| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2317 Registered: 12-2000 |
Oh, just rubbing it in that I'm behind you! Well, there's no more experience advantage as I've shared all my racing secrets. Or have I? ;) | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 834 Registered: 7-2001 |
Damn, I'm screwed. Rob is only .5 point behind me! | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2001 |
Pictures and accounts are now up at http://www.strahan.org/FCA/round1.html Sorry about the delay, but my ISP and Worldcom tangled and that knocked me offline for a while. See you at the next race! | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 226 Registered: 7-2002 |
Well I can get the fast lap times, but the head to head slows me down since it is nearly impossible to pass. I was thinking about how we "bump" pretty hard which is fine with me, but what if we were in open wheel grand prix cars? There would be tires and wheels laying all over the place! It is easy to be aggressive when you have a protective rail around the car! My knees are sore from gripping the car or getting T-boned by Rob and pushed in the wall by Mark TWICE! | ||
| K. Wesley DeLoach (Wesleyd)
New member Username: Wesleyd Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2002 |
No pains here either. Saving the grand prix start to last was a good move I think. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 803 Registered: 7-2001 |
Rob, I don't think we want to know about the bed sore on your hip bone. Dons 355 was gorgeous. I agree Rob, it was nice to get out of the 328 club. Now if Wes would just buy his 348tb, Jim S would get his TR, Tillman would get his..... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2269 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm not sore today either, except a bed sore on my hip bone. However, I always get that racing karts, autocross, or whatever. Tillman, I guess you got a bad kart that last race. I'll come in next time that happens, if it's really really bad. I can't wait until the next one. I think Don and Frank might come back too. Don use to fly F-16's and A-10's in the AF. He now flys an Air Bus for NW, Frank is still in the AF. We had a nice variety of Ferraris there too, it wasn't the usual Dallas 328 club only. I just love all Ferraris, they're all beautiful. Greg's TR and Don's 355 or just awesome. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 799 Registered: 7-2001 |
For the 2 events so far, total points look like this... Rob 73 Jim S 61.5 Jim E 57 Wes 47.5 Chris 39.5 Tillman 28 Thats the points from everyone that has attended both events, for what it's worth. I for some reason am not sore today. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2001 |
These numbers certified by Andersen Accounting  Jim S. takes the lead Standings: Jim S. 31.5 Jim E. 31 Rob 31 Ken 23.5 Wes 21.5 Chris 21 Don 15 Tillman 13 Greg 11.5 Mark 8 Francis 5 | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2267 Registered: 12-2000 |
I think my total should be 31 points. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 798 Registered: 7-2001 |
I was already out of the garage before I remembered to leave my mark. Damn. Oh well, I left my mark at the corner coming in, just did it with brakes, not gas. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ok, guys, here's the points. Full writeup to follow when I get the pictures developed: Heat 1 Jim S. 10 Rob 8.5 Tillman 7.5 Jim E. 6.5 Greg 5.5 Chris 4.5 Don 3.5 Wes 2.5 Ken 2 Mark 1.5 Francis 1 Heat 2 Wes 10 Jim S. 8.5 Jim E. 7.5 Ken 6.5 Chris 5.5 Don 4.5 Tillman 3.5 Rob 2.5 Greg 2 Mark 1.5 Francis 1 Final Rob 20 Jim E. 17 Ken 15 Jim S. 13 Chris 11 Wes 9 Don 7 Mark 5 Greg 4 Francis 3 Tillman 2 Standings: Rob 36 Jim S. 31.5 Jim E. 31 Ken 23.5 Wes 21.5 Chris 21 Don 15 Tillman 13 Greg 11.5 Mark 8 Francis 5 Points tip: If your car is junk in the final, go to the pits and switch it out Next race is November 12. | ||
| K. Wesley DeLoach (Wesleyd)
New member Username: Wesleyd Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2002 |
Had a great time. There is a difference in the cars, but also the traffic one encounters makes a difference. I have my best laps when I have something happen that makes me fall behind, like spinning out trying to avoid putting Jim in the wall. (Though if I had known then that Jim went to Hooters at lunch without inviting me I would have slammed him hard.) | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2266 Registered: 12-2000 |
It was another great time. Thanks for organizing it Tillman and thanks everyone else for showing up. No excuses, but there's a big variance in performance of the karts. I think Jim S. is the fastest one out there right now with Jim E. and Wes right on his tail. Tillman did really well tonight too. Here's the garage and in the tradition of Jim, I left my mark in the garage, but only Chris and Don were there to witness. I'll video tape it next time and post it.  | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 184 Registered: 12-2001 |
Tillman wins the prize for the best recovery after getting up on 2 wheels against the barrier | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 797 Registered: 7-2001 |
You obviously worked through your shakes, Mr First Place. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2265 Registered: 12-2000 |
30 minutes and counting, leaving in 15. I've got the shakes... my right hand for the beer and my right foot for the gas. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 795 Registered: 7-2001 |
I think Rob really needs a beer. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2258 Registered: 12-2000 |
1 hour and counting... | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2001 |
Rob is either really bored at work today or really excited about getting beat tonight | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2257 Registered: 12-2000 |
1.25 hours and counting. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 792 Registered: 7-2001 |
Look for Wes, he said he'd probably be there early too. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2256 Registered: 12-2000 |
2.5 hours and counting... | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 791 Registered: 7-2001 |
Damn, I hate it when parties start without me! I can't be there until 7. But I did go to Hooters for lunch! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2246 Registered: 12-2000 |
3.5 hours and counting... | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'll come early to check out his TR and chat before Rob's competitiveness kicks in. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2236 Registered: 12-2000 |
LOL - Hey, for the partiers, Greg Scott and I will be there by 5:40pm having a few beers. I've been practicing the past day for this event. Let's see... I ran the lawnmower into a tree, going to the bathroom last night I bumped into 2 walls and stepped on the cat, I squeezed Jennie out of the bathroom mirror so I could comb my hair, and I watched a demolition derby on TV. ;) | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 211 Registered: 7-2002 |
7 tonight right? Wife is not coming as she has some mandatory class for school. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 786 Registered: 7-2001 |
It's a good thing you don't discriminate Rob, your BMW might be considered German! | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 182 Registered: 12-2001 |
ouch | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2234 Registered: 12-2000 |
The garage parking is open, of course, we don't discriminate against POS German cars. ;) | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 181 Registered: 12-2001 |
Do I get the pleasure of parking my non-Ferrari in the garage? Sign me up for a ride in Greg's TR. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 782 Registered: 7-2001 |
Tell Greg to be prepared to take some people on some joy rides! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2228 Registered: 12-2000 |
not me? ;) Greg Scott will be there in his TR. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 653 Registered: 3-2001 |
Schlitz, I just found out late this afternoon that I have to be in Houston tomorrow so I'm out of hear on a 9:30 flight in the morning. You know, this working for a living stuff stinks. Oh well, next time I hope. Rob, I don't want to read about any more of that T-boning when I return Wednesday afternoon... no neck brace stories! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2223 Registered: 12-2000 |
I might be there early as 5:45. I heard the bar might be open. ;0 | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 773 Registered: 7-2001 |
I got my confict ironed out. I'm not sure how I'm going to explain to my wife that I got a sitter and I'm going racing when she's out of town. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2001 |
Bump! 1 day to go, let's have some fun! | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 173 Registered: 12-2001 |
Count me in...... | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 200 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'm in. My wife is coming, but not racing. She will keep my beer cold in the pits! | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 646 Registered: 3-2001 |
As of this moment, things look good... I should be there. Jim, hope you can make it. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2155 Registered: 12-2000 |
Now you guys and gals be easy on me. ;) | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 761 Registered: 7-2001 |
Good, Wes is better. Now we can hurt him again. | ||
| Chris Pounds (Eggman)
New member Username: Eggman Post Number: 42 Registered: 3-2002 |
Count me in. | ||
| K. Wesley DeLoach (Wesleyd)
New member Username: Wesleyd Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2002 |
I plan to be there, even though I just recovered from the last one about a week ago. Wes | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 760 Registered: 7-2001 |
I have a potential conflict, but am working to resolve it. I'll be there if I can. Bob, you joining us? | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2001 |
Bump 1 week to go. Who's planning on going? Me Rob Jim E Chris? Wes? Anyone else? | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2001 |
Yes, we're still on. See http://www.strahan.org/FCA/ for details, and let's go racing on the 24th! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2118 Registered: 12-2000 |
yep... www.fcadfw.com | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 748 Registered: 7-2001 |
Are we still on for the 24th? Thats only 10 days away. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 2002 Registered: 12-2000 |
Maybe make the distribution a little more even with a tiny bonus for winning and 2 point spread for 2nd thru 7th. 1st--20 2nd--17 3rd--15 4th--13 5th--11 6th--9 7th--7 8th--5 9th--4 10th--3 11th--2 12th--1 What do you think? | ||
| Chris Pounds (Eggman)
New member Username: Eggman Post Number: 39 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well, since it really is more of a timed event, I would suggest a staggered start. Points values also looks a bit better with Tillman's revised schema, and should keep the lower-runners still in the game (ie. keeps the "I might as well give up 'cuz there's no way in hell to make a go of this now" factor down). On a side note, I had so much fun that I'm organizing a company-wide event at work. Much like the Tillman before me, I had a tour, lunch and free laps with another departmental head at the center. If all goes well, I will have (a) the corporate office where I work; (b) a local hundred+ local branch and (c) another local hundred+ branch competing. I am looking for at least 10 from each office. At the end of the season, the best 3~5 of each unit will square off against each other in a championship run. I will model the points system like Tillman's revised system. :-) So far, so good. See ya'll soon, Chris. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 589 Registered: 3-2001 |
Looks pretty good Tillman but I think you need to cook it up so second place gets a few more points. Here's a suggestion, how about one additional bonus point for every 12 ounces? :-) So what do you guys think.... Grand Prix start or staggered start? Would a staggered start spread things out more and reduce the number of collisions that people (not me) have been concerned with? Also, all the scores are based on the individual's best lap time in each heat, not the overall race, right? So passing doesn't seem to be the important thing here.... opening the track up and racing against the clock is how you win this thing. Or am I confused here? | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ok, I modified the points system. As far as I can tell, this should work fine -- it gives points down to 12th, encourages participation in all three events while not requiring participation, and still keeps emphasis on the final race of the night. Basically, I took the F1 points, started it over again at 7th place and added ten to the top 6 points. So, scoring in a main event is as follows: 1st--20 2nd--16 3rd--14 4th--13 5th--12 6th--11 7th--10 8th--6 9th--4 10th--3 11th--2 12th--1 Heat races are scored at half-credit, so they look like this: 1st--10 2nd--8 3rd--7 4th--6.5 5th--6 6th--5.5 7th--5 8th--3 9th--2 10th--1.5 11th--1 12th--.5 The final points standing will use the 6 best scores of the season. If you make all three events, then you can use 3 main events and 3 qualifiers. If you only make 2, you'll have 2 main events and 4 qualifiers. Obviously, those who make all three will have an advantage. Based on this scoring system, here's the results from round 0: 1st heat Rob 10 Bob 8 Jim S 7 Jim E 6.5 Wes 6 Chris 5.5 Linda 5 Alex 3 Tillman 2 Tamara 1.5 Jennie 1 N/A .5 2nd heat Jim S 10 Wes 8 Rob 7 Bob 6.5 Linda 6 Jim E 5.5 Alex 5 Tillman 3 Chris 2 Jennie 1.5 N/A 1 N/A .5 Final Rob 20 Bob 16 Jim E 14 Jim S 13 Wes 12 Chris 11 Tillman 10 Alex 6 Jennie 4 N/A 3 N/A 2 N/A 1 Totals Rob 37 Bob 30.5 Jim S 30 Jim E 26 Wes 26 Chris 18.5 Tillman 15 Alex 14 Linda 11 Jennie 6.5 Tamara 1.5 I'll update the web site shortly. Unless there's a serious objection, we'll use this and tweak it if necessary for next year. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1980 Registered: 12-2000 |
Great, I have it on my calendar. Want me to send info to FCA DFW members with all dates or just the first? Also, how are we going to score this? Half-Half-Full, then only keep best 6 race scores? Also, you might consider points that go deeper in the places to keep everyone involved. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ok, I have set up the Sept 24th date with TBC. The remainder of the schedule is the following: Round 1 -- Sept 24, 2002 Round 2 -- Nov 12, 2002 Round 3 -- Dec 10, 2002 (Moved due to previous committments at TBC) Let's play! Also, we'll try to work out something outside of the points races on a weekend, so that the Houston/Austin/OK/etc. guys can meet up with us | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1974 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yes, those look good, the first date is Indy week, so that's fun. For the next two you might bring R2 to early November so you can move the R3 December date back. I think the 17th is too close to the holidays. I'm available any Tuesday this Fall except that October 1st date. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 679 Registered: 7-2001 |
Those all look good for me, but who know's what will get in the way between now and then? | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2001 |
So this then? I know everyone can't make them all, and I'm concerned about the Dec date being so close to the holidays, but it's a good rough swing. Round 1 -- Sept 24, 2002 Round 2 -- Nov 12, 2002 Round 3 -- Dec 17, 2002 (Dec 10, maybe?) I can't make any day but Tuesday, due to class schedules (10 hours this sememster -- bleah) | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2002 |
Any date is open to me at this point. I travel for work, but don't know schedule til usually a week or 2 prior. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1973 Registered: 12-2000 |
The last two are good for me, but I just realized I can't do the October 1st date. I can do the Tuesday before or after or even that Thursday. Of course it's not a requirement I'm there, maybe preferable. ;) Anyway, if it's easy to change the first date, I would appreciate it. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2001 |
I want us to be OK with the schedule before I call TBC. How about this? Round 1 -- Oct 1, 2002 Round 2 -- Nov 12, 2002 Round 3 -- Dec 17, 2002 I'll call them tomorrow (23rd) so everyone holler yay or nay. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1971 Registered: 12-2000 |
Tillman, let's go ahead and set the dates with TBC for the rest of the year. I'll send it out to the 80+ local FCA members and hopefully after they see the pics, stories, and realize we have a 3 race series, there might be more motivation to come out. Maybe have 2nd race early November and 3rd mid December. Tuesday work good for me. I won't be able to do Monday or Wednesday's this semester. I start my manual trans class next week. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 673 Registered: 7-2001 |
I like having Rob at the back of the pack, it slows him down a little and he STILL gets the best times. | ||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Junior Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'm in. I agree no Grand Prix starts on first 2 races. Final race should be top placers starting Grand Prix or at least at the front of the pack. | ||
| K. Wesley DeLoach (Wesleyd)
New member Username: Wesleyd Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2002 |
I hope to make it again. I really enjoyed it, and will probably do it again with a friend in a couple of weekends. (Gran Turismo 3 just does not provide the same kind of excitement.) | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1969 Registered: 12-2000 |
Sounds great. Let me know when the date is final. If that's round 1, we'll maybe have 3 total rounds for the 2002 series? I guess we can count best 2 of 3 towards the 2002 championship. Like I mentioned in the other email, I think we should keep things simple as not to confuse TBC too much. I think random seeding for first two and then last race grand prix by best average place? Sounds like they really don't rank by actual place, so do we really need to do Grand Prix starts except that it's fun. I like your points distribution too with half points for first two races. Maybe we should double points so that we can extend lower points more places. I think virtually everyone that comes out should get some points. Whatcha think? | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 671 Registered: 7-2001 |
I'm in too, unless something else comes up! | ||
| Chris Pounds (Eggman)
New member Username: Eggman Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well, I know it's early but.....I'm in! I had a blast. It was great seeing everyone again, and meeting a few new friends. Thanks for putting this together, Tillman. Chris. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2001 |
The last one was a blast, so let's start the series! Next round, Tuesday Oct 1, 2002 (tentative) at 7:00 PM. Who's in? |