| Author | Message | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1029 Registered: 3-2002 |
if this is balanced reporting, then give me cnn anyday..... http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&lng=0&template_id=1&temp_type=44 | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1016 Registered: 3-2002 |
here it is, if your ip supports it.... they don't say anything about the scenes we are seeing on sky, cnn, bbc http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/index.asp?cu_no=1&lng=0&template_id=1&temp_type=44 | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1180 Registered: 6-2001 |
ross: Just saw your note on al jazeera. I've been trying, and trying to get onto their site. Will someone tell me how to get their. I've tried the fake IP address, I've tried direct, etc. to no avail. I do wish to point out that the only way we will get the entire truth is to see all of the news out there, not just our side. Sometimes we don't get it right, and the other side keeps us honest. Art | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1179 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ross: I've read it. there are some good facts there. However, unless someone reads all of this stuff, you get into an us vs. them mode. I do understand that in some instances the popular press has certain biases. I also understand that to counter that the far right has set up an attack squad, which in my opinion is beyond the pale, because they attempt to claim unbaised reporting when their very existance is that of an advocate. Having said that, unless we read both sides, you can't or won't understand all of the issues, since both sides of the issue have absolutely no compunction about either straight up lying or distorting the truth to their own ends. I just finished Mcdougal's book. I strongly recommend it. She obviously has a point to make, and she sure isn't the more honorable human, but if 10% of what she says is true, then she makes a good point. I've met some of the players in her book, and before I read the book, I wouldn't have turned my back on any of them (my client got paid). Art | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 914 Registered: 3-2002 |
randall, hope your subscription to al jazeera doesn't run out before the war is over, you might never know who won........ oh and btw, why don't you tell us what your last name is? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 202 Registered: 1-2003 |
Our guys keep saying Iraq is marching women and children out on the battlefield in front of them, but yet NO news stations have caught that on camera. Very strange. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4161 Registered: 5-2001 |
Any reporter reports to his side and his view. You can take the same scenario and put two reporters on it and get two entirely different stories. As much as I disagree with most of Al Jazeera's reporting and the way they try to imply things, we are no better. Watching CNN and NBC and all the big networks is the exact opposit and not one bit more reliable! | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 912 Registered: 3-2002 |
ok, just saw sky news reporter telling what she saw this morning: fedayeen irregulars in a pick up truck mounted w/ a 50cal machine gun gunning down iraqi civilians trying to leave basra across the bridge. al jazeera want to comment? art, i finally found the book to counter your 'blinded by the right'.....it is called 'bias' by bernard goldberg. he worked for cbs for 30 years and exposes the liberal bias of every news station, specifically citing peter jennings and dan rather and how they would choose not to tell the truth about stories if they did not fit their opinion. true, not true? i don't know. is your man right not right? i don't know either, but then again neither do you. just trying to demonstrate that this too is just another opinion delivery mechanism, not gospel. people will choose to believe whatever they want i guess. maybe only by seeing it or hearing from the few survivors that made it across the bridge will anybody see that we are not so bad after all. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 532 Registered: 8-2001 |
it was just reported that Al jazeera was banned from the NYSE trading floor. Serves those bastards right. I think we should revoke their press license here in the US (if they have one). http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/news/nyse_aljazeera/index.htm Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 225 Registered: 1-2003 |
Randall, I hope you read my follow-up apology to you. I know that in the heat of passion, most of us (myself included) sometimes put our mouths in motion before we put our brains in gear. I was certainly guilty of that this time. I was Navy (USS Wainwright DLG28)-later CLG28 during Viet Nam so I am very aware of politically divided conflict. It is all very confusing and can be psychologically taxing. If it was all just black and white, it would be much easier to understand. Instead, it is like their sandstorms-clouded. As far as collateral damage goes, I heard just this morning that a civilian bus and several civilian cars approached one of the coalition positions, stopped and many people dressed as civilians emerged with weapons and attacked the coalition soldiers. They were backed up by 5 Iraqi tanks. The attacks were repelled but I am sure that Iraqi TV would show this as the US attacking the civilian population. I believe that the Iraqi's have learned to use the media to their advantage and are do quite well with it. I think you and I basically believe alike but it just made me sick at my stomach to see our military POW's and casualties displayed the way they were for their families to see. And to see the grin on the face of that one Iraqi standing over the bodies made me want to go over and take him out myself. It made me very angry and impassioned. I only trust that their displaying these unfortunate individuals this way will only serve to steel the resolve of the troops in place now. I am rambling now. Gotta go. | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2002 |
James, sorry havent checked this thread for a couple of days...I go to Richmond khane usually... | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 166 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jere-"I can tell you have never been in the military and I am sure that you most certainly would never enlist. I am also certain that you see it as your right to stand and proclaim the good things of Iraq (they do not lie about POW's), and cast stones at your own government and our forces who fight and die to give you your freedoms." First, I am in the Navy and have been for about 7 years, Second, I never cast stones at the military for their orders. They are just doing their job,just following orders. In fact you'll hear them say it in interviews on occasion. I will cast stones at our government when I don't agree with how things are done. I'm 26 and have travelled to six countries outside of North America and have seen places that make me glad to be born in America, and other places that I envy tremendously. As for the Kurds, there's many views when it comes to them. A lot of people say that they were rebels against the Iraqi government. If that's the case then Saddam was defending his government against a rebel group. I believe Iran also gassed a lot of people, why aren't we attacking them? And before you say he killed 1000's of inncent people just to get the rebels, remember that the US nuked Japan, and you can bet your life that that destroyed 1000's of lives also. I'm glad Iraq tv showed them, at least we know they're alive. And I have to agree our media is made up of emotionless trash, because all stations were seeking out families to interview. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 824 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gotta tell ya, i think our own media is also handling this badly. CNN was one of the first to shove a mike in front of the families of POWs and ask how they felt. Is that news? And, poor old Greta Von Facelift, relegated to the Al Jazeera of the West (aka "Fox News" which has done a better job in some respects) was whining about "major setbacks" as a result of POWs/deaths of our guys in the field. Maybe i shoulda watched the Oscars, after all! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1108 Registered: 6-2001 |
Randall: It's improper to show the POWs in that regard. Like you I am strongly against this war, but again, it's not proper to do what the news people did do. Jere is absolutely right about this issue. Wrong about other things, but dead on here. Art | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 224 Registered: 1-2003 |
Randall, I have made a mistake and I apologize for it. I just checked and see your occupation is US Navy. Please forgive me for coming on so hard. I see you do care about your country and I was out place to come down on you so hard. We just have differences of opinions. I respect yours and I hope you respect mine. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 223 Registered: 1-2003 |
Randall, I believe you just might be a little misguided. The victims of the Kurdish gassings were just that, victims. The world needs to see just what a regime like that is capable of against their own people. These were not soldiers fighting against him, just citizens who held a different opinion from him. I can tell you have never been in the military and I am sure that you most certainly would never enlist. I am also certain that you see it as your right to stand and proclaim the good things of Iraq (they do not lie about POW's), and cast stones at your own government and our forces who fight and die to give you your freedoms. Sir, you have your rights and I respect those, however, I do not respect you as an American and actually see you leaning away the other way. I want to know real casualty numbers and the number of POW's but I want to save the POW's, and their families the grief of having their faces splattered all over TV. How about the families of the dead. If your son had been killed, would you be so bold as to say " which makes me glad they are on the air?" Huh, would you want to see your son on TV with "only a little blood on their face"? I think not. No, I did not like the Viet Nam war or this one but I, at least went and served. I did not like Lyndon Johnson and I do not agree with all that Bush does, but I certainly see the plight of the Iraq's and see the future damage that leaving Sadam in office could cause. I do not know your age but I would presume that you must be in your early 20's or younger from the content of your posts. Am I wrong, as I well could be. And no, I am not age discriminatory, I just do not believe that anyone who has not been around long enough to see the global picture can be so bold as to think that they have all the answers. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 162 Registered: 1-2003 |
Come on, let's be real for a moment. Everyone know that a lot of wrongs were done on both sides during the Vietnam war. Just a couple weeks ago everyone was saying that we should torture that Al Quaida guy, so why wouldn't we expect the same mentality when the tables are turned? As for it being wrong for that channel to display that video, it's just reporting. I've seen the videos of gassed Kurds on our TV's, so I don't really see the difference when it's Americans. And other countries have more liberal views; in Japan they showed bodies in the WTC rubble. I'm just not impressed with the lies. Iraq said they had POW's, our guys said no. Iraq shows POW's, our guys say they're breaking laws by showing them. Iraq is reporting casualties and POW's much faster then our government, which makes me glad they're on the air. And it seems Bush isn't doing so well at diplomacy either. If he was, we wouldn't be seeing Americans captive on TV. Last I heard it's against Geneva Convention policies to assasinate leaders of other countries just to install your own leaders. If it really reminds you of Vietnam do you think both wars are worth the price? | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 222 Registered: 1-2003 |
Randall, It is not the severity of the killings. It is the fact that the dead are displayed in such a manner. It does not matter how they died, when they are displayed like this. Yes, if they were executed, that is totally dispicable and completely unacceptable even in wartime but just the fact that the channel chose to allow their bodies to be displayed in this manner is WRONG!! Of course, we all know that the Iraqis were never known for their diplomacy and tact but are very well known for their brutality and torture. Why should we think that they would honor the Geneva Convention here? Take a look back at desparate regimes. Did the North Vietnamese honor the Geneva Convention at the Hanoi Hilton? I think not. But then of course, the VC had Jane Fonda on their side just as Sadam has the Hollywood "Artists" on his. This is beginning to bring back memories of Viet Nam to me. How about you other Viet Nam vets? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 160 Registered: 1-2003 |
I saw the video of the POW's. One of them had a little blood on their face, but none of them appeared to have been beaten or tortured. Of the bodies that were shown, one person was clearly shot in the head above his right eye, while the others appeared to have been shot in the chest or stomach. It pretty much looked like casualties of war and not nearly as bad as some news channels have made it out to be. It didn't look like torture and assasination at all, but that's just my opinion. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3068 Registered: 9-2001 |
apparently al jazeera failed to broadcast the exchange between US general (who happens to be muslim) and their reporters where he critized them for broadcasting US POWs | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3067 Registered: 9-2001 |
Fayyaz Thanks for sharing your views - if many muslims feel that way it would be great it more of them made their voices heard | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 822 Registered: 12-2001 |
Fayyaz: While it may be bullshit, there are plenty of folks who have bought into the Wahabby view of the religion. Not asking you to defend your religion, just recognize that it is not the mild deviation from generally accepted thought, but a much broader movement than that. In addition, those folks are not harmless. And, while we Americans seem bent on believing that, once somebody enjoys a few Big Macs, they will be converted to our way of thinking, i think we are very naive. It is jihad according to the other side, and not merely terrorism for political or other secular reasons. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 395 Registered: 7-2001 |
Fayyaz, Which Khane do you go to in Vancouver?? | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2002 |
whart, the exact same could be said about the Bible, or the Torah, etc. There are extremists in every religion, and in this case, the Muslim extremists say, 'oh the Qu'ran said we should kill whoever is not Muslim'. Thats THEIR own interpretation of the Qu'ran. As literally any Muslim (obviously, myself included) will tell you, Islam is a religion of peace. All the bullshit you see/hear about jihad meaning to kill non-Muslims is just that: bullshit. From my own understanding, a jihad is the inner struggle to stay true to Islam. People like Osama Bin Laden are just as hated by most Muslims as he is hated by everyone else, perhaps even more so, as he does our religion a great disservice by giving ALL of us a bad name. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 819 Registered: 12-2001 |
Fayyaz: There is nothing intrinsically wrong with reading any book, but, unfortunately, many extremists have been taught to believe that the religion of the Prophet is meant to eliminate infidel, including more moderate Muslim believers. If it is not a tract of hatred for you, so much the better; perhaps you are enlightened. | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 158 Registered: 1-2003 |
70% of America is pro war. FOX has bised news toward their views. That means Fox will get those viewers. All they do is appeal to popular opinion. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2002 |
FNC must be doing something right, considering they are the #1 news channel in the country, and their shows consistently defeat CNN's... The 10 o'clock show on Fox gets higher ratings than CNN's 8 o' clock show... Although this probably has something to do with the fact that everyone is watching Fox's 8 o' clock show at that time ;-) | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2003 |
FOXnews is biased. Watch it for an hour and you will only see one opinion. CNN is more biased toward liberal views, but you will hear the FOX views on there. Fox will only show the views that the American government is always right. Fox will only show the views that the protesters are all bad and wrong Fox always skips the rest of the story. Fox caters to a specific audience, kind of like BET caters to a specific audience. | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2002 |
Whart: Actually, wouldn't it be funny if, in a few days, the regular audience of Al J. tuned in, only to find that the programming had been taken over by Fox, from Sean H., Bill O'Riled to Ozzy, the Married a Millionaire, etc. Might be more addicting than reading the Koran? and whats wrong with reading the Qu'ran? | ||
| Craig (Beachbum)
Junior Member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2002 |
Randall, FOX News? some people cant handle the truth | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Junior Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2002 |
Howie, Sorry bout that, I get a little riled up sometimes ;). What, do you propose, one should one watch then? Or throw it all out the window and just read the Washington Post? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 817 Registered: 12-2001 |
Actually, wouldn't it be funny if, in a few days, the regular audience of Al J. tuned in, only to find that the programming had been taken over by Fox, from Sean H., Bill O'Riled to Ozzy, the Married a Millionaire, etc. Might be more addicting than reading the Koran? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Junior Member Username: Randall Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2003 |
FOX seems more onesided than any network I've watched. Every interview has the same views. I've heard rumors that a Bush family member is involved in that network, but don't know of any truth to that. | ||
| Howie (Brokerofexotics)
Member Username: Brokerofexotics Post Number: 445 Registered: 11-2001 |
Mike...easy fella. Great pictures doesn't mean great news programming. MSNBC and FOX have the footage too. CNN is the most one sided news organization out there. They give more air time to terrorists and their "beliefs" than anyone else. They have been a farce for a long time. | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Junior Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 189 Registered: 10-2002 |
Howie, what a crock of ••••. CNN garbage? At least as a mechanism to provide live video feed from what's going on, I can't agree with that. Maybe you're the type to not belive that video images are actually *real* (they've got to be computer generated, right?). | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 633 Registered: 12-2001 |
Ken, LOL Al Jazeera is a sham of a news service, plain and simple. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 186 Registered: 2-2003 |
Here is the news from Iraq:  | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 851 Registered: 7-2002 |
I read that too. Surprises me actually b/c they could be viewed as US spies. I would kick them out as well, but I think they have bigger thigns to worry about right now. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 876 Registered: 3-2002 |
well evidently the iraqis don't think so, coz they just kicked cnn out of the country.... | ||
| Howie (Brokerofexotics)
Member Username: Brokerofexotics Post Number: 444 Registered: 11-2001 |
Al Jazeera, CNN, BBC..all the same garbage. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 870 Registered: 3-2002 |
aljazeera are the only (non iraqi) news service allowed to broadcast in iraq (and may be very heavily censored). so far they have not told their viewers about any defections, nor how the POWs are being treated, nor about any of the rapid advances made by the allies. essentially keeping the population in the dark about what their true situation and options are. hence the iraqis don't know that we are not mistreating deserters or POWs, don't know that there is little resistance etc. i think if they did know these things they would be more likely either to try escaping, try rising up against any guards that may be keeping them pinned down in likely target areas to provide some civilian casualties for the news, or just plain surrender and shorten the conflict. aljazeera advocates will say they can't report anymore than they are doing, but my reaction would be then to not report at all - because you are doing more harm than good. |