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DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 4590
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
Ben - LMAO...!!!
MIke B. - there are times when i tip for better service the next time around; i can't recall a time it hasn't worked... There's a restaurant i go to once in a while around here (The Milano Grill) and my first time in, i tipped big; subsequently, i do it everytime i go in there, now, because the service is always top-notch. Drinks at the bar are usually free for me and whomever has joined me, as well... If anyone ever goes there (it's in Commack, on Long Island, NY) ask for Craig, tell him Carbon sent you... Very nice place... |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 705
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:36 pm: | |
Let me tell you where I do NOT tip: You go to a place to eat and there is a jar in front of the register that says TIPS. No way, Jose! I don't give a dime to anyone with their hand out as if 'I owe them'. |
BILL CHIUSANO (My355)
Junior Member
Username: My355
Post Number: 129
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:25 pm: | |
I do one of 3 things
-tip the total of the bill (there is an appproprate time) usually for future impact
or if I want to really help "her".
-20 % when service is exellent
-0.00 when I'll never come back |
Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member
Username: Srt_mike
Post Number: 219
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:15 pm: | |
I'm the best tipper ever. I used to go out to eat twice a week with my ex-GF, and we had a system whereby if someone gave crap service they MAYBE got $1 or so on a $50-60 food bill. Decent service would get 15%-20% depending on whether it was passable or "quite good but not outstanding". But, I always set aside 25% for a tip... if I only gave 15%, the other 10% stayed "in the pot"
When someone went out of their way and gave exemplary service, they got the whole pot. I remember giving a $50 tip on a $30 meal once. She was shocked. But it made me feel good to see the look when they come back with the slip for me to sign or what not.
The one thing that does aggravate me is people who tip "just so you get better service next time". I remember "tipping" a guy $50 to do a good job on my car when it needed painted. When it was done it looked like ass and the owner refused to make it right. I felt like a grade A sucker to have paid $50 MORE than the bill to get such a crap outcome - but my reasoning was I needed to tip to get a good job done and on bodywork on a car I could only tip beforehand.
I think there is too much entitlement thinking in this society. People tip their doctors and mechanics? That's too much. I know a guy who complained last year about XMas. He was expected to tip his mailman, paperboy, mechanic, secretary, parking valet at his work, and various other people. He felt it had gotten out of hand and I agreed. I never tip a valet - they dont care. They will ding your car anyways and then you're screwed. I never tip unless I have already or will receive "something extra" for the tip - like if a valet let me park up front, then I'd tip him, or if a doorman helped me with my bags AFTER I asked him for help, then I'd tip him. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 1159
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 7:24 pm: | |
I take it we aren't talking about cows. (lol)
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Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 117
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 5:58 pm: | |
Yuck, the Galleria... Shopped there as a kid, and never went back... Definitely not a good place to work if you're looking to make decent wages.. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member
Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 4571
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 4:12 pm: | |
i was a waiter once - and please accept my most humblest of apologies if you ever ate at Mr. Greenjeans in the Galleria, in White Plains, NY and were waited on by some scrawny teenager who just couldn't get your order straight - that was me.
Anyway, you get paid under minimum wage (WAY under) and unless you're giving top notch service to some very generous people, your tips suck... i was lucky if i got tipped at all...
i can only recall a very few times that i've given less than 15% - and i eat out A LOT...! If you get 15% or less from me, then the service was just way beyond shitty... i've been there, i've gone that route and i'll never forget it; sometimes your tips make the difference between walking home or taking the bus home... Or getting home and going to bed or actually having money to stop for dinner before you go home... i can't remember the last time i was in a nice restaurant and tipped less than 40%... These people deal with grumpy, nasty people and employees all day; give them a break. |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 114
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
I think Tony's right,,,
There are high margin businesses, and low margin businesses...
The restaurant industry is super competitive and people can treat you like crap because..
A) it's not an innovative concept, like a new software, or drug etc.
B) Barrier to entry is not high..
C) It's not a service customers cannot live without.. Even if your's was the only restaurant in town, if patrons don't like it, they can eat at home..
It's unfortunate your girlfriend is stuck in an unpleasant industry, dealing with assholes day in and day out can be draining.. I hope she finds something better soon.. |
Tony Roberts (Pantera)
Junior Member
Username: Pantera
Post Number: 124
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 3:56 pm: | |
Peter,
Business is business, you do what is necessary
to make a profit. When you are self-employed
you can't depend on anyone but yourself.
A man once told me " If you work for yourself
and make 50,000 it would be like working for
someone else and making 100,000" |
Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member
Username: Mmayeux73
Post Number: 452
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 3:49 pm: | |
I give 15% if the service is ok and 20% if it's really good and maybe a little more if it is absolutely perfect!-(this is rare) |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 703
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:16 pm: | |
Dave...About 'Tight Ass Owners'..That is so far from the truth! My girlfriend owns two restaurants. Its no picnic being an owner. Her wait staff makes more than she does. restauranters' are not in this stupid business for the money, they do it out of love for the trade. Owners have skyrocketing taxes and insane workmans comp rates. They deal with many people in which food service is the only type of jobs they can find. You deal with flakey employees on a daily basis. Many of which look for things to trip over to come up with bogus workers comp claims. On top of this, they will sue the owner for 'neglegence', take you to court with their sleazy lawyers and rake your wallet over the coals. I can give you three examples of these low-life busboy and waitress trailer-trash parasites that have almost cost my girlfriend her business with bogus claims. They get thousands from workers comp over a knee 'injury' and are now 'disabled', only to suck more off the system! I got thown out of a local hospital last week because I got into a screaming match with the hospital admissions clerk. She told the patient (who worked in a restaurant and came in for a cut on his hand from his own knife) who he should call to file a workers comp claim and the names of one of three lawyers to call. I was escorted out by two police officers she called. Other items include increasing gas and electric bills that are ruining the bottom lines of most businesses (in California at least), increased food costs, advertising, etc. My girlfriend has put over $50K of her own money into her business in the last two years. She is not alone. To my opinion that she should get out of the business, to her and many others, its like cocaine, very adicting business...Don't ask me why. I look up to a tight-ass restaurant owner. If they don't watch their pennies to save their dollars, they will soon not have a business. Its extremely rough. |
Lou B (Toby91)
Junior Member
Username: Toby91
Post Number: 198
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 2:04 pm: | |
I always thought the menu prices were F.O.B. kitchen. |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 106
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:22 pm: | |
Peter, you must be an exception rather than the norm...
I worked $10 an hour jobs working at a custom golf shop, doing custom orders, rush while you wait jobs, and little personal favors here and there, and NEVER once got tipped... and these were people from all walks of life from fortune 1000 CEO's to the shop plumber..
The times doesnt seemed to have changed much being enrolled in grad school either.. I interview for summer jobs and internships, & many times I never even hear back despite polite requests via phone and email...
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PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 702
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:05 pm: | |
Kendall..My doctor gets a nice box of Ethel-M candies at Christmas time. Regardless of what professionals charge for their trade, in ratio, their bills, they are no different from someone that makes ten dollars an hours, its all relative. Even a Thank You card goes a long way! |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 102
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:54 pm: | |
Damn, I'm in the wrong field... |
Tony Roberts (Pantera)
Junior Member
Username: Pantera
Post Number: 121
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:50 pm: | |
I have two mechanics and at Christmas time
I always bring them Gift baskets and a gift
certificate to Ruth Chris Steakhouse! |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 101
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:38 pm: | |
My mechanic does very well incidently.. He drives an XK120, an S500, has a 308, his daughter drives an A4 and he lives in a $600k + house in NJ..
Incidently, when a mechanic charges $75 an hour for labor, do you honestly think that's an exact one hours worth of labor?? One hour's worth of actual labor is usually charged at least 1 1/2 or 2 hours cost... |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 100
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:34 pm: | |
I never looked down on mechanics... But let me ask you this... How many of you actually tipped your doctor before?? My friend's a lawyer, he always says, clients are crying about their exhorbitant fees, much less buying them gifts... and I worked at several brokerage firms in college as internships and jobs.. not ONCE have I EVER seen a client buy their broker gifts.. It's always the other way around... |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 698
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:28 pm: | |
Kendall...LOL??? I think not. A Ferrari mechanic is every bit as a professional as a respected lawyer, doctor or a stock broker. Getting their fingernails dirty is part of their trade. With the money we spend on our cars ( i.e.: a 30K service that can run an easy $5K), just a stinken 1% ($50.00) to the mechanic goes a long way in the care he or she will take on your next visit. We may have no problem at paying a 20% tip at a restaurant and piss and moan of the idea of paying a 1% tip to a mechanic? Time to get real here! |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 94
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:10 pm: | |
Peter-
A bottle of wine and thank you cards?? lol..These are mechanics we're talking about, not a high class hooker... You know, these are guys who have grease under their fingernails, and smell of motor oil.. I buy my mechanic lunch, and always stop to ask him about his kids and family... Always worked for me.. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 1402
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:51 am: | |
I used to run a small restaurant/bakery where no tips were taken. labor was the biggest profit killer and the highest employee I had made $7.20/hr. Most made about $5.25/hr. Have a slow day or misjudge the # employees and you lost money. |
Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member
Username: Dapper
Post Number: 707
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:28 am: | |
Fair enough but food for thought, if none of you ever tipped in restaurants the tight ass owner would have to pay a fair wage |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 695
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:17 am: | |
If your mechanic works for the owner of the shop, he or she should receive a tip if the work is to par. If the owner worked on your car and the work is acceptable, send him or her a nice bottle of wine and a thank you card. This will go a LONG way the next time your car breaks down! |
Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Junior Member
Username: Kenny
Post Number: 80
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:40 am: | |
Tony-
There are 2 people you never want to piss off..
A) The person who handles your food..
B) The person who works on your car..
I assume your cheap friend is not some road warrior who never dines in the same place twice.. It is advisable that he leave an appropriate tip, particularly in a place he dines at periodically.. The waitstaff will remember you either way..
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Tim G (Timgos)
New member
Username: Timgos
Post Number: 29
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:25 am: | |
This thread reminded me of a scene in the movie Resivour Dogs.
(skip this posting if you're offended by profanity, sexist, or racist
remarks)
- restaurant scene-
[Joe is picking up the tab and told the others
to toss in a buck each for the tip]
Eddie: All right, everybody cough up some green.
[ everyone except Mr. Pink tosses in a dollar ]
C'mon throw in a buck.
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make ••••.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that -- she don't make enough money,
she can quit.
Eddie: I don't even know a ••••••• Jew who'd have the balls to say
that. Uh, let me just get this straight: you don't ever
tip, huh?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right,
I mean I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip: if they
really put forth the effort, I'll give them something extra.
But, I mean, this tipping automatically, it's for the birds.
[laughter]
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their
job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, this girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was OK. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your ••••?
[much laughter]
Eddie: I'd go over 12% for that.
Mr. Pink: Hey, look: I ordered coffee, right? Now, we've been here a
long ••••••• time, she's only filled my cup three times. I
mean, when I order coffee, I want it filled six times.
Mr. Blonde: Six times. Well, you know, what if she's too fuckin' busy?
Mr. Pink: The words "too fuckin' busy" shouldn't be in a waitress's
vocabulary.
Eddie: Excuse me, Mr. Pink, the last ••••••• thing you need is
another cup of coffee.
[laughter]
Mr. Pink: Jesus Christ. I mean, these ladies aren't starving to death.
They make minimum wage. You know I used to work minimum wage,
and when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that
society deemed tipworthy.
Mr. Blue: You don't care they're counting on your tips to live?
Mr. Pink: [pauses, holds up hand, rubbing finger and thumb together] You
know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing
just for the waitresses.
Mr. White: You don't have any idea what you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This is a hard job.
Mr. Pink: So's working at McDonalds, but you don't feel the need to tip
them, do ya? Well, why not? They're serving you food. But
no: society says don't tip these guys over here, but tip these
guys over here. That's bullshit.
Mr. White: Waitressing is the number one occupation for female non-college
graduates in this country. It's the one job basically any
woman can get and make a living on. The reason is because of
their tips.
Mr. Pink: [pauses] •••• all that.
[laughter, background: "Jesus Christ!"]
Mr. Pink: I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips; that's
•••••• up. That ain't my fault. I mean, it would appear that
waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in
the ass on a regular basis. I mean, it would be -- show me a
a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that,
I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what
I won't do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit you're
giving me, I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type.
'cause if you're expectin' me to help out with the rent, you're
in for a big fuckin' surprise.
Mr. Orange: [jokingly, reaching for the tips] He's convinced me. Give me
my dollar back.
Eddie: Hey! Leave the dollars there.
[Joe comes back]
Joe: All right, ramblers, let's get rambling.
[gathers tips, looks at them]
Wait a minute - who didn't throw in?
Mr. Orange: Mr. Pink.
Joe: [looks at Orange] Mr. Pink? [looks at Pink] Why not?
Mr. Orange: He don't tip.
Joe: [looks at Orange] He don't tip? [looks at Pink] Whaddaya mean
you don't tip?
Mr. Orange: He don't believe in it.
Joe: [looks at Orange] shut up. [looks at Pink] Whaddaya mean you
don't believe in it? C'mon you, cough up a buck ya cheap
bastard. I paid for your goddamn breakfast.
Mr. Pink: All right. Since you paid for the breakfast, I'll put in.
But normally I would never do this.
[Mr. Pink puts in a buck]
Joe: Never mind what you normally would do. Just cough in your
goddamn buck like everybody else.
[Mr. White gives the address book back] Thank you.
[end] |
Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member
Username: Craigfl
Post Number: 612
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 10:14 am: | |
Here's the way I view it. The waitstaff can essentially be "middlemen" and add no value to the dining experience if they want -- zero tip. They are doing just what they are being paid for by the establishment.
If the waitstaff decide to add value to the process, esentially creating their own business, they can provide some better level of service (to whatever extent they want) and get additional money for it. As with all businesses, sometimes this additional work doesn't pay off and sometimes it does -- it's part of running your own business. But... just because it doesn't pay off ONE time doesn't mean it's bad and should be stopped. Those of us with our own businesses know we shouldn't try to tune our bottom line with single transactions.
Most employers, including myself, look for people who add value to the business. Most businesses use wages, perks and bonuses to reward people for adding value as opposed to tips. My belief is that wait people have the ultimate control over their wages because they don't have to count on a third person to recognize their performance and reward them.
I also undestand that this concept is probably not understood by most people nor do they believe it -- So tips to them are required.
I have left anywhere from zero to a 50% tip depending on what kind of service I get. |
PeterS (Peters)
Member
Username: Peters
Post Number: 692
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 9:40 am: | |
"Now people want 25% just for doing what they are already paid to do"....Jim, tips is the reason they do their jobs! Now, 25% is the exception I will pay for only the best service. At that point, I will ask for the manager and the wait person to visit my table for the presentation of the tip. Thats a class way to do it. On the flip side, if the service I receive is so bad, I will invite the manager to my table to explain why I am NOT leaving a tip. If you get bad service and leave only 5-8%, you just look cheap and will not get your point to the wait person. In general for good service, I will leave 15-20%. Please keep in mind that the wait person does not keep all of this money. They tip out the cooks, the bartenders, the dishwashers, their buss people and sometimes the hostess. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 5255
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 9:37 am: | |
My frame of mind is usually the wait staff only gets paid $1.50 or so an hour. They need tips just to get a standard wage, much less going above and beyond. Think too that usually the staff will have to come in at lunch and get 2 hours of good traffic, sit there all afternoon with hardly any customers and then get maybe 3 good hours at night. I usually always tip 20% unless the service was bad. I never worked in this industry, I always worked my ass off for minimum wage, nothing more. |
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 1400
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 9:25 am: | |
Yes it does!
I was in New Orleans and a guy small tipped the bartender as we were sitting down. As the customer walked away the bartender threw the handful of change at the customer and yelled something.
I was at Hooters and got terrible service. So on my bill I left a nickle and wrote.."try harder next time". She followed me out the door yelling "what the F***!"
I probably shouldn't have done that, but the beer was doing my thinking.
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Christopher F. (Dallasguy)
Junior Member
Username: Dallasguy
Post Number: 152
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 9:24 am: | |
Having worked as a bus boy a long long time ago, I certainly understand the need for tipping. However, I am biased to tip based on service. I always prided myself on the service I provided irregardless of the tip I got. I figured that if I kept up the good work, the law of averages would work out in the end.
On that same note, if someone gives me outstanding service, I will go out of my way to tell them so and slip a little something extra into the bill. However, if someone is blatently ignoring us, like a guy a few weeks ago who simply stood across the room in plain sight talking basketball very loudly with his fellow waiters while our drinks went empty, I will respond with a tip that is low enough to signal my attitude towards that service. |
Craig A (Milo)
Member
Username: Milo
Post Number: 266
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 8:41 am: | |
I tip based on the service I get. You keep my glass filled you get the customary 15%. But if you have only two customers and I continually have to ask for things or track you down you will definitely get less if any at all.
Does leaving a penny tip really piss the waiter/waitress off?
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Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Intermediate Member
Username: Jim_schad
Post Number: 1399
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 8:22 am: | |
when did tipping become expected? surely it began as an "extra little somthing" for your service above and beyond the usual service. Now people wat 25% just for doing what they are already paid to do. When I get to work early my boss doesn't slip a little extra in my desk drawer. That is called "working overtime as required"
I usually overtip, but I hate it being expected just because they brought me my food like I ordered. If you aren't paid enough then get a better job. |
Dave White (Dwhite)
New member
Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 7:53 am: | |
Most people who tip and are generous come from either an understanding of the economics of a certain type of service business regarding wages for the employees or they have worked for tips at one point in life. I usually over tip because i worked as a busboy in HS. You never forget. The cheapsters are always out there, some even talking a big game. If you can't afford the tip don't go out, it is all part of the bill. My wife tips everyone who does anything in the house - her father was a tavern owner. |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 1965
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 7:38 am: | |
10-4 GOOD BUDDY...ILL CALL YA LATER.. |
Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member
Username: Qferrari
Post Number: 398
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 7:27 am: | |
Fine, as long as when you come to DC, its our treat!
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Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 1964
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 6:59 am: | |
MARQ-- MORNING MATE
WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE..ITS MY TREAT..YOU ARE IN BADA-BING TERRITORY...ANDREAS/ AND MY PLEASURE..
BRUCE |
Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member
Username: Qferrari
Post Number: 396
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 6:37 am: | |
Jeeez, Bruce...remind me to leave the tip when we dine out in NJ....
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Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 6:00 am: | |
SEND HIM TO NJ..IF HE OFFERS NO TIP..HE SLEEPS WITH THE FISH.. |
Jeff Howe (Ferrari_uk)
Member
Username: Ferrari_uk
Post Number: 305
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 5:53 am: | |
It's generally 10% in Britain. If however we receive bad service it's zero ! As it's not the custom over here bar/restaurant staff have to earn it. |
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member
Username: Ferraristuff
Post Number: 773
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 4:04 am: | |
Ship them to Europe where tipping is not customary nor neccessary but merely courteous....
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Tony Roberts (Pantera)
Junior Member
Username: Pantera
Post Number: 88
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 3:16 am: | |
My friend is so cheap he never want's to leave
a tip. How do you handle your cheap ass friends! |