| Author | Message | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 534 Registered: 8-2001 |
William, Last I heard it isn't due out until next summer(04'). Should be a monster with 550 hp. Only thing of concern is if Chris Bangle (BMW designer) will "uglify" the new 5 series like did the 7 series. Regards, Jon | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 385 Registered: 9-2002 |
I like the shag, and the shaguar :D I wanted a R but alas garage space is occupied with others.... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2159 Registered: 2-2001 |
Any1 know when the next gen BMW M5 is due ? | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2003 |
You can register (if necessary) and view the links below. http://www.jag-lovers.org/x350spec2112.php http://www.jag-lovers.org/x350.html | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1480 Registered: 7-2001 |
I just did a search on Google.com using 2004 Jaguar XJR. There aren't a lot of pictures, but there are few. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2154 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jim, whats the website with more pics of the new XJ ? Last night I had this dream that I was in my CT House and a large Jaguar was trying to enter  Today I went to the Jaguar dealer & I like the XJR. Wierd!!! | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
Junior Member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2003 |
Looks like an X-type from that angel. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1479 Registered: 7-2001 |
Interesting that they took this from such a low angle...  | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1478 Registered: 7-2001 |
oops, need to resize. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2150 Registered: 2-2001 |
I test drove the XJR today & saw the upcoming XJR. Right now the new XJR is at the top of my list. Since I already have the 512TR to tear up the roads & I dont intend to scare the H out of my pasengers I may take the Shag over the M5. The M5 is an awesome car but the new Shag has cutting edge tech vs 1998 tech & Shags are a lot more romantic than Bimmers. The Shaguar brings to mind King Arthur & Camelot, The Battle of Britain, D types winning LeMans, and of course my alter ego, Austin Powers | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 182 Registered: 2-2003 |
Tom, I agree with you to a point. '97 is the best year out of the 90's and the nikasil liners in the '98 through early '00 can also bite the owner if not careful. I've pretty much done nothing but change the fluids in mine for 40k hard miles. Not bad for a $20k or less sedan now. The quality stereotype issues for the '96 and '97 years in particular are not warranted if the car is driven and not babied. I'm pretty knowledgable about the X300's and I wouldn't own anything not '96 or '97. I have my twelves because their engines are in fantastic, 'specially since the '76 was rebuilt due to overheat less then 10k ago, goes like stink. Just chased after 13 NSXs today on an Ortega Highway/Mt Palomar run, 341 miles round trip from Burbank, most of the mountain roads around 4,000-something RPM in 2nd gear the entire time, drifting, and grinning the entire time. I was pushing pretty damn hard. I don't think any Benz, Bimmer, Lexus, or any other sedan could take the abuse I've dished out and return no problems. Maybe I'm just lucky. Jags like to be driven. Can't stress that point enough. Friends break their garage queen Jags and I just laugh at them and mash down the pedal day after day. A shame, really. I could use a 5th gear though, badly. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 701 Registered: 8-2001 |
I know its not in the comparison, but the 740i (the last generation) sport BMW is one helluva car, maybe you could consider that too? You were the one who told me never to buy a car new, let the sucker eat the instant depreciation. | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 48 Registered: 3-2003 |
You have a point there tom, you can pick up one of those old XJS v12's for under $15,000. A car like that you would think it would hold its value. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1468 Registered: 7-2001 |
When I saw the new XJ, I thought it was an X-Type and kept walking. IMO, it is BUTT ugly. And I'm a Jag fan, have a 95 XJ in the garage now. Too bad, they took one of the best looking cars on the road and made it laughable. Take a look at the new Audi A8, it stopped me in my tracks. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 277 Registered: 9-2002 |
Do you want a Ford or a Benz? I have driven many jaguars and not one has ever impressed me. They seem to lack the build quality of a Benz or Bimmer. The resale on a jag is terriable. They hold their value like a screen holds water. The cars also have a fair amomout of electrical problems. I just worked on a 2001 jag s-type that had so many problems I sent it back to the dealer for them to fix. Oh ya...the engines like to throw the timming chain tensioners and timeing chain guides thus smashing all the valves. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 181 Registered: 2-2003 |
M5 is still a better car then the S-Type R or the XJR (even the new one, but I think the new XJR takes kudos in luxury; I don't like the new style at all). Greg, www.shox.com for some great prices on Bilsteins and they know exactly what goes on the '95 XJR (a friend just replaced his from there). Fronts are pretty straightforward, but the rears are a pain in the rear. Then again you might enjoy a challenge Sunny | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2146 Registered: 2-2001 |
i found an Automobile mag from December, they tested them all & said the M5 is still the best. They tested the Shaguar S type R, not the XJR though | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 735 Registered: 10-2001 |
E class are used as taxis here in Paris ...no need to say more. | ||
| Greg (Greg512tr)
Junior Member Username: Greg512tr Post Number: 107 Registered: 2-2002 |
While we are talking about XJR's, I think i need shocks as the ride is not as smooth as it should be. Any suggestions for a cheap parts source? Thanks. Greg (95 XJR) | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 180 Registered: 2-2003 |
I'd go SL55 too if money no object. For what you get, the S-Type R is nice. All the Jags now are style and luxury then performance and functionality, performance my biggest gripe and why I'm here gearing up for an F-car purchase then anything Jag or anyone else can put out. Not a tough choice to make spending that kind of cash P.S. X-Type and S-Type are Ford Jags, last of the 'breed' developed and produced by Jaguar were the X300/X308 XJ. Ford contributed $300M to speed up the X300 ('95-'97) and make it more reliable. Since then, they've taken more interest in sharing parts and platforms.. bleh. I put my car through redline and suspension twisting hell for $1250 in repairs aside from fluids/lubrication in 3 years, bought when it was 3 years old. I'd take the pepsi challenge against any luxury car made in '97 to do better then that. I should have bought an R series, but didn't know about them, only them "older" sedans which I still love. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hmmm, tough one. One the one hand, an ovepriced Ford, on the other, a MB. I'd get the benz, but my choice would be the sl55. | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2003 |
Kenny, I'm glad you included the Saab 9-5 AERO on your list, it actually is a pretty sporty car for the money. It has a great turbo. It may not be as stunningly fast as the M5 or S55AMG, but it will be up there (governed at 150mph) and for aaround $50K, its a great buy! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 696 Registered: 8-2001 |
Will, some other high performance big cars to look at: Mercedes S55 AMG Audi S8 Porsche Cayenne Turbo (kinda) Jaguar S-Type R BMW E60 M5 (get on the list!) Saab 9'5 Aero (underdog) | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2139 Registered: 2-2001 |
The MB e55 has a year long wait. Audi is only releasing less than 500 RS6 in the US this year so they are probably all gone too. The New XJR is coming out in May, going to the Shaguar dealer on Monday for a look. Anybody know whats going on with the upcoming Maserati Quattroporte ? Thanks | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 177 Registered: 2-2003 |
Test driving them all is a requirement. Take the XJR you test drive, add 50%-60% to the stiffness in frame, subtract 400lbs, and knock down the 0-60 .2 seconds, increase trunk/cabin room, add more gizmos, and that's the offering next year for a 10% higher price tag. The XJR is not a long wheelbase edition like the Super V8. The Super V8 is a softer suspension from the R, but better then the standard XJ, which is better then the VDP. The new XJ coming out beats them all for interior/trunk room and on-the-road stiffness. I don't know about the Audi, but the torque from the E55 is wonderful from the seat of the pants. Don't know the numbers off hand compared to the others. E55 is more roomy especially for the rear passengers. If you want a sleeper with luxury you don't find around all over, go for the Audi. You want the class of the MB with luxury and performance, go for the MB. If you want the exclusivity, luxury, and good performance, go for the Jaguar. Quality issues are a thing of the past with the XJ range from '95-'97 and '00-03. I can't speak for the M5, but it is or even with the title for the best 4-door luxury performer you can buy. I love Jags for so many reasons, one key is its not anything else on this list. You don't see an R variant like you do the others on this list. They look like the normal sedans except for the paint keyed/mesh grill, larger wheels, and the badge. The S-Type R is a better performer compared to the 2003 XJR (but not to the 2004) but you must like the body style more then the XJ. And its cheap compared to anything else but the Audi on this list. Something to think about. | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 247 Registered: 5-2002 |
Willam ---Anyway to spare some more money for the E55? Awesome car! | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 37 Registered: 3-2003 |
Yeah, the new V10 M5 is going to surprise alot of supercars. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 521 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have an Audi A6 and prior to that owned several BMW's and Mercs. The Audi may be faster on paper but I can gurantee you your going to be getting twice as many recall notices and stuff will start to fall off the car. The quality of engineering in an Audi is not up to the standards of a BMW. Also the reviews of all the fast Audis S4's S6's RS4 in Europe and now the RS6 is that they are fast in straight line but that the driving experience isn't near as sport or crisp as a BMW. Keep in mind that BMW is buidling a new version of the M5 that will be a V10 (F1 derived) with a rumored 550 horsepower. In two recent magazine tests the current gen. M5 which is over 4 years old still won out over the new Merc and Audi. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 1988 BMW M5 (The original M5) | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2003 |
Good point kenny, the Audi RS6 is bad ass if you want the ultimate sports sedan. That thing will embarass some supercars with the speeds and 0-60 times it has. As far as the XJR vs the E500, I like the E500 better, because its more roomy, and with the E55AMG as an option, its fast. You cant go wrong with a name like AMG, they specialize in tuning MB's, and is probably more refined than the Jag. But thats just my opinion. | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 33 Registered: 3-2003 |
Good point kenny, the Audi RS6 is bad ass if you want the ultimate sports sedan. That thing will embarass some supercars with the speeds and 0-60 times it has. As far as the XJR vs the E500, I like the E500 better, because its more roomy, and with the E55AMG as an option, its fast. You cant go wrong with a name like AMG, they specialize in tuning MB's, and is probably more refined than the Jag. But thats just my opinion. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 630 Registered: 12-2001 |
XJR all the way! Much better looks and just such a beautiful interior. Great performance too. Now, if you were talking about a 1995 E500 I'd go with that. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1253 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have an E500 Sport. Nice car. Nothing exciting. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 695 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jags coming out with a new XJR which is 10x as good of a car- much more reliable, faster, better looking etc... If you don't want to wait, get the RS6 Audi (Twin Turbo AWD good for 450 horses). I think the 500E is a badass car, definetly a sleeper. I love it. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2002 |
Shaguar baby! You don't see as many wire mesh R's out there. I like the low lines of the car. The XJR is the flagship. The E class still has a monster by the name of E55. It's superficial and vain, I know, but I like to own the best of whatever line/series I buy (provided I can afford it). The performance of the XJR is better too. Be sure to get the performance package. It's called something else, I don't remember, it gives you upgraded wheels and tires and upgraded Brembo brakes. My friend just got one, that's why I'm so high on the car right now. You've got to love the leaper too! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2908 Registered: 8-2002 |
William... weren't you the one considering a 962 last year...? Just wondering... Also- if it is you that i'm thinking of, how come it's not still in the running...? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2137 Registered: 2-2001 |
Drove the MB 500e today, it was nice. I know Hartmut over at Renntech so he can spice it up for me if I want to go that route. Gonna test an XJR soon Which do you prefer & why ? Thanks |