| Author | Message | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 618 Registered: 12-2002 |
There is a good article on the Bisiluro in "Classic & Sportscar" July 1999, page 136.  | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2638 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Jack, That's the Nardi "Bisiluro" (the "twin-boom" or "twin-torpedo") that was unsuccessfully campaigned by Mario Damonte and Roger Corvetto at Le Mans in 1955. The car was running in 59th place out of 59 surviving cars when it was literally blown off the road by the slipstream of a passing Jaguar. The wild but highly-unstable design was done at the request of Damonte and inspired by the twin-boom Tarf record breaking car. It has the driver sitting in one "torpedo," the transmission and 750cc Giannini engine located in the other and in the middle is the radiator and a hole where a passenger could technically be placed. The car has been in the Leonardo Da Vinci Museum of Science and Technology in Milan for many years and participated in the Goodwood Festival of Speed in 1999. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1113 Registered: 4-2003 |
Here's another one that I couldn't find much on (at least not online)...  It's a Nardi 750cc but that is all I have been able to find out about it. Anybody? Jack | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 460 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'll say - try as I might, couldn't scrape up the info via 'net. I'm always impressed with and appreciative of the knowledge passed forward - 'tis what it's all about. If you're like me and translated the pages to English using Google Language Tools, one thing that's interesting is the reasoning for the taillights being extruded - to clear the shock towers. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3142 Registered: 12-2000 |
Good detective work Wayne... | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 617 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hey, no fair if the mystery car isn't Italian! Thanks for following up and providing a clear answer. That was fun. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2636 Registered: 8-2002 |
More info and pics of the Leblond BMW: http://www.motorlegend.com/dossiers/retrospective/bagatelle2002/bagatelle27.php | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 208 Registered: 5-2003 |
By the way Jeff, 405 was indeed a Fiat 8V Berlinetta Vignale driven by Toselli/Cavallo. I missed Waynes part showing the same car, so my pic is superfluous. That way I also missed the point. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2635 Registered: 8-2002 |
Boudewijn, you're misunderstanding. Jeff's post was referring to the photo that I posted (exactly the same as yours) earlier as a challenge to anyone to identify the car. The car in your previous photo is the Leblond BMW as explained below. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2634 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mystery solved: The car in Boudewijn's photo is the 1955 Albert Leblond "Speciale," a one-of-a-kind car powered by a BMW 327 2-liter 6 cylinder engine. The car also borrows its front suspension from a Peugeot 403 and its rear suspension and brakes from a Bugatti Type 57SC. Boudewijn's photo was taken at the Louis Vuitton Classic in 2002. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 207 Registered: 5-2003 |
Of the 4500 V12 only two were produced, S/N 4501 and 4502, both porduced as a monoposto in 1951. The first one was sold to Franco Rol.It was later fitted with a Frua Spider body with central driving position. The second, #5402, is V12 4500 received its Zagato body in 1953 and was driven by Biondetti in the Supercortemaggiore 1953. Below is a pic of that car. In 1954 it was transformed into a Spider and rests in a museum in Lyon, France. So I wonder how we can hold on to the suggestion this would be the car?  | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 615 Registered: 12-2002 |
Wayne: There is one other partial picture of the OSCA in the Zagato book, I'll see if I can find any others. Apparently it didn't last long with this body. de Boer's book says it is chassis #45G02, and is currently (?) in the Musee du Rochetaillee in Lyon. One of the reasons I thought Boudewijn's top car might be a Siata 208 is this funky picture from the 1955 Mille Miglia, apparently a Fiat 8V. The emblem in the color picture looks like a Siata to me, hard to tell. Fun mystery!  | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2633 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jeff, that's correct! Do you have any other photos of this car? An interesting thing is that it was originally a Formula 1 monoposto: http://www.0-100.it/osca/f1/english.htm That still leaves Boudewijn's mystery car unidentified. Anyone? | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 206 Registered: 5-2003 |
Guys, thanks for the impressive research with smashing result. Nice group to work with. | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 614 Registered: 12-2002 |
It's the 1953 OSCA-Biondetti 4500 v-12 by Zagato! | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3134 Registered: 12-2000 |
Wayne, definitely Zagato-bodied looking very similar to this, a 1948 Alfa Romeo 2500B: http://www.zagato.it/arczag23.jpg They don't have a picture of it, but my guess is its a 1949 Maserati 1500 Z Panoramica... http://www.zagato.it/histo.htm | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 427 Registered: 6-2003 |
My mistake. | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 426 Registered: 6-2003 |
Check out the pictures of the yellow Enzo it looks like the same surroundings as the top picture. You were right about the 40th anniversary event. http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/events-stories/stories/enzo-ferrari/enzo-ferrari-by-serial-number/ | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2628 Registered: 8-2002 |
Arlie, that's very interesting! Funny thing is that I was just reading about the Nardi cars the other day. Tyson, in September, 2002 Chateau de Gilly was used as the kick-off site for the GTO 40th anniversary event. There were two types of roundels issued to the participating cars (one round, and one somewhat rectangular) and the one on this mystery car appears to be neither. Also, this does not appear to be Chateau de Gilly at all. There are pics of this event here: http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/events-stories/events/2002/250-gto-40th-anniversary-meet/250-gto-40th-anniversary-meet-gallery/ ...and Keith Bluemel's story here: http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/events-stories/events/2002/250-gto-40th-anniversary-meet/250-gto-40th-anniversary-meet-story/ | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1509 Registered: 5-2002 |
That's an easy one Wayne. It's the Cadillac Alfa-Cheetah. Speaking of weird cars, did you see this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6472&item=2434989753 | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 424 Registered: 6-2003 |
I believe the top picture was taken at Chateau de Gilly at Ferrari racing days 9-8-02 | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2624 Registered: 8-2002 |
I still don't have an answer on that first mystery car but, during my search, I came across a beautiful automobile with an interesting history that I had never seen before. I'll leave it up here for anyone who would like to take a stab at identifying this beauty. And, yes, I erased the badge from the nose of the car to make it more challenging.  | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3128 Registered: 12-2000 |
Boudewijn, would you happen to remember when and where that top photo was taken? The "mystery" car has a number "rondelle" on the fender, which would make it pretty likely it was some road-rally event (and a good reason why a GTO would be there as well). This would help in identifying... | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3127 Registered: 12-2000 |
Jeff, I suspected OSCA because of the badge... But wasn't sure. I too searched for a LONG time through OSCA sites and came up with nothing to confirm. Thanks for copying that book. Let me know how much you want for it and the shipping... | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 422 Registered: 7-2003 |
Given the front fenderline/vent, it looks like it was touched by Stabilimenti Farina, or one of many designers/builders who passed through S.F.. For fender reference, See the 4 S.F.-constructed Jowett Jupiter-7's: http://www.jowettjupiter.co.uk/farina.htm | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 612 Registered: 12-2002 |
Boudewijn: New guess - the top car is possibly a Siata 208S? Thanks for posting the mystery pictures, I have a lot of fun with them! | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 609 Registered: 12-2002 |
I meant the red and black color scheme, not red and white. Top picture subject still unidentified. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6680 Registered: 8-2002 |
SWEET...! There's actually something about a 250GTO in the new issue of Sports Car International... i was flipping through it in the grovery story last night... There was some good stuff in there about the Murcielago, the Veyron, the Ferrari market and so forth... Anyone pick this issue up...? | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 608 Registered: 12-2002 |
Peter: I spent HOURS this weekend trying to figure out the identity of that car, because I enjoy that kind of thing. I had pretty much decided it must be an OSCA, but I couldn't find a picture to match. The red and white color scheme is reminiscent of Moretti, but again no match. Who can answer? By the way, I made two copies of the booklet last weekend, but haven't mailed it yet. Soon. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 3123 Registered: 12-2000 |
In the first pic, the badge on the nose of the car, looks to me like it features a dark blue ring with a white centre... Plus, the narrow, small dia wheels, lack of any brightwork and the proportion of the small-ish body size to the occupants in the car... Probably an OSCA MT4 with unknown-source coachwork. Just my guess. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 198 Registered: 5-2003 |
Jeff, you are right. It is a Bandini. This a comparable car.  | ||
| Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member Username: Miltonian Post Number: 607 Registered: 12-2002 |
I would guess that the barchetta in the second picture is a Bandini - yes/no? The first one is a toughie. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2581 Registered: 8-2002 |
DES, yes it is. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6658 Registered: 8-2002 |
The car in the back, in the top picture... Is that what i think it is...? | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2580 Registered: 8-2002 |
No problem. Do you have any idea at which events the other two cars were photographed? The barchetta is possibly a Stanguellini of some sort from the mid to late 1950s, but I have no idea on the other one. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 189 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thanks Wayne. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2579 Registered: 8-2002 |
Boudewijn, The Talbot at the bottom of this page was photographed at the 2003 Rodeo Drive Concours and is one of four barchettas built in 1957 using 2500cc BMW V-8 powerplants. The car above that is a late 1950s Arnolt Bristol coupe. | ||
| Boudewijn Berkhoff (Boudewijn)
Junior Member Username: Boudewijn Post Number: 188 Registered: 5-2003 |
I have some pics of cars where I wonder what they are. Who could shine some light in this matter. Of course the last should be a Talbot Lago, but I have no idea what sort of.     |