of states similair to the EU rather than continuing as a single nation. Fine with me I cant stand the Chinese Govt. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 608 Registered: 8-2002 |
In the late 80's and early 90's I was an intelligence analyst working for NSA in South Korea. Though there were several minor flare-ups, for the most part nothing very exciting ever happened. I can only imagine how busy those guys are right now! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 607 Registered: 8-2002 |
We might if China had 37,000 troops stationed in South Mexico. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 374 Registered: 10-2001 |
If you shift the names and the world map, you can see how silly the whole thing is. If North Mexico went crazy, would the USA expect China to solve the problem on our contintent? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1715 Registered: 2-2001 |
Very good point about NK & KJI being China's pit bull, a pretty starved & bizarre pitbull, maybe more of a Killer Chipmunk actually LOL The CHinese govt is truly despicable at least as loathsome as some other repressors such as the Nazis, Taliban, USSR etc. I dont see KJI ever actually going to war cus it would be suicide, He would get 1 shot & he would roll over the DMZ & maybe take SK for a short while then he & his party would all be dead if the US ever decided to get Midieval on his buttocks. I just read in Time how NK being a nuke power may force SK & Japan & probably Thailand to also gather nuke arsenal's. Sheesh, just what the world needs | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 373 Registered: 10-2001 |
If this was a real problem it would be China's problem. They would be tring to solve it. Why is the Asian world asking the USA for help? China, Japan, and South Korea would solve this if it was a real case of a rouge state. It is the USA's problem because this is a publicity stunt on the world's stage. If I was Bush... I would get on TV and tell the world that N Korea is China's problem and we are going to watch them solve it. We are going to test China to see if they can make a contribution to the world. Does China enjoy being one of our largest trading partners? Well pull your share China. Fix the crap in your back yard. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 372 Registered: 10-2001 |
N Korea has no power. Call the bluff. Send it to the UN, add more sactions and set up a naval sweep to make sure no more shipments of Scuds or other weapons get out. The Question is does China and Russia want to solve this? NO, I don't think so. China and Russia enjoy watching the USA get bashed. Just like the French do over Iraq. Such a easy problem to solve if the world wanted it solved instead of using it as a way to bring the USA down a peg. "China is a big foot, ready at any time to stomp on N Korea. Kin Jong iL is only able to do what he does with China's approval" | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 665 Registered: 1-2002 |
Methinks there is more to this that we are seeing. Methinks someone has manipulated the seriously deranged Jong Il to test the US's ability to handle 2 "situatiuons" simultaneously...and to make the US look bad for pursuing war with Iraq, which, while run by reprehensible goons, appears to the untrained eye to be much less of an immediate threat to the US than an admitted nuclear power--N. Korea-- as it is claiming to resume missile testing. And methinks the puppeteer is China (no friend of the US at all), which has long prepared numerous scenarios for war with the US...and which, throughout its long and semi-noble history, has always shown great skill at assessing the true strengths & weaknesses of its adversaries. All IMO, of course... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1711 Registered: 2-2001 |
Kim Jong iL is simply replaying the part that Attila the Hun played with the Roman Empire some 2,000 years ago. Attila & KJI are both extorting $ from their wealthy neighbors. Atilla would occasionally send a raiding party in & kill a few Romans but nothing major.. Atilla knew that Rome was the Goose that layed the Golden Egg so there was no point in killing the Goose, he would just prod the Goose every now & then to get it to cough up some more Golden Eggs, Same game KJi plays now, except Atilla probably treated his own people better. I dont know what the answer is but I would favor assasinating him & So Damn Insane instead of going to war & blowing $Billions & endangering 100,000s of innocents when a SEAL team with a few good snipers can do the job for a lot less $ & danger |