| Author | Message | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 626 Registered: 9-2002 |
Whart, the G wagen is unchanged since what, the 70s? The UNIMOG since what, the 60s? I read an article on them, they are amazing "little" "trucks." | ||
| Noelrp (Noelrp)
Member Username: Noelrp Post Number: 261 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ta-ek, LOL | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1191 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gee, if i was going to get the ultimate SUV, i guess i'd have to go UNIMOG. http://www.mercedes-benz.com/e/ecars/unimog/default.htm | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 754 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'd rather have a Ford Explorer because that way I could dust him. If a Cayenne owner is being an ass about it and you gas it, he'll punch it too and still tailgate!  Cheers | ||
| Noelrp (Noelrp)
Member Username: Noelrp Post Number: 260 Registered: 8-2001 |
I think the new Range Rover is going to be the most desirable Range Rover to ever be produced. Why? it's because of the BMW hardware. Not only it has BMW engine, it also has the BMW feel, electronics, switches, smell, and all. I agree it's better than Cayenne S but not Cayenne Turbo. Interesting to note that all these SUV are so much safer than most cars on the road today. Appreciate and dont hate them. Put it this way. Which one would rather be tailgating you .. a Ford Explorer or a Cayenne? | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 562 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sorry for the off-thread remarks. The Cayenne turbo is a sporty SUV on steroids to be sure. Yes, it is less powerful at this time. Its not a 100% done deal though. At the JCNA Challenge Championship in AZ recently, the execs confirmed they are very seriously considering the AJ-V8. Switching to the AJ-V8 will simplify things for the dealers who will be able to phase out training and parts on the beemer engine. All Jaguar dealers are becoming Land Rover dealers (if they aren't already). With it appearing in an Aston Martin, Ford is intent on sharing the parts bins and it gives them a way, albeit with mods, to not depend on BMW and all the personnel and $$ its costing and will cost. With that said, a Rover is not going to compete with the Cayenne or even close to it, anytime soon with this vision. Sunny | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 623 Registered: 9-2002 |
Sunny, thats still less than the current Gen BMW 8 or the 2 gen old 12. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 561 Registered: 2-2003 |
Forget Rover having a new BMW engine. They are going to use the Jaguar AJ-V8 as the power plant in a year or two. Its also the engine for the AMV8, though tweaked for more HP like an Arden. I don't think the Rover will have a 'stuffer (supercharger), so it will put out 300hp/300ft from a 4.2L unless they up the displacement. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3133 Registered: 6-2001 |
The X5 4.6 has 340hp. It shouldnt be too long before one of the car mags compares them. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 620 Registered: 9-2002 |
Kenny, actually, that�s the sad part. If BMW didn�t sell LR, the new Rover would be powered by the current generation of BMW engines and not the last generation. The M62 is a great engine, but compared to Porsche�s 340 hp, the 282 hp is just sad. If BMW still had control, we would have a M73 V12 powered rover (same engine as my E38...that would have been heaven�with a respectable 326 hp and 360 ft-lbs of torque�mind you this engine is also 3 generations old in terms of BMW engine design). And if BMW did use their current Gen engines, we would have the ~330hp V8 from the current E65 7 series (it must be slightly re-designed for off-roading)�and maybe the 760�s current V12 with over 400 hp! Then the Rover would be true Porsche competition. Right now it�s a half completed dream...but then I would still have bought the MKII Range if it was the only one in production, just because I loved my MKII! She never let me down and obeyed me like well, a well trained dog..ahh my old rover. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 722 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rijk's is a Turbo though. Now that puppy can fly! Top o' the food chain if you ask me. Cheers | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 945 Registered: 8-2001 |
The new Rovers are awesome cars with the BMW 4.4i V8's... Porsche CayenneS vs. the new Range Rover, good comparison. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 720 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks for elaborating. Haven't the Range Rovers suffered from reliability woes though? I know people who have owned them and never will again. I have heard that they are incredible off roaders though. Cheers | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 618 Registered: 9-2002 |
I had one (98 HSE), and just passed up the Porsche and put a deposit on the 03 Range. I looked into the Cayenne, but well it screamed LOOK AT ME far more than the Rover did, and since I am going to use it as my daily, I didn't like that. The interior didnt work for me as well either(on the Cayenne). I have a (now old) E38 750iL, which remains one of my favorite cars, and the interior feel of the MKIII Range is best described as a hybrid between the MKII (which is also nostalgic for me) and the E38. Mind you they kept only the good from the MKII. People complained that the MKIII has a hard to use Nav, well its the same as my E38, as with most buttons, so to me, the New Range's controls are well perfect. When I sat in the MKIII, the salesmen asked if I had any questions on what the buttons did, on reviewing them all, I was happy to say "No, thank you." The drive is wonderful IMO of the Range (compared to the MKII), and while the Cayenne offers all the features of the Range with more power, the final sticker on a equally optioned S is higher than the Range's would be. Basicily which glove fits best.... | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 717 Registered: 11-2002 |
Range Rover is better? If you make a comment like that enlighten us as to why please . I personally have little hands on experience with Range Rovers. Only hand me down info. They're really slow, aren't they? Cheers | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 617 Registered: 9-2002 |
Range Rover is better but that those damn porsches are fast. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 147 Registered: 2-2003 |
I think the car looks great and has the performance to boot. I mean come on I've driven an escalade and their slogan "the most powerful suv on the planet" is garbage. I would much rather own a cayenneS or turbo for that matter then the caddy. There really is nothing else like it. Also from what I read the SUV does everything it is designed to do whether that be spirited driving to going off road. I think the front looks cool, but I am not a huge fan of the back. Erik | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 686 Registered: 11-2002 |
Very nice Rijk! I don't care what everyone says about the Cayenne. As of right now it's the ONLY SUV that I'd buy. I think it looks the part and I don't think it's too far fetched from Porsche. Porsche has been racing off road for quite some time. Their famous 959 did the Paris-Dakkar and won twice in a row until the factory stopped. They have also won numerous rallies with the 911 and the 959. Why does everyone think a Porsche SUV is so far out of the question? I think it falls right in with what the company does. Especially since the performance on the thing is sizzzzzling. Cheers | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2003 |
If they sold ther RS6 Avant over here, I would likely take it over the Cayenne Turbo also. But I believe we only get the sedan  But what does it matter, I can't buy either! | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
Junior Member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2002 |
I've seen at least 15 or 20 driving around in Vancouver...I personally think theyre ugly as sin, but they seem to be very capable...I dont like SUVs however, so I dont liek the Cayenne | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1518 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ill take an Audi RS6 Avant over it. Ernesto | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 232 Registered: 1-2002 |
I can live with it  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 679 Registered: 11-2002 |
  Two pics of the Cayenne I spotted hauling ass on the highway. By the way, Felix says "Hi". Cheers | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
New member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2003 |
Yes, I drove a Cayenne Turbo the day they were introduced (March 15th, if I remember right). I was VERY impressed in all aspects. It was really cool to have four people riding in absolute luxury, then punch it and have everyone's head snap back. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 676 Registered: 11-2002 |
I too hope that Ferrari doesn't put out an SUV too. But I do hope that Maserati will put out the Kubang! The Cayenne is far from a POS. I saw one at the dealership and I was impressed with it. I had a sighting on the road too. Will post pics later. The Turbo is fast I hear. Cheers | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2001 |
It's very good and capable vehicle. Has gotten better lap times than a carrera...but yes, its ugly | ||
| michael Alpert (Taters)
New member Username: Taters Post Number: 33 Registered: 5-2003 |
I drove past my Porsche-Ferrari-Audi dealer yesterday afternoon.I hope to god Ferrari never puts out a pos like this.I am so sick and tired of these sheep with there SUV's It makes me want to vomit! |