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ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 927
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 9:33 am:   

here you go link likers
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,438836,00.html
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Username: Kiyoharu

Post Number: 166
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:54 am:   

OK, we're both guilty of omitting the full story. Anyway, I still think those weapons were allowed to be used by Iraq in self-defense. There's no such thing as betrayal in those weapons, IMO.
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 923
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:46 am:   

the usa and uk sold plenty of armaments to iraq up till the first gulf war. thereafter they got most of their supplies from those other three. the difference, albeit subtle, is that prior that iraq was one of our client states; post the gulf war there were un sanctions against selling them stuff.
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
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Username: Kiyoharu

Post Number: 163
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 8:41 am:   

Comment on Chechnya is on the 'Peaceniks' thread, but got buried by other people's posts.

Ross, everyone sold weapons to Iraq, including the US and British. There was a news report from Reuters or something recently that said that the British forces found a cache of British arms (supposedly legal to own by Iraq) hidden in one of the towns they 'liberated'.

Also, what Iraq can't own are WMDs. They are allowed to own conventional weapons, presumably for self-defense. Something I think is what they are doing right now, defending their country from an invading force, no matter what your spin doctors say.

Don't act like everyone's innocent in this issue.
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 915
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 3:07 am:   

they keep finding a lot of armaments in iraq, that are of french, russian, and even some german origin....produced and received within the last 5 years.....some of the recent un shenanigans are starting to make sense.

btw, the germans just convicted 2 german arms dealers for having sold weapons to iraq....and you guys thought we were the only ones with a military industrial complex....
Dave (Maranelloman)
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Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 951
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 8:45 pm:   

Back on topic:


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Randall (Randall)
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Username: Randall

Post Number: 187
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 7:22 pm:   

Recent news says 50 dead and 1000 infected. It's supposed to be highly contagious. It is a valid concern, even though it's not affecting America.... yet.
djmonk (Davem)
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Username: Davem

Post Number: 209
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 7:15 pm:   

MFZ 12 people died an STILL no cure!?
SARS certainly need's one but after what a month maybe of being in the new's i would'nt hold my breath.
Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Username: Jimpo1

Post Number: 1499
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 3:53 pm:   

Stand back guys, but 12 people have died from this new disease! That's right 12! Not 11, but 12! It's an epidemic!

More people than that die every hour from starvation.
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 900
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 3:48 pm:   

mfz, come on buddy, no comment about chechnya? doesn't fit in with your neat little picture of the world where only the usa kills innocent people, especially muslims. come on, give me your opinion on russians in chechnya without linking me to some other website.
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm

Post Number: 3320
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 2:57 pm:   

And what about the British cargo ship waiting offshore for us to secure the country more before delivering more food. I guess we forgot about that one.

I wonder if those people would be so pro Saddam if it didn't mean death if they were to get caught not chanting for him with rifles in hand. How many soldiers that surrender at the first sight of U.S. troops were chanting Saddam is God two weeks ago in Baghdad...
Randall (Randall)
Junior Member
Username: Randall

Post Number: 179
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 2:42 pm:   

Yeah, I heard we disabled their water supply and replaced it with "truckloads". And we've brought in 1.2 million MRE's. Let's see, 1.5 million peopleX3 meals a day=4.5million meals. Yeah, 1.2m should feed that city.

Bret, maybe you should watch the video footage in their capital city. You'll see people chanting against America and parading around with assault rifles.
BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member
Username: Bretm

Post Number: 3317
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 2:21 pm:   

The Iraqi people don't seem to be too angry about us coming in there. They sure seem to like getting truck loads of fresh water and MREs in the cities we have now. All these people that protest, if you're so passionate about your cause why not go put yourself in danger. Talk is cheap. Oh wait, I forgot, you're not passionate... you just need something to and moan about. What'll it be next week...
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 891
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 9:27 am:   

http://www.templetonthorp.com/en/news94

link to cnn article showing death toll on chechnyan side to be over 13,000 'fighters' and an indeterminate but probably equally high toll of civilians.

your right though mfz, this flu epidemic is a much bigger threat to humanity.
MFZ (Kiyoharu)
Junior Member
Username: Kiyoharu

Post Number: 114
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 8:55 am:   

Right now, I assume the protesters are busy with an even bigger issue, which is obviously the war in Iraq. The war is so big news, so much that the next big issue (the severe acute respiratory syndrome or SARS) doesn't even show up in the front pages even though about a dozen people world-wide are already dead because of it and hundreds more have been infected and still no cure has been found for it.

Dave (Maranelloman)
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Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 938
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 7:26 am:   

Ah, there is no shortage of hypocrisy among those trying to stab the US in the back, eh, Ross?
ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross

Post Number: 884
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 4:21 am:   

does anybody else see the irony in russia railing against the usa at the un for causing civilian iraqi deaths, attacking saddam's regime without un mandate, taking too long to get it over with etcetc, when we still have their situation in chechnya going on? where are the protest marchers, the french and germans, the mfz's, the art's, of the world to highlight the plight of the poor chechnyans.

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