| Author | Message | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 243 Registered: 3-2002 |
Art: I was NOT bashing California. I just cannot understand how small corporations can compete on a national level with all the extra overhead they have to burden themselves with. In relation to our education we also have some of the upper crust private prep schools. I have nothing to do with this. Rice University in Houston is amongst the best private schools in the country. Our medical center is tops. We do have a little more here than oil and rusted pickups. You cannot tax the upper middle class to death. You do not want to strangle the golden goose. Something needs to be fixed. Throwing tax money (either state or federal) at some of the worst inner city neighborhoods will not change a thing. This holds true for the the best and worst successful state in the country. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 883 Registered: 1-2003 |
Arthur..You may be correct that 'All states are hurting in their tax revenue'. Do you think there may be a common thread in regard to how these states are being ran? I just can't believe that a top, clean Fortune 50 CFO would let these problems happen if they were running a state...Where am I wrong here? | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1939 Registered: 6-2001 |
Guys: Texas is larger than California, was settled first, has tremonous oil reserves, is conservative, but you know what? it has a lower standard of living, lower educational level. I wonder why. Perhaps could it right wing attitude get in the way of its economic developement? No, that would be too simple, wouldn't it. All states are hurting in their tax revenue. It's a direct result of the National decline in the economy, coupled with reduced federal spending. Bashing each other's state, and its politics won't get us anywhere. California is the 7th (or 5th) largest economy in the world, and if we were a seperate nation, we'd have the highest standard of living in the entire world. That didn't happen by chance. You pay for your infrastructure one way or the other. We choice to do it our way, and sometimes it hurts. Legal tax avoidance isn't wrong, it's just smart. Having said all of the above, it's a funny occurance that those areas which the conservatives seem to pick upon have the highest educational level in the inhabitants, the highest per capita earnings, and a very, very good standard of living. Here in California, the central valley is full of those who'd critize the coastal areas where we are liberal. However, we're better educated, have far more assets, and earn a lot more money than those who live in the central valley. Is there a lesson there, nah, too easy, huh? Art | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 760 Registered: 9-2002 |
Gabe, with all respect due to TX, god forbid the day texas mentality 'conquers' CA. The only positive things I can say about Gray Davis is that the schedule of rates is well established. A new governor means we gotta figure out the $ situation all over again.  --Dan | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 242 Registered: 3-2002 |
Gabe V Santa Fe, N.M. is just like Calif where the cities and the other parts of the State are completly different. Santa Fe is really extreme. Our family has been going to Santa Fe to snow ski for over 35 years. I feel I can talk a little about Santa Fe. Wow what a place. You have the wealthy anglos that live on the north side and mixed in are the most strange collection of weirdos and the like. You name it, and it is there. The south side is latinos, natives and working people. Wal Mart is on the south side of the city. There are not many anti-war, Nader, anti-meat, etc... stickers in the Wal Mart parking lot. The rest of the State is republican conservative. It must be a funny situation with Santa Fe and the rest of New Mexico. How do they coexisist? | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 868 Registered: 1-2003 |
What do you call a democratic candidate in California that does not support illegal immigration? (The sound of somebody's fingers snapping)....'Oh Waiter...Waiter'! | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 569 Registered: 1-2003 |
It isn't just Cali though. I don't think any politician really wants to crack down on illegal immigrants. Some pretend to, bit really don't want to do anything. It's too many voters to screw with. And if they do crack down, what can they do? I look at some of the problems and don't think there's any cost effective way of dealing with them. Some countries give physical punishments to illegals and then send their ass home, and that's the only way I see to deal with the problem. If the 3x increase was for a valid use (only one I can think of is an excellent mass transit system) then I would agree with it. The problem is the money will just be wasted. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 241 Registered: 3-2002 |
The big thing about California I do not understand is how do corporations large and (especially) small that sell throughout the country prosper while having significant assets in the State ? Obviously there are alot of small businesses that do commerce in other states. It must be difficult when they have competition from other companies that do not have to put up with the B.S. The overhead must be tremendous in relation to a large portion of the country. Forget the back woods of Mississippi. What about ~ Arizona Nevada Texas Oregon Compare the prices of homes for major metropolitan areas between Calif and the States mentioned above. Your real estate prices are quite high. I am not going to mention all the other items: insurance, gas, taxes etc.... Any comments ? I love to visit California. Good Luck with the problems. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 865 Registered: 1-2003 |
Gabe..Correct-o-mundo. The main problem that is increasing in California is the extremely high number of Mexican and Asian people that have come in to the state that are NOT legal citizens. Please note that I welcome any person of any race into this state (and country) that contributes and pays their fair share. I have worked with engineers from China that bring their parents here. The first thing they do is sign them up for SSI! Thanks to wonderful Diane F. and her friggen 'Motor-Voter' law, one does not have to be a citizen to vote, just have a driver�s license. Someone tell me that most of the lower paid people (immigrants specifically) in this state will not vote in the liberal demoncats..excuse me, Democrats that will continue their gravy train of beny's to these people. California government never had the balls to close their damn borders to illegal immigration and this is a major reason why we so many financial problems. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 240 Registered: 3-2002 |
Peter What can I say? There is always a bad apple in the tree. Just like all the bizzare apples posting on F Chat lately ! I do not have alot of employees. You never know who will be good and who you can't get rid of fast enough. Sometimes it really surprises you which way it turns out. You can tell pretty quickly (most) of the time. I just turned a driver into an outside sales rep calling on physicians. She used to clean homes before being a driver. No offense to anyone. She is white anglo saxon. She is determined to succeed and learn. She was a superb driver. She got sloshed at the last X mas party and made sure everyone was happy with singing and the like. I realized at the party that what the hell is she doing as a driver ? She is our fastest growing rep. She will make it. It is nice to talk about a success story. All this from a lady who used to clean homes. Now just think of all these bums that never even try. That girl that had to go after two weeks had NO intention of ever working. She WANTED to file for unemployment from the beginning. Anyway I do not want to completly steal this post. Yes I love the DMV as much as you do. Peter is that a Maserati in the background of your profile ? Nice 308 you have. I posted within the last month about finding a glass 308 GTB. I really want to be a poseur after all. | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
Junior Member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2003 |
Ralph, Liberalism is a disease that works off emotion and this state is in full control of liberal democrats. If demos want to see their working model of how things are supposed to be, they need look not further than this state. They should be overjoyed, they have full control and everything they have tried has failed! Your analogy of weapons is good, Liberal Democrat Diane Fienstien is anti-gun, yet she herself has a firearm herself. I guess only the noble class are allowed to carry. However, this state is not an entire loss yet. It just turns out that the coastal sliver in the major cities are predominantly democrat, while the rest of the state, composed of farms, mountainous terrain and easy going poeple of good values are republican. Its just that there was not enough of them to sway the vote turnout. This state has the most perfect weather and sights you could ever see, too bad the people running the operations here have hit rock bottom and started to dig. Texas needs to conquer and take over this state....and this is coming from a native Kalifornian. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 863 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ralph..You are so right. You also may be too nice of a boss. My girlfriend is the same type and she only gets stabbed in the back by her employees that sue because they know the laws on on their side. Maybe there is a good reason that Martha and Leona are real bitches in business. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 239 Registered: 3-2002 |
Hi to the Communist Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Shell Premium 93 Octane gas is $1.59 a gallon in Texas. Kalifornia has a most liberal gun ownership program. How are assault weapons used in a crime ? Not often. Check the statistics. Soldiers in Switzerland and Israel take home fully automatic weapons with them. I do not often read or hear about soldiers from those two countries using their weapons to commit crimes. That leads one to conclude about the foolishness of abolishing assault rifles and the like for law abiding citizens. (About ALL of these states) In one sentence ~ They are coming after our money. They do not have money to pay for all of their inefficient programs. The State "system" is very inefficient. I took an employee of mine to a federal office to obtain help with a problem that was difficult to solve (over the (telephone)). She commented about how quiet and relaxed the entire office was !!!! I told her that they can afford to hire five people to do the work of three. I had to let a girl go at the office who after two weeks was telling us what she could and could not do on the job. She called me back two weeks later to advise me on what to say to the labor board when she filed for unemployment. I let a driver go when he did not show back up to work from his vacation. He just called back to get the dates of when he had an accident. His accident was about six - nine months ago. I guess his back is hurting all the sudden. At least ( from our standpoint ) thankfully; it was not his fault. The people in California are really taking it on the chin. Beautiful State. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2033 Registered: 1-2002 |
I've got 3 words for y'all out there on the Left Coast, aka the Socialist Republik of Kalifornia: RECALL GRAY DAVIS | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 278 Registered: 3-2003 |
Cool, my hunt for a DMV assistant starts tomorrow. Wifey's car is not on trade plates. Thanks, Faisal. | ||
| Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
New member Username: Malcolmb Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2002 |
these are independant agents in each city, they do work for dealers and can go to the dealer window etc. Call a shop or check the "yellow" pages. For all I know the DMV has a list. My contact would be worthless unless you live in San Diego. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 276 Registered: 3-2003 |
Malcom, what a great idea...please post contact info! Many thanks, Faisal. | ||
| Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
New member Username: Malcolmb Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2002 |
Chris: I couldnt stand the idea of going to the DMV. Called a certified inspector who does work for the dealers. For $25.00 she did the inspection of the car I imported from another state and took care of all the DMV work. I couldnt stand it and gave her $100., worth it to not go to the DWV.Actually, prob worth $500. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 611 Registered: 2-2003 |
Taek, its a really good idea. A couple friends and I wanted ours just to have knowing our affinity for cars. Now more then ever if this change is allowed to remain. Cheers, Sunny | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1207 Registered: 11-2002 |
The wholesaler's license is a good idea. I know of some people who have done it. I actually went and took the class and all that, but never actually went through with it. It was a brief class that was pretty cheap too. You can definitely save a bundle by purchasing this way. Most exotic car dealerships won't care to sell to a wholesaler either as long as you tell them your intentions of evading high taxes et al. I think I still have some literature from the class if you're interested Art. I had to get my license within a year of the class, but never did. I'm thinking of taking it again if I do start any sort of exotic car purchasing again. Cheers | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 610 Registered: 2-2003 |
What can we do to fight the Oct 1st? I don't want to bend over and pay over $800 in November for a 7 year old car to register it. •••• Davis and anyone who supported this change. Sunny | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 851 Registered: 1-2003 |
Edward..OK. Last year my new Concord (one year old) cost me $267 for the reg on first renewal. Lets say it goes down 10% in October. With 3X after that, the fees would be $720. What am I missing here? | ||
| Edward (Edward_96gts)
Junior Member Username: Edward_96gts Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2002 |
"I paid the taxes on the sales price for the first years reg." ??????? Peters,the sales tax and reg are totally diferent entities. Reg fees decrease as the car ages,but this new law will establish a new base line. Hope this helps. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 849 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ben..I am looking at my three car reg's. I think I am right. I paid the taxes on the sale price for the first years reg and it decreases a bit every year from that point. Its nuts! | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 147 Registered: 8-2002 |
If this keeps up the Boxer is going in the living room | ||
| Dave Shears (Daveshears)
Junior Member Username: Daveshears Post Number: 65 Registered: 3-2001 |
Art are you going to get your wholesale license at your law office or out of your home? I am doing the same thing as well. You get to jump through many hoops to make this happen. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1161 Registered: 1-2001 |
PeterS - Not sure where you are getting those #'s I currently pay about $400 to reg the TR in CA. Not that I like the sound of 3x that any better. Unless you are referring to purchase/sales tax which is a 1x fee (not yearly) that can be avoidable. I hear you can Reg your car in Montana without even going there ($30), OTOH - if you have out of state places you MUCH more susuptable to being pulled over, then since you have a CA license they have right to cite you. -Ben | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 5429 Registered: 8-2002 |
McClintock said that he wants to begin circulating petitions in support of two separate statewide initiatives that target the car tax. One measure, aimed at changing state law, would permanently set the tax at $1 per year. The other proposal, which would change the state's constitution, would abolish the car tax altogether. The difference is that the constitutional initiative requires almost twice as many signatures to qualify for the ballot, about 600,000, as the $1 measure. McClintock said that while he is confident he can gather all the support he needs for eliminating the tax, he wants he statutory initiative as a backup, which requires only about 350,000 signatures. Other Republicans have vowed to challenge the increase in court. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 845 Registered: 1-2003 |
John..CA DMV chargs the buyer (and establishes the rate that does decrease each year) the general sales tax that the buyer pays in the county he or she lives in. | ||
| John Haller (Jh355)
New member Username: Jh355 Post Number: 8 Registered: 6-2003 |
Does Cal tax on assessed value or flat fee? What is the rate? Two states to the North, we were faced with the same fate until the voters passed legislation to limit tab fees to $30.00 which have now creped up to the $150.00 range. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 844 Registered: 1-2003 |
Get this..You buy a TR for $75K, The DMV tax now is about $5800. In October, it will be about $17.5K. I get so damn burned up when I see what California spends in illegal immigration alone. Now we need to jack up the DMV fees because the state is broke. If this state was not the pansy liberal breadbasket it has been, we would not have half of our problems. I hope to God that every dealer in this state marches on Red Davis' office because the only dealers that will be selling any cars will be Kia. As long as this country rewards those who come here illegally, commit crimes and suck off of every government program, we are doomed. | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
Member Username: Entelechy Post Number: 308 Registered: 5-2001 |
Faisal - thanks for the advice, I may just look into it. I didn't think I was supposed to get this upset about government and politics until I was in my 70's :-) | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
Junior Member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 67 Registered: 4-2003 |
Yeah, I was thrilled too to hear the news of the hike. This state is on the verge of collapse. Absolute economic implosion. Not trying to be doom and gloom here, but you know its true! We are taxed and feed up the butt, the part that bugs me to no end, is if anyone actually listened to the governer's debates, and if you actually listened to Greyout Dufass speak, the writting was on the wall. Fill me in on Nevada workarounds.....I think I'm gonna need that. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 271 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ben, it's one of the reasons I have trade plates as well. Rgds, Faisal. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 471 Registered: 6-2002 |
Faisal & Art- I'm considering something along the lines of Dealer certification, and/or out-of-state. (also makes Euro, etc automobiles an option!) Plus, those 4 hours each time I go to DMV are time I will never have again... Art- good luck selling that 360, you might be 'stuck' with it for quite some time ;) ;) ;) Best! Ben. | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 268 Registered: 3-2003 |
Chris, 1. Rent a PO Box and only give out this address to businesses. Forward the mail to your current address yourself. If you do this in Nevada, you can also use it to register your vehicles there. 2. Government bureaucracies are always inefficient and frustrating to deal with. In the future, you could try to find out which days DMV is least busy, and go to some sleepy rich town location. You might still have problems, but the drive there and back should clear your head. I don't mean to trivialize your problems, but there are some steps you can take to mitigate them. DMV is not going to change its policies or incompetent personnel for you. You can be angry and frustrated about this, or learn to work the system to your advantage. | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
Member Username: Entelechy Post Number: 305 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just recently registered an out-of-state vehicle I purchased and the experience was absolutely infuriating. It took over three hours WITH an appointment and no one there seemed to have a clue what they were doing. They told me I needed a separate appt. for them to inspect the car which I scheduled right after an appt. to get the paperwork in order. They kept me waiting for an hour between appts., then when I asked if they were ready at the proper time, they told me I didn't need any appt., just drive around back and the inspector would meet me!! I drive around back, and NO signage, no lot, no nothing. I park next door and ask a private lot attendant. Turns out they have one space there w/a small sign on the wrong side of the fence. Argh. So I park there, and guess what? No inspector in sight. So I have to go back around the block, wait to ask a rep what the hell's going on, etc. They finally get a rep out there and this security guard for them starts leaning all over my car with his grubby hands. Says how nice it is, then goes over and helps himself into the driver's seat setting off my alarm with me standing right there! I asked him what the hell he was doing and he said they just needed to know what year it was!!! How about asking me? Are YOU doing the inspection!? There was plenty more, but I left there absolutely disgusted with our system. Everyone there is completely apathetic because the system is run SO poorly, that EVERYONE is upset when they finally get to talk to someone. There were a dozen people sitting around me talking about how angry they were and no one does anything about it - just caught in the victim syndrome. I spent the hours I had to wait trying to come up with a better system and have some thoughts; it wouldn't be faultless, but it would be MUCH better than what we have now (although that's not a stretch!). This happened the same week that my insurance was cancelled on both my cars. I was on a film on location for the last eight months, and when I called my insurance to give them my new address, they told me it was in the system and all set (of course you have to take their word for it, there's no confirmation). While I'm involved with moving back to LA, and simultaneously starting another film here, it occurs to me once everything settles down that I hadn't rec'd a bill from them in awhile. So I call and find out that they never got the new address and were sending everything to an prod. office that was shut down. So they cancel both my policies and I've been driving for a month without insurance on either vehicle!! They say I need to pay $600 to reinstate. I start to give them my credit card and they tell me they don't accept cc's and I have to go to one of their branches and pay in person! AAA doesn't accept credit cards!?! So because someone in their company didn't do his job, I get my insurance cancelled and have to take my lunch hour to go look up a branch, drive there and wait in line forever because all but ONE of their agents are "out to lunch" - well when do you think people who work full-time have time to go to AAA??? On their lunch break! I am getting so fed-up with this kind of b.s. and it just seems to be getting worse. Now, thanks to poor management, they want to stick us with the bill by jacking up our DMV fees? •••• them!!! | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 186 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well you have your chance... the recall is going to the polls- do your part! | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1264 Registered: 11-2001 |
California is apaprently the the 7th largest economy on planet Earth. Too bad it's being run like a third-world country. I love CA to death - I'd move to Northern San Diego county in a heartbeat - ridiculous state management and all - if it didn't involve a divorce. But c'mon! Doody. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1925 Registered: 6-2001 |
I'm starting a wholesale car dealership, and my 360 will be the first demo/car for sale. While I'm marketing it, I won't pay sales tax, or license fees. I will have to make an honest effort to sell it, and maybe move another car or two. | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Member Username: Peters Post Number: 824 Registered: 1-2003 |
Starting October 1, 2003, the DMV fees in California will go to 3X what they are now! This is nuts. This state is totaly out of control and there is no end in sight. Our welfare system is a 'free lunch' that has devisted local coffers, our southern borders go unchecked and millions of us here are paying devistatingly high utility bills due to being raped by whores that took advantage of our governor's weak negotiation skills. One would think that a state of such great economic potential should not be in such shambles...Its really sad! |