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Chris Pounds (Eggman)
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 6:54 pm:   

Hey, All -

I posted about a dozen or so pictures from the event on my web site. It's Geocities, so if there is alot of traffic, it will be temporarily blocked. I suggest hitting the web site randomly.

Here's the link:
http://members.tripod.com/chrispounds/ferrari_dyno_day.htm

Hope you like the pictures!

Chris.
Sean Ruckel (Sruckel)
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 3:04 pm:   

Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to the dyno, but I was able to meet up at Sonic afterwards. Here's a pic from before Jerry arrived... Rumor has it the Ferrari's won some trophies at the Mopar club event and went out for a night of celebration. :-)
Sonic
Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:57 am:   

Just wanted to make sure you saw my thanks-

To the Dallas group that was at Norwood,

I just wanted to take this time to thank all of you for a day I will never forget! Everyone, was very friendly and very willing to answer any questions I had and let me tell you, it helped me out a lot. A special thanks to Mr. Norwood letting us be apart of the dyno day and a huge thank you to Bob and Jim for giving me a ride of a lifetime in your 328�s. I can tell you right now, some of my dreams came true that day and I will never be able to thank you enough for being so gracious! Rene�, the gentlemen who was with me also sends special thanks to everyone for being so welcoming. I walked away learning about another level of Ferrari. First, about the true essence of what it is like to own one of these magnificent cars old or new, about the passion and appreciation of Italy�s greatest cars from a renown creator that had a vision of acceptance, winning, and success which he more than achieved. Next, to be affiliated with the owners, who I think were one of the greatest bunch of guys I have ever met. Lastly, to be apart of that magnificent history we call Forza Ferrari.


My deepest thanks,
Marcus
Brian Hare (99silvermissile)
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:12 am:   

The cobra was running a 302 supercharged with 8PSI of boost. Had cams, head work, and headers.

Take care,

WildBill | 99 SilverMissile
http://ntexdsmracer.com/
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1468
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 11:19 pm:   

Wow, 457. That's 544 HP at the flywheel! Holy cow. What size engine is it, same as the other?

There's a great article in the current Grass Roots Motorsports about the Factory Five Spec Racer. They're starting one as a project and will document it in their magazine.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:36 pm:   

Rob, Thanks for organizing the event. It was a really good time. I'll try and get you the exact numbers from our cars, but as I recall:
MM 348 244
MM Cobra 302
DM S/C Cobra 457! (I think his last run may have been 467) Pretty crazy in 2250 #'s.

Look forward to your next event. Mark McKenzie
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1465
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 9:06 pm:   

yes, 16% is the number Bob Norwood recomends.
Randy (Schatten)
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Post Number: 279
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 6:39 pm:   

it can be Bob. a lot of HP is dissipated in the drive train. but being mostly rear engines and a very short drivetrain, the #'s would be on the low end of the projected %'s that you mentioned.
BobD (Bobd)
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Post Number: 381
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 5:55 pm:   

All those numbers are HP at the the wheels.... add 16-20% for the actual engine HP... at the flywheels.

At least I believe that's correct? Right?
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1462
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:27 am:   

I'm going to get all the runs on disk here in a few weeks. In the meantime people can just post their results here. If I remember right...

- Jerry Hawley's 1981 308 GTSi 175 hp?
- Arthur's 308 GTB w/QV engine 192 hp?
- Bob Detrich's 1989 328 GTS 210 hp?
- Jim Ewing's 328 GTS 216.3 hp.
- Rob Lay's 1986 328 GTS 210.8 hp (stock air filter), 228.4 (new K&N air filter).
- Mark McKenzie's 348 250 hp?
- Rob Lay's 1993 BMW 325is (Exhaust and K&N) 169.5 hp.
- Mark McKenzie's Cobra 310 hp?
- Mr. McKenzie's Supercharged Cobra 400 hp?

I know some of those are off, but I'll get the charts and accurate hp and torque figures when I can.

Thanks everyone for coming. It was a great time. We'll do it again in a year or two.
Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 9:53 am:   

Looks like you guys had fun. Sorry I missed it, but my exam study schedule is keeping me in the library most of the day.

Tillman...great audio files.

See you all at the next event.
Chris Pounds (Eggman)
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 11:47 pm:   

I have to chime in with my 2 bits. Great meeting everyone! Great community. I sincerely had a wonderful time. I hope to see you all again soon.

By the way, I will be posting several pictures on my web site soon for all to enjoy.

Regards,
Chris.
Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Post Number: 372
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 11:41 pm:   

Damn Tillman, those WAV's are great! It figures, I went to film my cars run just as the battery ran out on my camera!
BobD (Bobd)
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Post Number: 379
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 10:34 pm:   

Rob, Jerry, Jim, Mark and everyone who attended... what a blast! This event was great! Jim, great pics... Tillman, your .wav files are fantastic!

GREAT TIME! That was fun.
Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 6:24 pm:   

Thanks again to Rob for organizing this, and to everyone else for being great people. I finally got to ride in a Ferrari!

I did some quick-and-dirty audio recording of the Fcar dyno runs. The wav files are posted at http://www.pinball.nu/ferrari/

Sorry I didn't get the Cobras, but I'm not sure the recorder would have held up :-)

Brian Hare (99silvermissile)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 6:11 pm:   

Hey all, Great to meet you. I drove the silver eclipse. What a great group of guys, and what a lot of cars! I have some great video of the dyno-runs, and once I get them encoded for the internet, I will post the URLS for viewing.

Take care,

Brian "99Silver-Missile" Hare
http://www.ntexdsmracer.com/
Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Post Number: 370
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 5:19 pm:   

The results are in, K&N air filters make a difference.

Rob, BobD and My cars..
front
The Norwood parking lot..
lot
My car on the Dyno..
dyno

My results, 216.1 HP on the first run, 216.3 on the second. Rob will have more info on the rest of the cars. Damn, that Cobra was loud!
BobD (Bobd)
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Post Number: 378
Registered: 3-2001
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 9:12 pm:   

Rob, I'll be there for the early session as well... assuming we have no tornadoes.
:-0
:-)
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1460
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Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 5:10 pm:   

There are just two sessions tomorrow.

10:30 to 12:30 and
1:30 to 3:30

I'll be there about 10:00.

The '01 911 Porsche guy had an emergency come up out of town, so won't be there, but we have 3 328's, 1 308, 1 348, and 2 Cobra's. There might be a few stragglers show up tomorrow, James put the word out to some of his customers.

If anyone is interested, there is a muscle car show at the Sonic on Midway just NW of Addison airport starting about 4pm. They're a bunch of fun and would freak out if a couple Ferraris showed up. Last time I went, I got beat in the 80's class by a Grand National, but they put my photo on the front web page. Every loved it, just didn't want to admit it or vote for it.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 80
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 2:52 pm:   

Rob, I just reserved the last spot in the 1:30 group for the 2nd Cobra, so we'll see you tomorrow with 3 cars. Thanks Mark McKenzie
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1453
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 1:33 pm:   

Mark,

Yes, there's room in the 1:30pm group.

There's enough room for two dozen semis, so we should be ok.
Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Post Number: 355
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 1:31 pm:   

Mark, the parking lot at Norwood shouldn't be problem for a trailer, its in a center with other businesses that should be empty on a Saturday. Unless your trailer belongs on the back of a Semi, you should be fine.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 12:51 pm:   

Rob, It looks like I'll be able to bring the other Cobra also. Is there still an "open" spot in the 1:30 group?

I'll know for sure about trailering it up tomorrow. Do you happen to know how much space Norwoods has for trailers?

The weather looks fairly threatening.

Thanks Mark McKenzie
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1452
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:36 am:   

10:30am.

I only had one person sign up for 8:30am, so I'm trying to find him to see if he'll delay until 10:30. There will be two groups... 10:30am and 1:30pm.
Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
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Post Number: 42
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:24 am:   

What time should I be there Rob?
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1446
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 9:32 pm:   

No problem, you might pass the word to friends that would be interested in putting their car on the dyno though. They would have to register before Saturday here at the "Online Store" though.
Tony Ward (Tony_w)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 7:15 pm:   

Hey everyone, I'm new to this board. I have just recently heard about this event and I was curious if I could just come as a spectator. To hear a Ferrari at full throttle is just awesome. Your forum looks really cool. See you around.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1437
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:40 pm:   

I announced to about 5 different clubs, so either their presidents didn't forward the message on or no one was interested. There are currently 5 Ferraris, 1 Cobra, and 1 Porsche. I removed the 3:30-5:30 time spot. So there are 8 spots still available. I'll talk to James at Norwood today and they may have other customers that will come. More the better, I'm even thinking about doing my BMW.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:33 pm:   

Rob, have you had anymore additions? How full are you? There's still a chance I might bring another car, but we'll certainly be there with the two that you registered. Hopefully the weather will cooperate for my drive from Austin Friday night. See you Saturday. Mark McKenzie
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:34 am:   

The local Lotus, NSX, Porsche, BMW, and Viper clubs have been notified now, so if you have a car that you want to take part, I would recommend registering soon.

Thanks. It's looking to be an awesome event!
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1405
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Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 1:40 pm:   

yes, you can pay that to them directly as your car goes.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Friday, April 05, 2002 - 1:27 pm:   

Rob, I just bought 2 spots in the 1:30 group. I'm planning to bring the 348 and the supercharged Cobra. Can we pay the additional $35 for the fuel/air ratio monitor that day?

See you then. Thanks. Mark McKenzie
Randy (Schatten)
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Post Number: 261
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Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 2:49 pm:   

Rob, you should register and post here:
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

This is the North Texas S2000 Group and I'm sure they'd like to participate. Might want to indicate how many pulls and other items they'll get for a dyno run since 75 bucks seems a bit more expensive than what they (or I) are used to for a dyno run. Thanks.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1393
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Posted on Thursday, April 04, 2002 - 2:20 pm:   

Ok, we have 4 Ferraris signed up and paid now. I will be contacting all the different car clubs after this weekend to fill up the spots. I'm sure the spots will go quickly after that.

Let me know if any questions.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 8:16 pm:   

Next weekend I'll announce to other car clubs like Porsche, Lotus, and BMW in order to fill out the spots. Once I do that, I think it will fill up pretty quick, I'll also get a stand by list for those that have last minute change of plans. However, each person is responsible for finding thier replacement if they want their money back. Although I will help facilitate it.
Randy (Schatten)
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Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 12:50 pm:   

Mark, need a hand hauling those cars up to big D? =)
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 9:46 am:   

I'm taking the money to reserve spots now, but I will be flexible because there shouldn't be any trouble finding someone to take your spots if it ends up not working out. I'm only being rigid for Bob and James because I didn't want 40% of the people not showing up that day and them not getting their money. This way 40% don't have to show up, but at least Bob and James get their money. Having 20 cars go through is one reason it's so cheap.
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 4:45 pm:   

Yeah, my dad's is supercharged. It's even scarier than mine. I think he's over 400hp at the rear wheels. I'm now thinking of going to TWS Sunday only, so I can come to the dyno day on Saturday the 20th, actually I'd like to bring my 348, my Cobra and my dad's Blown Cobra, but will probably bring only the 348 and the Supercharged Cobra.

Rob, I'll try and decide quickly and reserve two or three spots.

Mark McKenzie
Randy (Schatten)
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Post Number: 247
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 2:32 pm:   

Rob - Mark's Dad has the same Factory Five, but with a whipplecharger from my understanding. Mark took me for a spin once in his cobra (not on the track) - its just too much fun!
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:08 pm:   

2158 W Northwest Hwy

Map
Chris Pounds (Eggman)
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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 9:39 pm:   

Can you post/link directions/map/website?

Thanks,
Chris.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1357
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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 2:15 pm:   

We're accepting all cars.

You both have Cobras? I saw yours at MSR, but I didn't know the other one was your dads?
Mark McKenzie (Redcar)
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 2:02 pm:   

Hey Rob, Are you trying to keep it primarily Ferrari's? I would love to bring my 348, but will be at TWS. Although my dad might like to bring his Cobra over.

Thanks Mark McKenzie
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1351
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:02 am:   

If anyone tried to purchase the dyno day and it wasn't working or it tried to charge you shipping, then please try again, I've fixed it.
BobD (Bobd)
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Post Number: 324
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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:46 am:   

Count me in for Dyno Day.

Bob
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1342
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Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 5:55 pm:   

Good question. I think it should if you know the stock flywheel hp. Then you can see how close it is to 75-80% of that at the rear wheels. Bob says that the hp/torque numbers don't tell much, but if you pay the extra $35 for air/fuel analysis too, then you can learn more.

Call James if you want to ask if they can do fwd cars.
Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 5:14 pm:   

Rob,
Can you tell me if there is any advantage to putting a car on the dyno other than to get a good HP v. torque curve? Can you get a good indication of how well the engine is running and if the engine is still strong or in need of major service? The reason that I ask is that I might be interested in putting my Grand Prix on the dyno if it will yeild some good info on engine health. I am not sure if I can do this on April 20th with the Ferraris since my car is front wheel drive and the dyno set-up might be hard to switch around from the RWD Ferraris. But, I have been looking to get a reading of my engines health and if I can do that with the Dyno at Norwoods I would like to go for it.

I still plan on coming out for Dyno day just to chat and watch even if I dont run my car (if that is ok).

Thanks.

Ken
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Post Number: 1340
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Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 4:14 pm:   

$75.

FerrariChat.com isn't making money off this, but I'm taking $75 for each car you want dynoed to reserve your spot. Both Bob and James are coming in for the entire Saturday just to let us dyno our cars.

You can reserve your spot by going to our FerrariChat.com Online Store and paying your $75.

Please let me know if any questions.

Thanks,
rob

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