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Jere Dunham (Questioner)
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Post Number: 253
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 1:50 pm: | |
I have seen nothing showing them marching civilians in front as cover. Only hear the same stories you hear.
I saw something that was just a blurb about Saddam holding one of the pilots who went down in 1991 and having him travel with Saddam to act as his personal insurance policy. There is supposed to be a follow-up on it later. I believe I saw it on CNN but I am not entirely sure. |
Jere Dunham (Questioner)
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Post Number: 252
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
I was watching a BBC report a couple of days ago on BBC. They were reporting from the British troops and how they were offering relief items to the civilians who were fleeing. About that time they came under fire from mortars. There were many civilians crossing a small bridge at the time and the mortar shells starting falling all around them. They had not crossed the bridge yet, so the mortar shells were very short of their mark if they were intended for the British who were on the other side of the bridge. The machine gunning was from a report I heard on CNN from one of the imbedded journalists who said that they had seen some SUV type vehicles move in among the fleeing civilians and shooting started before British troops were able to come to assistance. It was reported that some British tanks helped repel the machine gunners but not before several people were hit.
Now I grew up believing we should only believe 25% of what we hear and only 50% of what we actually see so the machine gunning story has not been validated by film footage but I did see the footage of the mortar attack. Later they actually showed some of the Iraqi's who were attempting to flee. Many older people, women and children. It was not pretty. |
Randall (Randall)
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 1:12 pm: | |
Jere-
What channel did you see it on? I've been watching to see it happen, or to see Iraqs military marching civilians out in front of them, but haven't seen either happen. I believe they would shoot people that wouldn't take up arms to defend their country, I just can't believe the media isn't feasting on that footage, |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Post Number: 912
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:27 am: | |
because the thugs know if all the civillians leave then they have no cover to hide behind or people to rule if they did win. Desperate times call for desperate measures. |
Jere Dunham (Questioner)
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Post Number: 249
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:23 am: | |
You know, I have been watching the people of Basra attempt to leave only to be machine gunned and mortared by their own forces. Why do Saddams henchmen feel they have to kill their own civilians just because they want to flee from the fight?
It appears to me that there will be more civilians killed by their own people on purpose than the coalition is killing by accident. The coalition forces make every attempt to be exact in their bombing and missile attacks so that civilian areas are spared. At the same time the Iraqi terror troops are aiming directly at their own citizens who are attempting to escape. Why? Why? Why? How does it help your cause to kill your own people? How does it help world opinion to kill your own people? But then I guess Saddam and his sons have been doing it for years and it has become the accepted method of operation. "If you will not stand and fight for me, you must be against me, so you must die too".
Let the civilians flee and clear way for straight forward attack against the cowardly b*****ds who are doing this. We brought a war against a regime and selected personnel. We did not bring a war against the innocent citizens of Iraq. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 4:37 am: | |
"I don't have the numbers, and I don't feel like looking them up, but I'd be willing to guess we spend at least 2x what you do on education. The percentages are really the only things that matter anyway, and I'm not sure what those are either. "
I believe that when spend more on education than on military spending percentage-wise. Of course we can't match your spending on anything, we're a small country, our per-capita income is something like US$10,000 or so.
"Regardless, if you are spending all of your money on education, it certainly isn't working. If you wish to look up the numbers on education spending, while you are there maybe you should look up the numbers for patents filed, nobel prizes won, etc. The United States is the worlds leader in higher education. No one can despute this. Where do all of the smart Malaysians go to college? Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc."
You should be thankful that we spend more on elementary and secondary (high school) education so our sons and daughters can come to your country and take advantage of your excellent tertiary education. However, a growing number of children are preferring the local tertiary (college/university level) education too, due to geographical and financial reasons as well, and they have achieved some comparable results to people who received American tertiary education.
I noticed that a lot of foreign people working in the US that actually did file most of those patents and won those Nobel Prizes. Yes, we do send our children to Stanford, MIT etc, but we also send them to Oxford, Cambridge, Heriot-Watt, Strathclyde, Birmingham, ToDai (Tokyo Daigaku), India (I hear they have an excellent Medical program there) and other parts of the world that can give a good education besides the US.
In fact, I hear that this is the new policy considering the fact that the US government has for some reason denied student visa applications to our bright students even though they have already been accepted to the US colleges and universities you mentioned. I feel sorry for these young kids. Prosecuted for crimes they did not commit. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Username: Kiyoharu
Post Number: 156
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 4:09 am: | |
"MZF, you completly missed what I was trying to say. I was pointing out an obvious contradiction on your part. I do not believe might means right. I was trying to say that small countries do count too. You were the one that said small countries did not count here is what you said. "Support from most countries does not equal support from ALL countries. And while there are some big-name countries behind you, the rest are made up of small countries like Eritrea, Mongolia, Marshall Islands, Costa Rica, Solomon Islands, Macedonia, Uzbekistan and even Afghanistan is listed as a supporter." those are your words not mine. You were trying to imply that these small countries support for the war did not matter. I was saying it did!"
You implied wrong, I was trying to say that the countries that supported the war was mostly countries who had depended on US aid to survive, and if they didn't support the war, then those aids would be taken away without question. It's like a bribe, what good is a friend if you have to shove him money? He'll bolt when another person comes up with more money than yours in an instant. That might never happen, but stranger things has happened in the past.
Just so everyone knows, I learned that Japan is the second biggest donator of aid to poor countries, and I have heard that usually there are no hidden strings attached, to the point that if there is a change in leadership, the continuation of aid is unaffected so long as the change is done in a peaceful manner.
Also, I have read confirmed news reports that some of the countries said to be on the coalition's list didn't even know that they were on it (mostly the small Pacific Ocean nations), some countries are just there to provide moral support and doesn't want to send troops, and some countries which originally publicly supported the war decided not to be listed among the coalition (though I admit that they still privately support the war with logistics and limited troop support, Bulgaria, Poland and Italy is one example).
"Why is it that people like you can only talk about the bad aspects of things. "
Because sometimes the bad aspects are buried underneath all the good aspects, and sometimes it's these bad aspects that needs to be brought up so it will never happen again.
"What about all the countries we have saved over the years and all of the aid our country gives to the rest of the world."
I'm sure everyone is in gratitude for the US's role in ending the war, as well as the aid given throughout the years, but more often that not, there are hidden strings attached to it, sometimes causing a conflict within the recepient nation. It's not like the US gives it out directly from it's pockets either, sometimes the US use the World bank and the IMF to provide it. We all know how effective their recent track record is.
And like I said, other countries provide aid as well, though I admit that sometimes it's nowhere near the amount US gives.
"I think you are full of crap and you are totally clueless about the responsibility we have in world affairs. How about if we just take back all the aid we have given over the years, close our borders to everyone but US citizens, and no longer help any county that needs us when they get in a spot. We will give you buttholes what you want and when your world comes crashing down around you don't come crying to us for help!"
That is even more naive than my thinking. I don't claim that I know 100% how the world works, I bet nobody does, but I do know some of my stuff.
If the US ever does that, then you can say goodbye to cheap labor, cheap fuel, cheap resources unavailable in the US and also the supply of great scientists and engineers and other technical workers, the lose of respect as a world superpower (like there's any left after you guys went to war with Iraq) and will cause other potential economic and social problems.
Let's face it, it's a global world, the US needs the rest of the world as much as the rest of the world needs the US. It's a symbiotic relationship. No country can be a hermit and expects to be the best.
"One more thing. The reason your county has the luxury of such low spending on military is because we do it for you so quit being such an ingrate!"
The reason we don't spend trillions for our military budget is because we don't have trillions to spend on it, and we don't like the national deficit to reach obscene numbers like the US (the US has the biggest debt in the whole world, or you didn't know that?). We spend only if we can afford it, and we place more emphasis on education spending than on military needs.
Also, I never recalled our country asking the US for free military aid. The F/A-18s, the C-130s and the MiG-29s that we have on our Air Force were bought using our own money, not yours.
AFAIK, my country is one of the most vocal countries in this world with regards of having US military bases on our soil. We never asked for US military to have bases here, and we have objected to the US's plan to have bases in either our country or in our neighbors (Phillippines no longer have an actual base, though they, along with Singapore has a significant US military presence, of which we still object to nonetheless).
We are part of ASEAN (Association of South East Asian Nations), and we are trying to enact a zone of peace, freedom and neutrality. We try to take care of things our own way, and so far it has worked to some degree, proving that other way works, and not just the US's way. Go learn about it before you spout off nonsense. |
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
I don't have the numbers, and I don't feel like looking them up, but I'd be willing to guess we spend at least 2x what you do on education. The percentages are really the only things that matter anyway, and I'm not sure what those are either.
Regardless, if you are spending all of your money on education, it certainly isn't working. If you wish to look up the numbers on education spending, while you are there maybe you should look up the numbers for patents filed, nobel prizes won, etc. The United States is the worlds leader in higher education. No one can despute this. Where do all of the smart Malaysians go to college? Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.
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Charles Barton (Airbarton)
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Username: Airbarton
Post Number: 366
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:24 pm: | |
Randall, I think you should move to Malaysia! To answer your question, we will not have to worry about someone comming to Saddam's defense because they want him out as bad as we do. They are glad we are footing the bill, that is why they pretend to be against the war. They know if they support it they will have to chip in! |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:18 pm: | |
One more thing. The reason your county has the luxury of such low spending on military is because we do it for you so quit being such an ingrate! |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
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Post Number: 364
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 7:16 pm: | |
MZF, you completly missed what I was trying to say. I was pointing out an obvious contradiction on your part. I do not believe might means right. I was trying to say that small countries do count too. You were the one that said small countries did not count here is what you said. "Support from most countries does not equal support from ALL countries. And while there are some big-name countries behind you, the rest are made up of small countries like Eritrea, Mongolia, Marshall Islands, Costa Rica, Solomon Islands, Macedonia, Uzbekistan and even Afghanistan is listed as a supporter." those are your words not mine. You were trying to imply that these small countries support for the war did not matter. I was saying it did! Why is it that people like you can only talk about the bad aspects of things. What about all the countries we have saved over the years and all of the aid our country gives to the rest of the world. I think you are full of crap and you are totally clueless about the responsibility we have in world affairs. How about if we just take back all the aid we have given over the years, close our borders to everyone but US citizens, and no longer help any county that needs us when they get in a spot. We will give you buttholes what you want and when your world comes crashing down around you don't come crying to us for help! |
Randall (Randall)
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Username: Randall
Post Number: 211
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 1:12 am: | |
I thought you had the same rights, I was just hoping to point out to others that America is not the only free nation. In fact I've heard that some European countries have more rights than we do. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Username: Kiyoharu
Post Number: 152
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 12:36 am: | |
"Why would he have jealousy? Does MFZ lack the right that we have? Or does his country just lack the military?"
I thik we have our basic rights as outlined by most Human rights group, but I'm sure we don't have the military. Unlike other countries, we like to spend more government money on education and not on military needs, though the past few years, there has been an increase in defense spending.
Still I recall that Malaysia spent US$ 6 billion on military, but Singapore, our even tinier neighbour, spent US$ 18 billion in the same period. Just so you know.
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Erich Walz (Deleteall)
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Post Number: 211
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 8:28 pm: | |
"If another country or two actually starts to back Iraq with more than just sympathy (ie, weapons, money, fighters) what do we do then?"
Tell them we consider such conduct to be "hostile acts". |
Randall (Randall)
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Username: Randall
Post Number: 207
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 6:34 pm: | |
Why would he have jealousy? Does MFZ lack the right that we have? Or does his country just lack the military?
Here's a question:
If another country or two actually starts to back Iraq with more than just sympathy (ie, weapons, money, fighters) what do we do then? |
Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 4:57 pm: | |
Do I sense bitterness, jealousy, anti-americanism? nah... |
Tim N (Timn88)
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Post Number: 2667
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 11:32 am: | |
f-----g unbelieveable |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Username: Kiyoharu
Post Number: 147
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 11:11 am: | |
Whatever Charles. Keep deluding yourself that 'might is right'. It was WMDs one moment, then 'regime change', then 'liberating the oppressed', all I know is, it's not your contry being bombed to hell and back.
We have accepted the fact that we are small and insignificant country. Unfortunately, the people who are in the big powerful countries doesn't seem to have the same big minds either, as all they seem to know is to bomb the hell out of everyone who doesn't agree to their way, no matter how wrong their way is. |
Charles Barton (Airbarton)
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Post Number: 359
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 8:19 am: | |
MFZ I might point out that your county is a small one so I guess that means you don't count either. As far as a resolution is concerned, we don't need one to do the right thing. In this day and age the world does not need dictatorships and oppressive governments. Just because there are countries like yours that don't have the balls to take these regimes to task doesn't mean we should'nt. Somebody has to make the world a better place so if your not going to do it we are! Randall your comment also shows that you think small countries are insignificant. This is not about population size it is about seeing what is right and having the conviction to do something about it! |
Jerry W. (Tork1966)
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Post Number: 584
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 8:19 am: | |
I saw a news report last night about what barbarians Saddam's two a-hole kids really are. They are absolutely mental. The one that survived the assassination attempt in 1997 now is pretty f'ed up. He walks with a big gimp and so he had several of his buddies' legs broken so that he would not be the only one. Frequent torturing of men and women including the killing of a man who protested against letting Saddam's son have sex with the man's fiance...nice guy ha? |
ross koller (Ross)
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| | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2003 - 5:25 am: | |
mfz, sky news runs a poll virtually every day, and they consistently get a 60-80% pro war result. there are polls run by the newspapers as well, but i am not sure the results can be seen as accurate since readership is slanted by virtue of which newspaper they picked up.
i think many people are mistaking the very vocal crowds in the streets to constitute a majority. many more people do not choose to march, and are either neutral or for the war. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 10:48 pm: | |
Well, even in countries where the government do support the war, the citizens are mostly against it, case in point would be Britain. So the myth that all 30 nations listed wholeheartedly support the war is just that, a myth. |
Randall (Randall)
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Post Number: 184
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 4:44 pm: | |
Remember, just because the governments agree the people don't always feel the same. I've noticed lately that Americans don't seem to like democracy unless the people are agreeing to the American view. |
wm hart (Whart)
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Post Number: 832
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 4:03 pm: | |
Yes, and if you read the NY Times, which at least in my view, is not gung ho about the war, there was an article describing an Iraqi soldier our medics were caring for; apparently, he had been shot in the back of the head by a small calibre handgun, and explained that his commanders were "encouraging" his troops to fight by shooting at them from behind.
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ross koller (Ross)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 3:51 pm: | |
mfz, small countries don't count? am i hearing something politically incorrect from you?
nb; please don't respond with a weblink to the size and population of all the countries you listed. |
Randall (Randall)
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Post Number: 180
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 2:54 pm: | |
Charles
"we do have the support of most of the rest of the world."
We have the support of 31-35 countries(depends on what you read). I heard their populations total 1.7billion. I'm not a math genius, but I'm pretty sure that's no where near "most of the rest of the world".
We have a bunch of countries whose support was bought, countries that recieved financial gains by agreeing. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 1:53 pm: | |
Support from most countries does not equal support from ALL countries. And while there are some big-name countries behind you, the rest are made up of small countries like Eritrea, Mongolia, Marshall Islands, Costa Rica, Solomon Islands, Macedonia, Uzbekistan and even Afghanistan is listed as a supporter.
"BTW we do have a resolution that was voted for unanamously at the end of the gulf war, no one has enforced it until now."
What resolution was this? Isn't this for the disarmament or Iraq from WMDs? I've read it, and there's no automatic trigger for war, as many countries would have pointed out.
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Charles Barton (Airbarton)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 1:08 pm: | |
MFZ, we do have the support of most of the rest of the world. It is only a few countries, namely France & Russia that don't support the war. The fact is the countries who don't support us have alterior motives behind their lack of support. I think the real reason they don't support us is they don't want to help pay for the war. I think secretly they are glad and once we have this thing won everyone will be happy except Sadam. BTW we do have a resolution that was voted for unanamously at the end of the gulf war, no one has enforced it until now. Sadam should have been removed from power back then. If he had this would not be happening now. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 9:45 am: | |
Before people start flaming me, I'd like to elaborate on what I wrote earlier:
"Trying to do the right thing the wrong way, that's the way I see it."
The right thing in this case is to change the Iraqi regime/destroy the WMDs/secure the region/ensure the safety of our people/liberate the people of Iraq/whatever 'new' reasons the coalition comes up with in trying to justify this war.
The wrong way is obviously going to war without the backing of a UN resolution or mandate from the majority of the world's/region's countries.
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Jere Dunham (Questioner)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 9:37 am: | |
In Viet Nam our guys were told we could not bomb Hanoi itself so we dropped bombs nearby, blowing the forest to toothpicks with the idea that if they heard how close our bombs were and the damage they caused to the forest that they would surrender. But we had to be politically correct and not hit the civilian population. Yet the VC could come into Saigon and blow up cafes and other places where American soldiers might be along with whatever South Viet Namese citizens might be in the way.
I was on a Guided Missile Frigate and did air-intercept control with the planes dispatched from the carriers and control was released to us once they came far enough north and began their turn-in for their bombing runs. We had standing orders not to engage any Migs that may still be on a runway and that they had to be in the air posing a threat before we could authorize engagement. I once got in some kind of trouble because I received contact from one of our pilots and his wingman that they were over an airstrip and had spotted six migs rolling to take-off. I told them that their transmission to me was breaking up (even though it was quite clear) and that all I caught was the fact that they had spotted six migs. I gave them permission to engage. I think the pilots were surprised as the planes were still on the ground but I did receive a big "Read as affirmative permission to engage, thank you Toro". I could not see having to wait until six migs were in the air to our two planes and put our guys at that kind of risk to be politically correct. I had to go see the captain afterwards and was told that officially he had to write me up for my actions but that unofficially he was very happy with the outcome of it. Three migs destroyed and the other three damaged enough that they did not leave the runway. I found it interesting that on discharge I did not find the letter I had to sign in my service file. I guess somehow it mysteriously disappeared.
Political correctness!!! It has no place in wartime. Yes, the Geneva Convention should be observed on both sides but forget the political correctness to gain favorable world opinion. Why should our troops be sacrificed by being politically correct when the nations we are trying to gain the approval of want our protection and assistance but will not join in the effort to rid the world of these kind of regimes on injustice, cruelty and abuse. |
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
Trying to do the right thing the wrong way, that's the way I see it. |
ross koller (Ross)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 9:31 am: | |
lets face it, if we weren't trying so hard to keep civilian deaths in iraq to a minimum, the war would already be over and we wouldn't have lost any of our own. but we ARE trying to do the right thing, even though none of the unwilling will admit it. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 8:18 am: | |
I agree Dave. This reminds me of Vietnam tactics. Try to fight "fair" only to be taken back by guerilla tactics. Also, this is ironic, but in the revolutionary war didn't we whip the brits by fighting indian style..sneaking up and around etc while the brits stood in formation firing "fair".
We need to quit lolly gagging around and just start shooting anyone that approaches or gets in the way. War has to be so miserable and unbearable that one side gives up. We don't have and will never have world approval so get on with it.
What will happen if we withdraw? |
Dave (Maranelloman)
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 7:33 am: | |
Tom, many thanks for your message of support--it is quite appreciated!!
I don't think we are quite at the nuke stage yet, fellas.... And, sadly, these reports don't surprise me, coming as they do from a regime whose head (and his 2 even-more-brutal sons) regularly enjoys using wood chippers to slowly & horribly kill political dissidents so he can watch their faces while their bodies are consumed.
In fact, I expect many more of these reports.
IMO, we need to stop being the nice guys here. The Arab world will NEVER love us, whether we play a nice politically-correct war or a guerilla war, so why are we •••••-footing around? The only thing the Arab world respects is strength--and who is the strongest. And we won't be unless we really start teaching these pricks a lesson. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 10:11 pm: | |
Iraqi cities are like Cheetos. The only question is: Quick fried to a crackly crunch, or fire baked to a delicate crisp? Oh waiter, more cruise missles please. And could you please take this Baghdad platter back to the kitchen, it hasn't been cooked enough!
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Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Post Number: 285
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 10:06 pm: | |
These guys have no right to life. How can a government of a country be so horriable? Sadam has been knowen to kill people just for the enjoyment. I also heared that Sadam might be gearing up to relaese chemical weapons on U.S. forces once they get close to Baghdad. If that is the case then the U.S should just pull everyone back..save as many innocent people as they can and make Sadam and Iraq a distant memory with a few atomic bombs. That will shut the rest of the middle east up faster that anything.
I feel I must add this. On behalf of most Canadians I apologize for the actions of our government in a time when the U.s. needs our support and partnership. Please understand that the actions and words spoken by our governing body in no way reflects how the citizens of Canada feel about the U.S.A. I back the U.S. 100% with their efforts in Iraq and hope that they can make this world a better and safer place for us all. Oh yes this aslo goes for the brave men and women of the British fighting forces aswell. |
William Huber (Solipsist)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 9:47 pm: | |
... Holy sh!t. F*ck it, lets just nuke Baghdad. New Texas is coming soon to middle eastern country near you. |
Dave (Maranelloman)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 9:25 pm: | |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82285,00.html |
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