| Author | Message | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 757 Registered: 2-2002 |
There's a D-Type replica for sale at Vintage Motors in Sarasota: http://vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/Tempero/55dtype/55dtype.htm | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2243 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'll trade my Countach for a D type  | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 436 Registered: 9-2002 |
email sent. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 436 Registered: 4-2002 |
I wouldnt rule out any trade potential.... whatcha got? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 435 Registered: 9-2002 |
damn thats a pretty car. If only you would accept trades... ...if that is the case, email me. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2002 |
I've owned over 50 E-types and used to deal in them during the late 1980's. I'm currently getting back into the "classic car" trading game and I have a 1967 E-Type Roadster for sale. I drove a 1963 Roadster that I restored from the ground up for my last 2 years in college. At the time it was my only car. The unreliability stuff is nonsense... provided the car is maintained and driven. E-Types are not cars to be left in the garage and driven once a month. Treat an E this way, it will make you pay. The cars to own are 1965 to 1867 Series I roadsters. The earlier 3.8 liter cars have horrible brakes and non-syncro 1st gear transmissions that basically suck. They also have very uncomfortable seats and the center console is not as nice. The '68 to '71 series II cars are underpowered, burdened with emissions crap and have ugly large bumpers. Stay away. The series III V12 cars are mostly junk. Strombergs just dont work well on that engine and they are notorious for vapor lock and blown head gaskets. They are also slower than the early cars. Rust is the issue. Anyone who tells you they have an E-type with no rust and that has never had any rust is full of it. Unless its been stored in Arizona in a de-humidified, hermetically sealed room and NEVER driven a single mile since day one.... it has or has had rust. Fixing the rust can also be a real pain. Floors, sills, rocker panels, trunk floor, rear bulkhead, bonnet... they all rust. The center body unibody is made up of box sections that rust from the inside out. IT can all be repaired and its actually not rocket science but it is time consuming. E-Types were not built like Porsches. Dont expect anything like modern day build quality. The cars were thrown together on the assembly line with liberal use of a sledge hammer and lead body solder. The body seams were literally bashed in and filled at the factory. Because of this, E-types are not all identical. Fitting new body panels ALWAYS requires modification of the panel and bodywork to make it fit. However, all panels are available and not terribly expensive. The engines are bulletproof. The 3.8 and 4.2 XK Engine is a great lump. Very reliable, not hard to work on (except valve adjustments...) and they last a long time. These cars tend to run hot. The stock cooling system was just not up to US style warm weather. The fan is a joke. The best solution is a larger capacity radiator and upgraded electric fans. The electrical systems can give trouble, but are very simple and easy to fix. The E-type really is a great car for someone who will drive it frequently and is willing to "tinker" with it some. Little things can and will go wrong. they are usually simple and easy to fix. However, if your the type of guy who is terrified of an electrical test light and pays someone else to change a headlight bulb and E-Type will nickle and dime you to death. Here is a photo of the car I have for sale. $32,500.00. The floors and rocker panels have been replaced in the past. The doors were re-skinned and whomever did it was a moron. They need to be redone. The bonnet also needs some adjustment work (this is very common). The rust problems have all been dealt with, but the paintjob is poor. Basically it needs a really good $7K - $8k paintjob. The interior is very nice. The top is great. The engine has about 10K miles on it, no smoke and 45lb oil pressure when hot at 3k rpm. It shifts as it should. Within the past 2500 miles it has a completly new braking system, new clutch (an engine out deal) and rebuilt carbs. It really does drive great and mechanically is as nice as they come. ALL of the electrics work except the horn. Even the cigar lighter and little bulb by the choke lever work... It has the original radio and works great. I have all books and records going back to the original owners manual, dealer service and tons of stuff. The factory tool roll is original and 100% complete (thats worth $800 on ebay...). Basically its a good car that needs a nice paintjob to be really nice.   | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 975 Registered: 10-2002 |
"Faction" | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3286 Registered: 8-2002 |
You ever incorporate some of your own experiences into your movies...? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3285 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL...! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 973 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des Once down Mexico way I was at a party where Sam Peckenpaw was "sitting" in a chair. He was so drunk that he really couldn't sit up so his girlfriend had tied him to a chair. The Beatles were singing: "turn my face to the wall" "Fu*k that Jim. Always sit with you BACK to the wall" I always listen to good advice. Wasn't me... Best Jim | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1048 Registered: 3-2002 |
william if you are going to use the etype for cruising in miami, you absolutely positively need to get the oem fan changed to a 7 arm unit, AND put another one in front of the radiator, and both of these need to be able to be switched on manually from within the car. if you don't have this you are going to go up ina puff of smoke just about the time you've completed one round of ocean drive..... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3284 Registered: 8-2002 |
So James, is your back better since then...? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 971 Registered: 10-2002 |
William Whatever you do don't try to shag in a coupe. A few years ago an english woman met her lover in her husband's E Type coupe. The lover's back went out and he couldn't move. the husband got to watch the London police cut the top of his coupe off on TV news to extricate the couple. True Story. Best Jim | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2235 Registered: 2-2001 |
No problem Jim, I'll just roll up in my 4 wheeled phallus and say " So shall we shag now or shall we shag later ?" | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 969 Registered: 10-2002 |
William If you buy an E type you're going have to learn the lingo. The Brits call Babes "Crumpets". Many Brits consider the E type the greatest Crumpet catcher ever. Best Jim | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2233 Registered: 2-2001 |
this E type is a 4.2 6 cylinder, God its just gorgeous. Just restored, $40k + I wouldnt buy a heap, especially an english heap. The E type is a direct descendent of the LeMans conquering D type. I cant afford a D or a 58 TR , California, Maybe a 300SL but I'd rather just get a gorgeous E for not a lot of $ Its not going to be a daily driver, just for cruising around Miami Beach & checking out the bikinis | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 281 Registered: 2-2003 |
Crate Ford engine and tranny good for 350bhp is I think $3,500 or $4,500? That's what my friend wanted to use before he realized exactly how much frame work would be required, the height of the engine, overall appeal. Same friend also said.. "Modified Jaguars are nothing special, but put American muscle into them, and its like magic.. (full of mystique, etc)" | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2001 |
Chevys go in xj's, Fords go in E-Types. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 755 Registered: 8-2001 |
Why buy a beautifully restored E-Type to rip out the engine? Electrical systems, thats fine, but come on people! If you want something reliable get a Honda NSX | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 971 Registered: 5-2002 |
An important bit of info from that John's Cars site: In order to drop a Chevy V8 into an XKE, the XKE has to have been originally equipped with a V12. An XKE that came equipped with a 6 cylinder will require massive frame cutting and modifications in order to fit in a Chevy V8. Not really worth the trouble. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 279 Registered: 2-2003 |
One of my fav engine pics, in an XJS, owned by a friend of mine.  | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 278 Registered: 2-2003 |
John's Cars kits are very well put together kits in general. For the sedan V8 conversions, they are one of the best out there and are complete with everything you need. To fit a V8 is going to require a lot of frame work. A friend building a custom roadster is considering a crate engine but has decided to go with rebuilding his 4.2L straight six due to the nightmare of a conversion. A sedan is a different story. The XJ12's can run for several hundred thousand miles, are smooth, and a nice flat torque curve. You have to DRIVE them and not let them sit if you DON'T want them to leak and DON'T want them to break. Can an E-Type be built to be reliable? Yes and at a lot less cost then what your estimating. Spend $45-$55 and you can have a restored one to point in the direction of a sunset and go to Canada and back if you wanted to. Miami is the home of Pascal [email protected], an all around Jag guru, especially re: E-Types and R series Jags. If you intend to buy an E-Type, chat with him first and explore the Jag-Lovers.org archive. Tell him I said hello. I've been apart of that site for about 4 years now and have read it religiously for a lot of that time (but not E-Types). Sunny | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 970 Registered: 5-2002 |
James (and others), I just did a real quick search and found this link. It's probably one of the same guys that advertises in Hemmings. http://www.johnscars.com/xke/xke12.htm Looks like they have everything already figured out. | ||
| matt (Matthewmag)
New member Username: Matthewmag Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2002 |
William, Can they be made reliable? Yes. But bear in mind that the electrics aren't great, they rust, the brakes aren't great, the rear axle is just about ok, the suspension's not great, the "improved" s2 brakes aren't great, the early brakes make you glad that the floor panels rust out, the instruments aren't great, the list goes on, and did anyone mention that they rust a little. Most of them are dogs of course...... Oh, the engine and box (if it's the all synchro box) are pretty good though. The whole car's not great but I sort of really like them anyway. It definitely doesn't handle like a sports car of any description. I looked after this one for a friend for 3 years and built the engine. No kidding, it is the most terrifying car I have ever driven. I've driven a few S1 and S2 cars, never tried a S3....... I could suggest a few specialists if you need and if you fancy mailing me with specific questions about e's that's no prob although I'm slow to answer cause I've got a load of work to do. Jenks had an E-type (several I think) from new and swore that his was relaiable only because as soon as he took delivery, he went over the whole car and tightened up every single nut and bolt!  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 968 Registered: 10-2002 |
Arlie I've heard of this being done in a 4 door Jag but never in a E Type. I'd worry about the extra weight in the nose, fitting it under that bonnet, and getting it to cool. Best Jim | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 969 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hemmings Motor News has listings from numerous Jaguar parts dealers. There are several that specialize in Chevy V8 conversions for the Jaguar. Apparently the Jag V12 is not highly thought of. I also read in an engine swap book that the Chevy V8 into a Jag was one of the most difficult swaps to make because everything was such a tight fit. But there are several companies that have perfected the swap through the years. I have often wondered why you don't see Jag V12 engines being used more often in hot rods and kit cars. The V12 was also offered in the XJS series so there should be alot of them out there to play with. I think they are just not that rugged. Too much trouble to deal with so you just don't see much being done with those V12s. But the Jag does have a disc brake rear end with inboard discs and calipers, so the weight is removed from the outer ends of the halfshafts. Less wheel rebound when going over bumps. So I've read. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1371 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks. I need encouragement. I'm also concerned about routine maintenance costs. I'll probably put 12K-15K miles on per year and with a 15K mile service the first year, a 30K mile service the next, ect., it's probably going to be painful. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 967 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne I drove my 308GTBi for eight years 85,000 miles loved every mile. A 308 GT4 would cost less and be just as fun. Best Jim | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 966 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks for link. Perfect but pricey... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1370 Registered: 8-2002 |
A while back I was toying with the idea of buying a series I 4.2 coupe to use as a daily driver. Not being a "Jag guy," I logged into a Jag owner's message board and asked for some thoughts on my idea. Of all of the emails I received, not one recommeded I go through with it. Now I'm kicking around the idea of getting a 308 GT4 for daily use. Even though I'm more familiar with the drawbacks, somehow I haven't talked myself out of it yet. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1366 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, I don't know anybody who's bought one, but here's an article with additional info: http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/index.asp?storyId=4176 Looks like these things can cost upwards of $200K. Ouch. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 965 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne That's what I was talking about. Do you know anybody who's bought one of those? It does look like the way to go. Best Jim | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1365 Registered: 8-2002 |
William, if price is no object, it can be done: http://www.eagleetypes.com/index_ie.html | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 963 Registered: 10-2002 |
William There are co.'s in England that rebuild these cars and make them work. Check out "Classic Cars" UK car mag. A "normal" one will break your heart. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1116 Registered: 3-2001 |
Can a '65 e-type be made reliable? No. Why do the British drink warm beer? They have Lucas refrigerators. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2230 Registered: 2-2001 |
stock in Enron, United, Adelphia LOL | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1364 Registered: 8-2002 |
William, is there anything that you're not thinking of buying? | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 229 Registered: 12-2001 |
www.jag-lovers.org | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2226 Registered: 2-2001 |
Any e type owners here ? I'm looking at a gorgeous 65 roadster i am thinking of buying. Can they be made reliable ? Do you have to replace the whole electrical system ? Who makes a modern reliable electrical system for these cars ? What other weaknesses/ reliability issues can I expect ? Thanks |