| Author | Message | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1257 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ben, for more info go to Mike Sheehan's site also (which is where I noticed it about a year ago): http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/75033/75033101a.html --Dan | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 790 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dan- With Wayne's permission, that would be exceedingly gentlemenly of you! [email protected] Let's tear it up one fine day soon in matching Tipo 33 Stradales! I must now thank (or curse ;) F-chat as a whole, and Omar in particuliar. This is the first I have seen or heard of this work of automotive art. Truely a wealth of fine taste on this board! Thank you! No, wait, curse you! Best! Ben. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1244 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ben, If you like, I can forward to you some more info that Wayne sent me last year when I expressed undying love for this car. I'm sure he won't mind as it contains nothing secret. --Dan | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 789 Registered: 6-2002 |
HOLEY FRIGGIN HELL, I'M IN LOVE! Seriously, guys, I'm smitten. I WILL own and drive one one day. Damn expensive tastes! (and you temptresses!  Best! Ben. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3013 Registered: 12-2000 |
Excellent Boudewijn!!! Thanks! The only real nice photos I have of the car are in B&W and in poor resolution, which are contained in Alfred Cosentino's "Abarth Owners Int'l" book, #006-90. These that you have posted are perfect (especially the interior shot)... | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 134 Registered: 5-2003 |
Some additional pics of the rare Abarth.    | ||
| French Touch (Tof70)
New member Username: Tof70 Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2003 |
The photograph of the Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 of the Museum Rosso Bianco is not ego but it is this site: http://auta5p.car.cz/muzea/rosso_bianco_2000/muzeum.htm http://auta5p.car.cz/muzea/rosso_bianco_2000/muzeum2.htm I did not go yet to visit this superb museum... but I hope well to return to me there. Official web site : http://www.rosso-bianco.de | ||
| French Touch (Tof70)
New member Username: Tof70 Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2003 |
>If French doesn't mind I will give you the pic of the Boano. With the jet lag, I could not undoubtedly give the pic... forthcoming once! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3006 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thanks Boudewijn! | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2003 |
If French doesn't mind I will give you the pic of the Boano Abarth.  | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3005 Registered: 12-2000 |
"French Touch", would you happen to have digital photos of the Abarth 209A Boano Coupe that's at that collection as well? If you do, would you mind sending me copies? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3004 Registered: 12-2000 |
If anyone is interested (and has deep pockets), theres one for sale here: http://www.mroks.com/inventory.htm/ (The above link goes straight to the inventory page of Marcel Roks Consultants, exotic car dealership in Belgium) | ||
| French Touch (Tof70)
New member Username: Tof70 Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2003 |
I know that there are of it one which are with the museum Rosso Bianco of Peter Kaus in Germany and which another to the Italian industrialist Giuseppe Lucchini belongs, creator and owner of Scuderia Italia; but I am unaware of their chassis number.  ALFA ROMEO TIPO 33 STRADALE IN ROSSO BIANCO COLLECTION IN GERMANY | ||
| N'din (Abangdin)
New member Username: Abangdin Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2003 |
Fabulous!! Wow what a car. Thanks Boudewijn Berkhoff. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 809 Registered: 9-2002 |
WOW! Thanks guys for the info! | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anatomy of the 33.3.      | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 836 Registered: 11-2002 |
Here is a better picture of a T33/2:  This one I think is a flat 12 one ... thus near the end of the series, and the championship winning type:  This is a T33/3:  Pete | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 835 Registered: 11-2002 |
T33/2: My favourite :     The later open cars were faster but I love these sportscar coupes. Pete | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 833 Registered: 11-2002 |
Omar, Overview September 1964 saw the experimental department of Alfa Romeo start work on a new sportscar, intended for the Sports Prototypes category. Initially known as the 105.33 the first car, powered by a TZ2 engine, was ready late in 1965 and was sent to Autodelta who continued the development. The resulting car was officially presented on 6th March 1967 at Balocco, known as the Tipo 33/2. It was a considerably developed version of the original car, the biggest change being the new 2-litre quad-cam V8 engine. This was positioned behind the cockpit and drove the rear wheels through an Alfa Romeo built six-speed straight cut gearbox which extended behind the axle line. The structure comprised two side (diameter 200mm, thickness 2.5mm) and one transverse rear cylindrical member, from aluminium (rivetted then rubberised internally), which also served as fuel tanks (see picture at bottom of page). At the front there was a magnesium bulkead which supported the front suspension, whilst two chassis legs from the same material extended at the rear of the structure to support the rear suspension. The suspension itself comprised independent wishbones with coil spring / damper units, whilst braking was provided by four ventilated discs, the rear ones which were mounted inboard next to the transmission. Curiously the handbrake used a separate single disc at the rear of the transmission. The engine had a 90� angle between the banks, each of which had two chain driven camshafts. Hemispherical combustion chambers had two valves per cylinder, the exhaust ones using sodium cooling. Fuel injection was into the inlet manifold and by Lucas whilst the ignition system used two distributors and four coils to provide sparks to the two spark plugs per cylinder. A dry sump lubrication system was fitted. With the compression ratio of 11:1 this engine produced 270bhp @ 9,600rpm. The car debuted a few days after its presentation, at a hillclimb in Belgium which it won. Slightly less success was obtained at both the Sebring 12 hours and the Targa Florio. At both events the cars showed themselves to be fast, but failed to finish either and reliability problems continued for the rest of that season. For 1968 the car was significantly modified, both for more performance and reliability. It was easily distinguishable by the twin vertically staggered faired in headlights, the air intakes for the radiators ahead of the rear wheels and the lack of the very characteristic periscope air inlet of the 1967 car. The engine was also modified with a lower rev limit to aid reliability. They debuted at Daytona in February 1968 and came 5th, 6th and 7th, afterwards they were known as the Daytona 33. For the Targa Florio of that year the car was given a 2.5-litre engine with 315bhp as well as having a front-mounted oil radiator. They finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th. Mugello saw the 33 gain its first win, whilst at Le Mans they managed 4th, 5th and 6th. At the end of the season Alfa Romeo finished third in the manufacturers championship. The 1969 car underwent even more changes. Known as the 33/3 to reflect its new 3-litre V8 engine, it also replaced the tubular chassis with a titanium reinforced boxed sheet steel frame. Composite panels were used for the open bodywork, whilst the lights and rear mounted air intakes remained similar to the previous car. The engine was a new unit, derived from a F1 project and used one spark plug and four valves per cylinder to help it generate 400bhp @ 9,000rpm. Sebring in 1969 proved a disaster for the new cars, and the Targa Florio was competed, unsuccessfully, with 33/2 cars. Alfa Romeo did not race at Le Mans after Bianchi tragically died in a crash in practice and the rest of the year proved to be similarly unspectacular despite a couple of good results in smaller races. Less modifications were carried out for 1970, with outboard rear brakes and a nose mounted water radiator the main changes. The results, however, improved with a few podium finishes, leaving Alfa Romeo again third in the championship. The engine power went up to 420bhp for the 1971 season, and coupled to a new five speed gearbox and a significant reduction in weight, rendered the cars considerably more competitive, despite the external appearance remaining essentially the same. Wins were taken at Brands Hatch, the Targa Florio and Watkins Glen as well as numerous other podium finishes, and Alfa Romeo this time took second place in the championship. A new tubular chassis (Telaio Tubolare) was developed for 1972, the resulting 33TT3 actually being tested in some events in 1971. The gearbox was moved ahead of the differential to improve the balance of the car, whilst the air intakes ahead of the rear wheels gradually moved onto the top surface of the car, which as a result became more slab sided. With 440bhp @ 9,800rpm and a weight of only 650kg they were very competitive, but the new Ferrari 312P�s proved unbeatable, Alfa Romeo again taking the runners up position in the championship. More radical changes were needed for 1973 and the result was the 33TT12 with a new 12 cylinder boxer engine. Displacing 3-litres, with four valves per cylinder, gear driven twin camshafts on each bank, one plug per cylinder and a compression ratio of 11:1 they produced 500bhp @ 11,000rpm. Externally the sides were completely flat, the body was open and a large wing was fitted at the rear. The first season for this car proved more a period of development and in 1974 they did noticeably better, finishing second in the championship after several podium finishes including a win at Monza. For 1975 the same car was used, the most noticeable difference being the large amount of sponsorship present. The results were also rather different, Alfa Romeo taking the Manufacturers Championship after years of trying. They were only beaten in one of the championship races of that year. The following year saw the 33TT12s rarely making an appearance, as Autodelta concentrated on other areas. Yet another development, the 33SC12, emerged for the 1977 season, the SC referring the the boxed (SCatolato) chassis. With 520bhp @ 12,000rpm they won all eight of the championship races and thus the title. Towards the end of the season a twin turbocharged version also appeared, with a 2.1-litre engine which produced 640bhp @ 11,000rpm. That was the last year of competition for the 33 cars. See our Concept cars page for some 33 based cars. You can also find pictures of these cars on our Alfa Romeo museum page. The exhibition at the London Science Museum also featured this model. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Details Engine 33/2 : 1995cc (78x50.4mm) quad cam 90� V8 with 2 valves per cylinder and 270bhp @ 9,600rpm 33/3 33TT3 : 2998cc (86x64.4mm) quad cam 90� V8 with 4 valves per cylinder and 400bhp @ 9,000rpm, later 440bhp@ 9,800rpm 33TT12 : 2995cc (77x53.6mm) quad cam flat 12 with 4 valves per cylinder and 500bhp @ 11,000rpm 33SC12 : 2993cc (77x53.6mm) quad cam flat 12 with 4 valves per cylinder and 520bhp @ 12,000rpm 33SC12 turbo : 2134cc (77x38.2mm) quad cam turbocharged flat 12 with 4 valves per cylinder and 640bhp @ 11,000rpm Suspension front : double wishbone with coil springs and telescopic dampers rear : double wishbone with coil springs and telescopic dampers, later 5 link setup wheelbase : 33/2 = 2250mm ; 33/3 = 2240mm ; 33TT12 = 2340mm ; 33SC12 = 2500mm track (front/rear) : 33/2 = 1336mm/1445mm ; 33/3 = 1500mm/1380mm 33TT12 = 1430mm/1470mm ; 33SC12 = 1490mm/1470mm Brakes front : discs rear : discs Gearbox 6 speed manual plus limited slip differential, 5 speed on 12 cylinder cars Kerb weight 33/2 = 580kg ; 33/3 = 700kg (650kg from 1971) ; 33TT12 = 670kg ; 33SC12 = 720kg (turbo 770kg) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Production figures 33/2 coup�s : 30 33/2 spiders : 20 33TT12 : 6 33SC12 : 6 33SC12 turbo : 2 Please refer to http://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/index.html for the source of this information. Pete | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 804 Registered: 9-2002 |
Can you tell us more??? I am eager to know... And what do the non-Stradale versions look like? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2963 Registered: 12-2000 |
Michael: "While it would grately pale in comparison to the original, a donor Alfa with a fiberglass 33 Stradale body seems like a pretty cool little creature." It would be even nicer (and truer to the original), if one could install a Montreal V-8 into the replica... Yummy... | ||
| Michael Zaic (Mikez_nj)
New member Username: Mikez_nj Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2002 |
Beautiful car. It's funny that this thread should appear though... In this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/364/280715.html?1058382351 I was tossing around the purchase of an Alfa Spider. I did, and I actually took it to Peter D'Amico in Vineland, who was mentioned in the thread. Peter is a great guy, and very enthusiastic about Alfas. Besides working on the cars, he recently decided to design fiberglass reproductions of bodies. He has molded a Duetto Spider, and has created fiberglass Duetto bodies from the mold. It's 1000 pounds lighter, and can be used with the mechanics of any modern Alfa. After telling me about the Duetto, he told me that he was thinking about molding a 33 Stradale body. He showed me pictures of the car (which I had never seen before), and I fell in love with it. While it would grately pale in comparison to the original, a donor Alfa with a fiberglass 33 Stradale body seems like a pretty cool little creature. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2957 Registered: 12-2000 |
I posted this in the "Ten most manly Italian cars" thread, earlier in this topic section: Alfa Tipo 33 Stradale production list (from Auto Italia magazine, issue #40, Dec. '99): #---S/N:--------Location 1---75033101---Alfa Romeo Museum 2---75033101---First "Production" car 3---75033102---France 4---75033103---Partial fiberglass car, USA 5---75033104---? 6---75033105---? 7---75033106---Japan 8---75033107---Experimental magnesium car, ? 9---75033108---Pinninfarina "Cuneo", Alfa museum 10--75033109---Bertone "Carabo", Alfa museum 11--75033110---? 12--75033111---Japan 13--75033112---Alfa Museum 14--75033113---Australia (renumbered to 75033133) 15--75033114---? 16--75033115---Pinninfarina "Coupe 33", Alfa museum 17--75033116---Ital Design "Iguana", Alfa museum 18--75033117---Bertone "Navajo", Alfa museum Keep your eyes open for #'s 5,6,11 and 15. They may be hidden in a barn somewhere... | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 811 Registered: 11-2002 |
Race history would have been buy the non-Stradale versions, and yes they had a good race history, etc. Would love to won a T33 coupe, just awesome!!! Pete | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2192 Registered: 10-2002 |
Very, Very, beautiful... | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 105 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have another nice pic.  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1802 Registered: 11-2002 |
Easily one of the most beautiful cars ever made. It's really a fantstic car. Quite a lot of road presence. Cheers | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2185 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar, Mike Sheehan had one for sale a while back. He provides a few details and some awesome pics here on his Web site: http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/75033/75033101a.html | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 768 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hi Chris, nice to see you here, hows the 328 running? Give my best regards to Megan. | ||
| Christopher John (Ecsplosive)
New member Username: Ecsplosive Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2003 |
there were 18 made... 4 in a museum... prototype ran for 2 mil but you can purchase one for a mere $750 K  "swine of any sort" | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 767 Registered: 9-2002 |
I would love more info, history, specs, and just for the hell of it, pricing on it... thanks for the help! They are very nice looking cars. Any race history? etc... |