| Author | Message | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 180 Registered: 6-2002 |
If I had full control over my dream, trust me, it'd be pleasant. | ||
| Bill Henderson (Willy)
New member Username: Willy Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2003 |
You could say the same about drinking  | ||
| Evan Jones (Jonesn)
Junior Member Username: Jonesn Post Number: 90 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim: Lucidity will give you a slight headache if you do it too long and too often, but nothing too serious if the dream was pleasant. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 1174 Registered: 7-2002 |
How rested are you after "controlling" a dream? I had one the other night and I knew i was dreaming so I kept going back til I got the result I wanted in the dream. However when I really woke up I was exhausted and frustrated from "fighting" with my dream. | ||
| Bill Henderson (Willy)
New member Username: Willy Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'd definitely be interested in something like that (if it worked). $250-300 is not much at all (if it works). Good idea to go to Psychology today etc. to add some credibility to it. Good luck!! | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 825 Registered: 12-2002 |
Evan, sorry my post came off wrong. I meant it jokingly. Your product does sound neat, so to your original question...Id love it! Good luck with it! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3727 Registered: 8-2002 |
The last thing i want is to remember what i dreamt of while sleeping, but this definitely sounds interesting, nonetheless... Evan, are you saying your device will help the dreamer control the dream once the dream starts or that your device will enable the dreamer to dream about whatever s/he wants...? | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 294 Registered: 1-2003 |
For the Nay-Sayers, remember what you drive and what you paid for it. This product may be a winner at Sharper Image. | ||
| Evan Jones (Jonesn)
Junior Member Username: Jonesn Post Number: 88 Registered: 8-2002 |
First off, thanks for all the responses. Every one helps me consider a new dynamic approach to my work. David S: I don't expect the average Joe to buy my product at $300. But, after all things considered about my costs, that's the lowest I can go without losing the necessary quality. I have no plans of selling the concept or design to anyone, since I have outstanding start-up capital available through family connections (friends in Bentonville, Ark). Also, I absolutely agree about the patent protection issue. Last I checked, it takes on average 18 months to get a patent approved, since our (US) Patent Dept is seriously underfunded. Thankfully I have the means to put up the costs for a team of lawyers to get the patents covered internationally, and besides, the efforts to create a global patent agency for harmonization of national patent laws will come into play within 5 years. Doody: My product/device doesn't actually subconsciously force the user into lucidity (that's not possible). Rather, it provides a systematic method to enter lucidity, sort of like presenting a "door" to them (Aldous Huxley?). The books you mentioned are probably by Dr Steven LaBerge at Stanford University, who is the leading researcher on dream science and the inventor of the NovaDreamer. I can't tell you the details of the design, since obviously that would give it all away. But, I can tell you that most all of my work is based on Dr LaBerge's discoveries. Mike B: By all means, I am going to get my product to the attention of crebible news sources. I'll start with Psychology Today, Time, and (with good timing) the Robb Report (for their annual gift issue). My product simply makes it easier to enter lucidity, but it doesn't guarantee it (not mind control). The first stages of lucidity are when you realize you're dreaming but you can't control the outcome of events/concepts; just observation. How the user progresses into the more advanced stages of lucidity is up to them. Just so you know, dream analysis is entirely based on the person; so any "dream dictionary" you see is complete nonsense. I plan to offer the product through our own stores and internet sales, so returns are quite simple. Dan: Vanilla Sky is one of my favorite movies, despite the fact that the movie was absolutely contrary to cognitive science. (1) You can't experience cognition while you're frozen, (2) you can't have 150 years of REM sleep, and (3) you certainly can't experience any cognition after an overdose of pain-killers (it shuts down your limbic system). John: I'd rather ask my potential customers about the idea than having a bunch of bored cognitive scientists breaking into my house. I already know what they would ask, not to mention what limited concepts they know. Tim N: After working for Ferrari, it's sort of a necessary evil that I have the means to buy these cars. Otherwise I'll go insane and steal one of yours. Jordan: Thanks for the offer, but like I mentioned before, I $$ have $$ connections $$ to $$ the $$ richest $$ family $$ in $$ the $$ world $$$. The Waltons are pretty close to us, and I have no intention of offering public shares in my company. Randall: What you mentioned is the NovaDreamer offered by The Lucidity Institute (www.lucidity.com). The price of a NovaDreamer is about $325, the same price it's been at for 10 years. It's success rate for induction prompt is about 35%, while my product is around 90%. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 806 Registered: 12-2002 |
That seems simple and easy. Did they really work though? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2003 |
I saw something similar to this about 15 years ago. The one that I saw you wore on your head while you slept. It essentially had motion detectors in front of your eyes, and when it detected rapid eye movement it had tiny lights (I think) that were supposed to alert you that you were dreaming, but not bright enough to wake you. Once you were alerted you could then control your dreams (in theory). I think these were selling for about the same price at the county fair. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 805 Registered: 12-2002 |
Evan, if you do decide to make it and start your company and it really is for real. Let me know $. Id love to help $$. I think $$ it would be $$ fun! If it is for real, take David's advice and use it for scientific research, not really public sale. Get it patented too...or else youll be screwed. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2897 Registered: 6-2001 |
I guess when he is not detaling cars, he is developing devices that can control dreams. interesting. | ||
| John (Cohiba_man)
Junior Member Username: Cohiba_man Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2003 |
Lets get this straight, you've invented and developed (arguably) one of the most important and revolutionary devices in modern history- as a student, and you ask an online car forum for advice on it? If it works, you will be a billionaire before the end of this year, why would you be on online forums asking for opinions? The scientific community would JUMP on a device like this with WAY better advice than any of us can give....something smells... | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 476 Registered: 9-2002 |
Did you watch Vanilla Sky recently? --Dan | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, I've done plenty of market research and I know sugar coating things won't help, so please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just trying to be honest. My first impression would be that this is a "gimmick" similar to those magnetic bracelets, so I would likely not give it a serious look in a store unless I had knowledge that this product DID work. If it really worked, I'd expect to see major stories in the NY Times, WSJ, and on major news shows. If I did not see those, I'd almost certainly dismiss it as BS. Second, I am not sure what you mean by "lucid dreaming". Do you mean I would remember my dreams, or do you mean I would be somewhat lucid during dreaming and I could "choose" what I was dreaming about? If it helped me remember my dreams, I would not care. Why do I care if I remember my dreams? Unless I was into dream analysis, I can't see why I would want to remember them such that I'd pay $250-300 for something to effect this. I'd write it off as somewhat of a gimmick like aromatherapy candles, magnetic bracelets, and holistic medicine. If you mean I could control my dreams, I would need some serious convincing this worked before I'd shell out $250-300 for it. I would most likely want some sort of iron-clad return policy so I could be SURE I could get my money back if it worked, and the reason I say that is I would be 99% convinced it would not work, since if it did, it would be a scientific breakthrough that would shock the world and those never happen from someone coming up with a new product and selling in stores, in my experience. I would not buy it mail-order because I feel I'd have no recourse if it went wrong, and I also know that I'm generally too lazy to actually box it up and return it. So, I'd only buy it from a store like Walmart or maybe Sharper Image, etc. Just my .02. I'd like to hear more about it also since it seems too far fetched to be true. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1004 Registered: 11-2001 |
i'm no PhD on the topic, but i know more than the average bear about brain structure and function, and i do not believe you could create a "product" that could "systematically induce" lucid dreaming beyond the currently known mechanisms (cf. below). there are numerous books on the topic out there that try to teach you how to simply train your own brain to notice and interrupt dreams - and i've had a few friends get somewhere with them, though their hit rate at turning a dream lucid was minimal and random at best. the books go for $10 to $20 or so. what are you planning to sell, exactly, evan? doody. | ||
| David S (Djs308)
Junior Member Username: Djs308 Post Number: 145 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hmm...sounds like an interesting concept. But my thinking is you aren't likely to find many customers among the general public willing to pay that much. However, if you market and sell your idea directly to a scientific research group, AND you can prove your product/method really works and is the real deal, you could do very well. Of course, before any of that, get your idea/product registered and patented long before you show or demonstrate it to ANYBODY!! And get a really good lawyer before starting out so nobody can rip you off. good luck. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 814 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sounds interesting, care to explain what it is? | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 803 Registered: 12-2002 |
How does that work? Id be interested maybe...but I just dont see how a machine can induce lucid dreaming. | ||
| Evan Jones (Jonesn)
Junior Member Username: Jonesn Post Number: 87 Registered: 8-2002 |
I'm going to start my company in about two years, and I already have the product designed and all, but now I have some market research to do. So, if you had a reliable and simple product available to you that systematically induced lucid dreaming during REM sleep, would you pay $250-300 for it? There aren't any harmful side effects, and it's relatively easy to learn (almost like learning the PC over again). 120 day money back guarantee as well. |