| Author | Message | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4355 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, No, Tim, he was leaning back in his chair... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3091 Registered: 6-2001 |
He get caught cheating, DES? | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 136 Registered: 7-2001 |
from http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/older.htm :
so the answer is no for teens. Don't know how it stacks up against the entire under 25 group. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4337 Registered: 8-2002 |
Art, you don't know the half of it; i took a scissor in the chin in kindergarten, broke a few bones in accidents not related to cars and so on... & apparently, i wasn't rambunctious as a kid... & that's just the stuff i can remember...! LOL...! i used to know someone, though, who had a friend who broke his leg playing chess. Figure that out...  Mr. G., when are you going to write a book...? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1466 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des That was 1968 and no I wasn't a driver in that race. It was a different time. You could walk around the pits and introduce yourself to the drivers and they were happy to say hello and show you their cars. Especially in the practice days before the race. The Grand Prix course was layed out on the public roads. The remaments of the pits are still there. I'll never forget that big red truck pulling into the field behind the stands. One truck transporting 2 312 F1 cars. The white lettering shown in the sun. Ferrari. I was 18, as Bob said "Didn't have a care..." | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1827 Registered: 6-2001 |
DES: When did they paint the target on you? You've had waaay too many accidents for someone your age. Art | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
Junior Member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2002 |
I agree...test EVERYBODY every so often...but the tests here in BC are a joke...just drive 50 km/h, nothing more, look like you pay attention, shoulder check, be able to parallel park withing 5 tries, and you pass... I think that on the tests they should just have you drive, as long as its safe driving, you pass, not necessarily that you MUST be under 50km/h, and stop 10 ft from the stop sign, etc... I have friends who have passed their road tests, yet are honestly, some of the worst drivers I have seen... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3080 Registered: 6-2001 |
No way. Male drivers ages 18-25 just do stupid stuff. I'll tell you that i take chances when i drive sometimes. When i first got my license, i really did some stupid stuff, not necessarily speeding, but other stuff. I'm sure 75% of the peolpe here would tell you that looking back on it, they did not drive responsibly when they were in thier teens. Theres a reason why insurance is so much higher for males between 18 and 25 than any other group. I feel that most accidents in this age group occur because the individual intentionally drives recklessly, not because they are incapable of driving. Also, teens are much more likely to drive drunk, which causes them to drive even more recklessly. I see people of all age groups that shouldnt be on the road. So many people have no idea whats going on around them when they drive. I cant even remember all the times someone's almost changed lanes into me and cut me off. One thing that really gets to me is when someone does 55 in the left lane and all the other lanes are open. The left lane is for PASSING, not driving 55 in, or driving in at all. I wish cops would ticket everyone who rides the left lane so people will not ride in it, at any speed. Alot of people who do this are old people, and women in SUV's. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 632 Registered: 11-2002 |
Aaron, I'm all for testing at ALL ages. Cheers | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4334 Registered: 8-2002 |
i won't stereotype an age group (i hate people of all ages, equally. ) but i will say that the majority of folks out there who cut me off, don't use their blinker, don't stop at stop signs and just don't plain pay attention are the elderly... What pisses me off more than anything is after you beep your horn at them (or flip them off) they either don't even acknowledge you ('cause they're still not paying attention) or they look at you like your some punk with an attitude... i sometimes wonder how come i don't see accidents every 100 yards on busy Friday afternoons around here... In defense of the elderly, however, every accident i've ever been in didn't involve anyone over the age of 65... A few months after my 13th birthday, i was riding a friend's bicycle in the street (residential neighborhood)... Some 23 year old kid in a Grand Prix hit me at what was approximated to be 65mph. because i was so small and on a small bike, i was basically sucked under the car; his car hit three other parked cars before it came to a stop. People in the neighborhood came out of their houses, gathered around the car and collectively lifted up one end and pulled me out from under it... A broken left clavicle, a broken tooth, a fat lip, a swollen ear, a concussion and some minor abrasions were all i incurred. 11 Hours later, i woke up in the hospital; of which, i was discharged 4 days later... My only lasting injury is back pain... When i was 10, i was a back seat passenger in a car that lost control at approximately 80-85mph. After hitting the guard rail, the car bounced back across all three lanes and hit the concrete divider. 5 minutes of unconsciousness and a big bump on my head were the extent of my injuries... The driver was in her 30's, drunk and coked up. My first-ever driving accident was my fault. Misjudged my speed and the distance to the stop sign. It had just rained. i slid out into an intersection and an oncoming Neon took off my bumper and totalled into a tree... My $100 deductible at the rental car agency was the extent of my injuries; the other driver was fine, as well... (Oddly enough, they won't let me rent from there, anymore...) My second-ever driving accident was not my fault. Rear quarter panel (gas tank area) was worse off than the hit felt; a gentleman in a MerceDES was the culprit; he was in his 40's... (his car only had a scratch...) People of all ages are dangerous... Mr. G., have you ever had a day in your life that wasn't straight out of a movie...? Were you a driver in that Grand Prix...? | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1819 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nika: Myself and a few others are old enough to get into AARP (although I refuse to do so). James claims to be ancient, but hasn't given us his real age. Art | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 199 Registered: 8-2002 |
I was in line at a 4 way stop once.A lady in a minivan in front of me pulled out as it was her turn to go.A old lady came right thru the stop sign and plowed the minivan. The look on the old lady's face was like WTF? She had no clue it was her fault. I've seen close calls many times since then. I'm all for testing over a certain age. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1465 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sasha When you get to my advanced age the reflections around that kid's mouth will look like foam to you too. As for the #'s they speak for themselves and take into consideration miles driven. As bad as the ageing process is Drinking and testorone is MUCH worse. I'm sure you're sick of ancients like me telling you about young drunk drivers but if you had be driving with me on that June night back to Paris from the French Grand Prix in Rouen when the young drunk crossed a double line to pass in the rain and hit me head on at a combined speed of 165mph (Him 105 me 60) you might feel differently. The good news for me was that I was in a Rover 3500. The bad news for him was that he was in a Renault. He died. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1728 Registered: 1-2002 |
Driving is a privelege, not a "right". Unfortunately, in this country, few people realize this, thus explaining tens of millions of mouthbreathing horrendous drivers. In Europe, it is treated like the privelege it is, and the drivers, in the majority, are outstanding. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 953 Registered: 12-2001 |
yikes! Hence why I will never live THERE! You guys let AARP and other seniors lobby groups get away with murder - literally! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 620 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hahaha That's right Art. CA is a different world altogether. That's why the funny face Nika. Cheers | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1810 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nika: We're from California, and it is a right here. Just ask the 90 year old whose trying to get his car started and his seeing eye dog into the car. Art | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 952 Registered: 12-2001 |
Driving licenses are ONLY taken away when there are signs that the driver is not capable of operating a vehicle safely...they DON'T take them away for the hell of it..... | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 951 Registered: 12-2001 |
By all means - if he CAN drive safely - let him - no matter WHAT his age! BUT if his eyesight is not up to par and he does not have adequate reaction times and cannot operate a vehicle safely I think he is a selfish !@#$% to still drive and put MY and my family's life in danger. IT IS NOT A RIGHT!... This is not voting....free speech...it is something that takes certain skill. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 617 Registered: 11-2002 |
Notice I mentioned rights, not privilege. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 616 Registered: 11-2002 |
My dad is getting close to hitting that age group and he's a better driver than I am. He could probably lap me in a track in one of his prewar Bentleys even if I was driving a 360 Challenge car. There are exceptions to the rule. Since my mother passed away (from a car accident with a drunk college kid driver) all he has to keep busy and for fun is golf and driving. If one were to take his driving away from him they would be taking a big part of his life away. Not fair. I believe in stringent driver education programs and tests that we should all be subject to. I don't believe however that a certain age group, be it young or old should have their rights revoked. Cheers | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
Member Username: Racernika Post Number: 949 Registered: 12-2001 |
OOOOOOOOOOOOh this is a real sore spot for me. Driving is a priviledge not a right - when you cannot safely operate a vehicle no matter WHAT your age is - you should NOT drive. My neighbor was Grandpa dynamite - drove even when they took his license away. WHat an arrogant jerk. I video taped him and told him that while I don;t care about him he could seriously hurt someone else....if I saw him again I'd take the tape to the police. He was horrible! Drove off with his cane on the roof of his car....ran over the flower beds.....YIKES. STatistics show that 16-21 year olds have the most accidents then it levels off until you reach 65+ drivers. But the statistics fail to show that many of the elderly drivers DO NOT drive as often as others. THAT is even more scary! Lobby groups life AARP are the reason retesting is not required........they are a powerful group since THEY vote while the young do not. I can go on and on.....I've debated this until blue in the face. I just remember the young mother dragged to her death because an elderly woman hit her...didn't even realize she did and drove home. Manslaughter? I call it murder. | ||
| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2003 |
and im still not quite sure i understand what you mean by "foamy mouth".. i cant even see his mouth. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4323 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 69 Registered: 4-2003 |
and i wonder if that statistic exists only because there are more drivers under 25 on the road than ones over 65.. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 4322 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well, regardless of what anyone thinks, no one should ever be worried about getting into a car with me. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 548 Registered: 1-2003 |
Before he passed away, my father was the worst driver on earth. He always bitched and moaned that he had to pay for turn signals and side view mirrors on his '67 Chevelle! Check out the demographics of Sr's that move to Florida just to keep their DL's because the laws are so laxed. I drove there last spring and it was the biggest group of 'Caterac's in Cadilac's' I have ever seen! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1464 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sasha Look at the mouth of the guy sitting in the car pulled over by the cop that you snapped. http://www.vti.se/info/fonyhet/edetalj.asp?RecID=2282&Lang=E There are many bad drivers and sad things that happen but most fatal accidents involve young drivers, not drivers over 65... | ||
| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2003 |
james lol, i dont think i know what "foamy mouth" you're talking about.. and im not stating that it is true in all cases. i just have always felt that some elderly do not belong on the road.. and the same goes for people in my age group.. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1463 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sasha I'm not placing blame. I'm stating facts. Drivers under 25 are responsible for more fatal accidents than any other group of drivers. Would you get into a car with that guy with the foamy mouth? | ||
| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2003 |
unfortunately, it is not just one incident. i was in an accident myself with an elderly couple a couple of years ago, the driver barely had the strength to get out of the car, let alone operate a vehicle.. not to mention, they could barely see 2 feet in front of them. this story is awful, but can you really place all the blame on the "young people". what about the elderly who do 40mph on a 65mph highway? to me, that is just as dangerous. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1461 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sasha One incident does not a statisic make. Unfortuneately its the young, like the guy with the foamy mouth in that pic you snapped, who keep the organ harvesters in biz. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 613 Registered: 11-2002 |
That's awful. Poor couple. | ||
| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 66 Registered: 4-2003 |
May 28 2003 A Queens woman was killed when her husband accidentally ran over her in the driveway to their home, police said. Mary Yackel, 81, was killed at about 12:22 p.m. Tuesday when her husband Walter, 83, left her at the entrance to their driveway so that he could park the car. While Yackel waited for his wife to move away from the front of the car, the vehicle accelerated and ran her over, dragging her under the car about 30 yards. Neighbors said Walter, a retiree, and Mary, a housewife, had been married for more than 50 years. They said the man sat visibly shaken on the front porch to the house after the accident. Police were treating the death as an accident, said police spokeswoman Det. Carolyn Chew. | ||
| Anonymous |
I was in a car accident and I thougt I wasn't going to live again. It was an experience to remember. I am only sixteen years old and it is just a blessing that I am still here. You should never judge anyone by there age. |