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"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member
Username: The_don
Post Number: 5446
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
Thanks |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 160
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
DOn.. you know I will always converse with you... even if I don't agree I enjoy the topics. |
Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 289
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
Don,
you can say what you like. It's dictating what others say and demanding that they be banned and beating some point to death that were "bullying."
However, in light of some horrendously insensitive statements made on here recently, they were nothing!
Sorry I made you feel singled out. Peace.
Best,
Faisal. |
philip (Fanatic1)
Member
Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 305
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:53 pm: | |
I totally agree, parents are so lazy now, it's just easier to let the kids run amuck.....there are probably a lot of things that led up to this kid getting drunk and driving....alot of things the parents could have / should have avoided. However, 16 isn't really a "child". I mean, I know he's not an "adult" but to say that he has no control over his own actions, that his parents should have stopped him....that's kind of a cop out too. He was old enough to know better, and old enough to understand the law, he was breaking it and it's consequences.........when I was 16 there were a lot of times my friends would drink, I was always the designated driver.....not to much pressure from my parents, just we all knew not to drive drunk....Everyone knows that....Especially today, kids grow up quick and are afforded every imaginable form of sensory input.......the parents lack of supervision could have led up to this, but at 16 he certainly is capable of making an informed and conscious decision.....it's really a shame, but let's face it, he got a 4 year sentence, at his age it will probably be at a "boys home" not PRISON, and maybe it will really do some good.......at least he won't be drinking until he's 21! |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member
Username: The_don
Post Number: 5443
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:52 pm: | |
How come....
I can't say what I feel without being labeled a "bully" and you all can say what you want and it's "your opinion" and "free speech"? |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 158
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
Philip.. Man oh man.. You are preaching to the Choir on that point. I catch more hell here for saying that what you do is up to you alone. But in this case I have to say that a 16 year old is a child.. not an adult. A kid that kills is not the same as an adult that kills. Since he is a child it's the responiblity of the parents to watch over and control his actions. If a paret looks the other way and lets a child stay out late.. or drink in their home then they are cocking the gun. Just like the high school shooters... why would any parent allow their child to have access to firearms? What is relaly missing today is the old value... an adult answers for his own acts.. and I live by that rule. But A child needs to answer to and be taught by his parents. What kept me from doing stupid things as a teen was the fear of going home and dealing with my parents. Heck.. I did not even drink till I was in college. The thought of dealing with Dad if I came home drunk kept me in line. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3932
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:34 pm: | |
glad we can find middle ground |
philip (Fanatic1)
Member
Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 303
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:33 pm: | |
Well, I do want to clarify, I do think that kid was guilty of manslaughter and should be put in prison...unfortunately you're probably right, prison will do more harm than good....but that's another thread. Yeah, the parents are kind of to blame, but he's old enough to know better.....He was drunk and he killed someone...that IS manslaughter.....It's illegal to drink at 16...whether you agree with the law or not you have to follow it.....I agree that the parents should have taught him better, but at this age, it's no ones fault but his own. The excuse of kids will be kids doesn't cut it......He killed someone because he broke the law by drinking, then he broke it again by driving......he needs prison time...............sorry..........About the accident in Germany....these were two grown men, doing an inherently dangerous sport and unfortunately the were killed. No one was ever at risk besides themselves.....You can't compare that to a drunk person driving down a public road and smashing into innocent bystanders....that's criminal, not our two friends were doing. Again, I certainly beleive in personal freedoms, but not at the expense of other peoples safety. And you can't blame parents, gov't or society, there comes a time when the only person responsible for someones actions is that same person...Personal responsibility has to improve.....it's just like the guy sueing McDonalds, because he's fat. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3930
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:29 pm: | |
you can post what you want and I can post my feelings about it, your right it has nothing to do with this thread but you included to make some stupid point about drugs or whatever - all searchs on the site looking for posts about the accident will now pick this one up |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 157
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:27 pm: | |
From that angle Tom.. I agree. I am only pointing out what seems likely. Thanks for pointing out another view |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 156
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:26 pm: | |
And Tom.. I feel for the families but this is a thread that has no connection to the "accident" and I see no reason why the topic should be off limits. When Lauda had his tragic Shunt they posted pics from his hospital bed. When Lady di crashed I saw nothing but shot after shot of a destroyed Merc. It seems that you would prefer to try to justify what happened as an act of god and ignore any other possible options. Thats a mindset that works for friends.. but does not answer any questions or prevent it from happening again. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3929
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:20 pm: | |
Your conclusions may be proven true but you do not yet have the infomation to make these conclusions - the only things we know is they were on a public road and had the required saftey systems to be on that road, there are a million possibilties as to what could have happened and to start drawing firm conclusions this early is, imho, reckless and disrepectful |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 155
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:14 pm: | |
Tom.. we know from posts that the car had no fire systen onboard. No hemets, no Nomex suits. There was no EMS support or track corner workers. In this country that would be criminal. Try going to even an SCCA event with a car that is not prepared for the track. They will let you watch but not run. Since it was a single car "accident" we can only draw the conclusion that it was either driver failure or a failure of one of the cars systems. In either event my comments are accurate. If the driver erred it was a tragedy but still driver error. If a system of the car failed and he was at speeds he could not react fast enough to the problem it also comes under the heading of misjudgement. I have had a few shunts in my life and know that you can get in over your head with a good car. |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2090
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:08 pm: | |
TOM.........AMEN........... |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 154
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:06 pm: | |
Phillip.. well said. I agree with your comments about what happened after the accident. But the accident would not have happened if the adults had not allowed access to alcohol in a private home.Was the driver slime for trying to shift blame? Yes. Was he guilty of manslaughter? I don't beleive so. Give a child the chance to do anything that seems cool and they will take it.. be it drink... or drugs or driving fast. It's up to the parents to control their behavior. Should the kid be put in Prison for what he did after the accident? I don't think so. The other kid was dead and not coming back. To save himself he tried to take advantage of the situation. Is he morally shot? For sure... but thats not criminal. One thing we can know for sure... After 4 years in Prison he will come out a total criminal.
I agree with you completely about putting others at risk. I would never drive impared and ,even though I have racing experience, I never drive in an excessive manner on the street. I know that on the track I can expect certain rules to be followed.. on the street it's a madhouse. |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 3927
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 12:04 pm: | |
"Also why is there no comment as to the loss of the two men in germany? The driver got in over his head on a dangerous part of the track in a car that was not track prepared and the results are evident. "
That is about a reckless a post as I have ever seen, were you there to witness it? all you know is bits and pieces from various items posted on various websites, totally disrespectful to family members who may be visiting this site to find out what the community is about. IF and when an offical accident report is made availabe, then you can comment, as others will too, but to imply any recklessness at this point is totally out of line |
philip (Fanatic1)
Member
Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 302
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:44 am: | |
I have to chime in here......Mr. Wolfe, I can see your point ....vaugley....I do agree that people should be able to "do what they want"....and certainly make their own choices....but only if they are adults, and not endangering other people....For instance, the program you saw last night had the 16 year olds drinking....that's against the law...Personally if they were all drinking in a private home, I don't have too much of a problem with it....but when they took it outside, then put everyone else in danger...it's no longer their choice, thier life...it's now infringed upon my life, and my families and friends.....also, if you remember that story, the boy driving was drunk, then wrecked, his friends body was thrown from the car, and the driver manipulated the dead body, and attempted to tell the cops that the dead boy was the one actually driving........that's criminal....no two ways about it....I personally believe pot should be legal....I don't condone it, I don't smoke it, BUT I do believe that if Mr. Wolfe wants to smoke it, in his house, he should be allowed to......just don't get in a car afterward, because then you're not just endangering you, now you're endangering me, and my kids. People need to make their own choices and their own mistakes...not everyone will agree on what the choices should be.....that's fine, but don't put other peoples lives at risk because of your decisions............that's my point |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2089
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:25 am: | |
WILLIAM..DONT WASTE YOUR BREATHE..
BTW, JOHN WE ALL KNOW NOW THAT MR WOLFE IS ON VIAGRA TOO..... |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1301
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:16 am: | |
Well, i just found one thing that Jeff and i totally agree on: that Hillary is a liberal piece of crap. |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 149
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 11:01 am: | |
AS a side note to all the bleeding hearts here... What message are we sending with the thread about a Flat 12 running over redline at speeds in excess of 150 on public roads? I don't see you mentioning that. They even have some very cool pics in the thread so it is not a joke.
Also why is there no comment as to the loss of the two men in germany? The driver got in over his head on a dangerous part of the track in a car that was not track prepared and the results are evident. The event had no EMS or track support staff. As was pointed out not even any basic safety gear was required. Is this a good message to send to the kids? At least all of my posts have endorsed that NO driver should be allowed to drive a high performance machine without being able to prove ability. This basic concept could have made a big difference last week. But then again it would keep fools from owning their four wheeled Viagra. |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 148
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:50 am: | |
John... I am glad that you actually got the point..."anybody should be able to do anything."
No one here has the right to judge others.You want to Shoot,snort,drink or smoke thats YOUR choice in life and I support it. I watched a show last night where a 16 year old kid was out with 3 friends and they were all drunk. ON the way ome there was an accident and one of the kids was killed. The driver was brought up for manslaugher. WHAT A JOKE. Now some kid will spend 4 years in PRISON for drinking. Where were the F**king parents? what about the house where the party was? petty little pious Liberal fools will say... "oh the poor family that lost a child" I say they got what they deserved. What was a 16 year old doing out drinking? it was not at a bar. It was in a private home. Blame the adults not the kids. Same here.... if you are worried that some 16 year old will read posts that make it okay to drink or try X or drive fast then you need to get a clue. No one here should have to worry about your family but you. That liberal piece of crap Hillary was dead wrong it DOES not take a village to raise a child. |
Vincent (Vincent348)
Member
Username: Vincent348
Post Number: 683
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:44 am: | |
DrS,
That makes sense. If the topic sections are respected I don't see any problems.
Vincent. |
John A (Jarends)
Member
Username: Jarends
Post Number: 257
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:35 am: | |
Oh Sh*t, this discussion makes me so mad, I had to put my joint down to post my opinion. (Just hold on while I remove this needle from my arm (third try no mainline)). OK< OK< now I feel that (wait a minute, honey hand me my Vodka it fell when I took that last curve, and don't preach to me about speed, 110 isn't that fast), anybody should be able to do anything.
OK, how's that (oh sh*t now the pills fell off the dash, just throw them in the vodka, I'll take them all at once)
OK Todd top that!!!! |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2087
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 23, 2003 - 7:13 am: | |
REMEMBER JEFFREY..DONT DRINK AND DRIVE , OR IS THAT A POSITIVE THING ALSO IN YOUR CODE OF ETHICS
I DONT THINK RICK NOR MYSELF NEED YOU TO TOAST US..WE SEEM TO BE FINE MATURE, EDUCATED GENTLEMAN, AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED, CALL YOUR DOCTOR AND GET SOME HELP....... |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 145
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:56 pm: | |
Rick.. I am going to ignore your bashing and address this as directly as possible. This is not a community or a society. We are not here to promote any one set of values. This is not the "Boy Scouts". We are not here to send the message that you have to live a certain way to achieve Ferrari ownership. If you would like I can post several pics of Rappers, Rock Stars, Actors and Athletes in their Ferrari's. Many of them with drug or alcohol backgrounds. I just watched a video ( Mischief 3000) that showed more than 50 Ferrari and Porsche owners driving at speeds in excess of 150 mph on the highway in the middle of traffic. Some even passing on the sholder. These were not young fools. They were successful, wealthy businessmen that were out blowing off steam by driving across the US stopping each night to party before the next days high speed run. Do I approve of this behavior? not really... too risky on the street. Would I ••••• about it... NEVER.
You and Bruce seem to think that we need to be responsible for how we present ourselves and our values to the kids here.. Not my problem. That is a job for their parents. They know more then you give them credit for. Save your family values for YOUR family. I have no turmoil other then letting pious fools get at me. I will raise a glass to you and Bruce next weekend while I am drinking and conversing with other exotic owners at our local bar.
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Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member
Username: Drstranglove
Post Number: 556
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:19 pm: | |
To 86 the OT Forum would turn F-Chat into a sterile, technical journal. It would make it rather like JAMA, interesting to practitioners of the art, but not very fun.
I came to F-Chat for the Tech stuff and the help. I stayed for the fun.
I can not help much with "How to change my oil." or "Which colour code is correct?" But I can lend my insight and experience to other "OT" subjects. To deny the OT would be to deny every other aspect of our lives. DO this, nuke the OT, and you will only see people here when they have a problem with their car.
And that would be sad....
DrS |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 144
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 9:18 pm: | |
Wm ... yes I agree. I was taking your statement in the wrong context. |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1297
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 9:09 pm: | |
Jeff: I would be happy to debate the merits of substance use and abuse. I guess my real point is why its on this board. Yeah, the OT section (which you did acknowledge is where this belongs, if at all) might be the place for it, since there is no theme to that section. As to the relevance of your lifestyle to Ferrari ownership, i think that does come out in everybody's posts, in different degrees, whether we admit it or not. But, you do seem to think that most of this is ego stroking or a large waste of time; perhaps, but hopefully we learn something. As to foisting my views, yes, i guess that's necessarily a part of expressing oneself. But, i usually try to confine myself to something having to do with Ferrari, at least on the main board. I guess you're free to post what you want on OT. But, the fact that you are free to do so doesn't make it right, or appropriate. (And, just so you don't mistake me, i am not condemning your choices, only the notion that you convince others that they are harmless.No use of any substance is harmless in my view, but that's where we can disagree. As to whether you'd know the difference, its like asking someone who likes to get drunk what they think about being sober; their views will be somewhat skewed, don't you think?)
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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2001
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 9:03 pm: | |
Moved to "Off Topic." |
Rick (Srt10)
New member
Username: Srt10
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 8:43 pm: | |
Jeffrey is one of these selfish people in life that never had the balls to experience the misery and joys of parenthood. It is incidental to him that young, impressionable people frequent this site, so he uses his communications skills to promote/advocate an immoral and despicable lifestyle. Like myself, he has been here for less than a month, yet he continues to chastise people of longstanding with his convoluted philosophies on life.
As Bruce W. has indicated, he rarely writes anything that doesn�t denigrate some person, group, or idea - even his wife - that he indicts as an illegal drug user. Nothing is sacred to Jeffrey Wolfe, not his limited family, not his friends, nor even recently deceased members of this board. He averages over 4 posts a day trying to define an identity that ends up looking like an abstract painting: somewhat interesting, yet full of contradiction and turmoil. If there is any goodness or decency in this person, I have yet to see it.
Jeffrey, instead of acting like an unadulterated windbag, constantly spewing your nonsense, why not just sit back and listen for awhile......you might just learn something.
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Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2086
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 8:16 pm: | |
GOOD NIGHT
MR WOLFE |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 142
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 8:08 pm: | |
Bruce... Not sure what to say. As I posted to WM. I welcome all points of view and take them as insight. I would rather spend time reading posts that challenge my opinions or tell me more about other owners instead of ones that waste bandwidth with EGO petting and False sentiments. Other than my little war with JRV and DON ( which we both agreeed to disagree and discovered we both like Buffet) I have not bashed anyone here.As for "looking you up" I am sure you would bore me as much as I would bore you. On the other hand, if you meant for me to look you up for some other reason allI can say is anytime pal. |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2084
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 7:34 pm: | |
IM NOT BENT OVER YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE..JUST YOUR POSTS ARE ASS-HOLE LIKE AND I SCRATCH MY HEAD AS TO HOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXISTS...
I DONT GIVE A HOOTS ASS WHO AGREES WITH ME OR WHO DOESNT, INCLUDING YOURSELF, I KNOW WHO MY FRIENDS ARE..
GET AN EDUCATION AND LOOK ME UP SOME TIME..... |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 139
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
Bruce.. grow up. You seem fixated on my posts. Even after many agreed with my questions about the "accident" you seem bent. This thread also has nothing to do with you. It was a question to another poster that might expand how well we all know each other. Its a simple question. What do you think this site should be? Just chat about the cars and what great things the members got to do last weekend? You called the lost members "brothers" but what do you really know about them? What music did they like? what movies or books? Spending time talking about self glorifing crap is not the same as sharing. As I said.. if all I wanted to do was hear about how great some nit wit's 360 was I would hang out at a Garage. |
Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bws88tr
Post Number: 2083
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 7:13 pm: | |
JEFFREY
YOUR A TROUBLE-MAKER..EVERYONE OF YOUR COMMENTS OR POSTS IS NEGATIVE OR IS A LASHING OUT AT SOMEONE..
PLEASE TRY AND MATURE A LITTLE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS HERE ON F-CHAT....
SAY A LITTLE PRAYER FOR JENS AND AMIR |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 137
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 7:06 pm: | |
"Again, what you do is your own business; telling others that its good, or makes your life better, or is entertaining, is misleading. How would you know the difference? " How would I know the difference? Easily.. I have not spoken for anyone but myself. I find it very interesting that you think it acceptible to foist your views openly but feel you have the right to censor others that have a different viewpoint. I am not here for your approval. If you disagree with me thats fine.. I welcome your point of view. |
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 5:26 pm: | |
I have seen very little good come from the use of drugs or alcohol. I would never deprive you of your need to escape, or to adjust your mood, or to relax, but advocating any use of substances is irresponsible. Again, what you do is your own business; telling others that its good, or makes your life better, or is entertaining, is misleading. How would you know the difference? |
martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mw575
Post Number: 1034
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 5:12 pm: | |
Off-off topic |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 136
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 4:28 pm: | |
Russ.. I am very certain that everyone here has a "take" on foreign policy and also things that range from Hillary's lousy book to what type of food is the best. If all I wanted to do was talk about my Ferrari I would hang out in a garage. It would seem that many here agree.. there seems to be a lot of posts on many topics other than just the cars.
IF you only want to discuss the glories of ownership that should take about 30 mins. As for it being "off topic" That I agree with. |
Russ F (Russf)
Junior Member
Username: Russf
Post Number: 145
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:47 pm: | |
Then lets abandon the concept of "off topic" and indulge the conceit that just because we own or are interested in Ferraris that anything that we have to say about anything is important and of interest. Like the Hollywood stars perhaps we could also have our own foreign policy. I joined because I am interested in what people have to say about Ferraris. Now you know something about this individuals "take on life." |
A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member
Username: Senna1994
Post Number: 115
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 1:44 pm: | |
Amen Brother. I couldn't agree with you more. Its nice to see different individuals with different takes on life enjoying the same passion for Ferrari. Who cares if they toke here and there. |
Jeffrey Wolfe (86mondial32)
Junior Member
Username: 86mondial32
Post Number: 132
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 1:29 pm: | |
After reading you post about the various issues addressed here and your disgust with certain topics I can only add this: I was happy to see the posts about such things as drugs. Even when a post was anti drug it was polite and in the form of a discussion. After reading that and a few other things here I feel like I know these people better.. and like them better. IF I wanted to listen to crap about soneone's trip to Modena or how they golf with the head of FNA I would join a country club. Perhaps seeing the other side of Ferrari owners is a good thing... find out what we all have in common and what we don't. There is an area for tech talk.. but thank god we also can talk about other things.. like drinking and music and what we all do for entertainment.
When I had purchased my very first Ferrari ( a 308 gts) we were out driving and saw a 328 at a stoplight. The driver was prob late 30's and looked like Tommy Chong. He had a sweet looking woman with him and about 3 days beard growth. We all smiled and waved and pulled over to talk a sec. He was a true surfer duderight down to the "Bitchin Dude" kinda talk. wearing flip flops and shorts I was totally happy to see that his car was in perfect shape. Finding out that their are Ferrari owners that still know how to party made me feel right at ease. Much different than many of the Jerk offs we have met at the shows and the dealerships. |