| Author | Message | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 411 Registered: 7-2003 |
Matt - check out http://www.qv500.com/indexferrari.htm Note the 10, count 'em - 10 different configurations of the venerable 250. Price Guides and essays galore on this excellent resource. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6253 Registered: 5-2001 |
Wayne you are right. So are you Matt. I think the 250PF and the 250GTE are both grossly undervalued compared to some others. | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2003 |
seems like a great car to own. Unreasonably undervalued 50's hand produced rare ferrari? Damn now thats a good buy.... enzo himself prolly oversaw the line back then... | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2571 Registered: 8-2002 |
Martin, as a man with a personal obsession with Ferraris of the 1950s, let me shed some light on the situation. It all comes down to the PF coupe's elegant yet boring styling, not exactly what every Ferrari owner is looking for. When looking at the various 250 series coupes, you can see a pattern. In order of most valuable: 1. 250 Europa/Europa GT -- These are two VERY different cars with similar appearances and names. Still, they share a beautiful design that has "Ferrari" written all over it. (They're also rare, however.) 2. 250 GT Boano -- This car has lost a lot of the sexiness of the Europa cars and, while nearly as rare, it commands half the money. 3. 250 GT Ellena -- Take a Boano and make it look even less sporty by raising the roofline and guess what? The value drops even more. 4. 250 GT/L -- Now here's a fair fight if I ever saw one. This car has the same production numbers as the PF coupe, so there's no advantage due to scarcity. Why, then, does it command such big $ in comparison to the PF coupe? Just look at it! It looks like it's in motion when it's sitting still and the PF coupe looks like it's sitting still even when it's in motion. If 250 Europas could be had for under $100K, believe me, I'd be an owner. As it is, I could have bought a PF coupe a long time ago. Unfortunately, the styling is anything but sexy and, after all, that's part of what Ferraris are all about, no? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6216 Registered: 5-2001 |
Wayne, I don't want to argue with you.  You know vintage Ferrari much better than I do. Why are they so low? I mean the car is nice and certainly not a styling horror like the 330GT-series. Even the 400 Superamerica is ugly in my book. They made a 250Cabriolet that is very nice and trades in high $100Ks. Why is the coupe so depressed. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2565 Registered: 8-2002 |
IMO, a "good" PF coupe is worth around $65K-$70K. $80K will get you an EXCELLENT example and anything approaching $100K better be Pebble Beach material. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6202 Registered: 5-2001 |
na, a good PF Coupe is worth $80K-$100K. They are the non-liked Ferraris. I personally like them. | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2003 |
thats it! Arent the 250pf worth like over 1 million$??? That could be a steal of the century... | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6201 Registered: 5-2001 |
yep, that is the one. You can tell by the bumper in the rear that is missing a finish piece. Now today's condition: picture the car has not been washed since the day this photo was taken and ws stored outside in the sun and never waxed. Vacume Cleaner? What is that? ...you get the picture. The best part, the owner is laughing all the way to the bank. He bought it ceap and will sell it for the same price or more to the next guy. Drove the piss out of the car (including some track time) for free. You can't really blame him. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2561 Registered: 8-2002 |
lol | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
Junior Member Username: Sulley Post Number: 54 Registered: 9-2003 |
I was at the event, this looks like the car, except it is hard to tell. The one I saw had a smoke screen... Martin could tell for sure, but it looks like it. | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2557 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks, Martin. Is this the car? If so, it's s/n 2081GT.   There are plenty of photos of the car here:http://www.250pfcoupe.com/ ...and here:http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/2081/2081a.html I believe pics were also posted here on F-chat once when we were discussing Pf coupes with headrests a while back. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6180 Registered: 5-2001 |
Wayne, I was just told by a F-Chat lurker (please forgive me I forgot your name) that it was the last 250PF built. I can get you a picture in time. The owner is a Miami/Ft. Lauderdale native and drives the piss out of the car. His comment: "restoration is for the next owner". | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2549 Registered: 8-2002 |
Did anyone get a photo of it? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6155 Registered: 5-2001 |
Matt, it looked like a 250 to me but muy knowledge on vintage cars is VERY limited. I need to put that book here in the office that has all historic cars. I know the owner. He comes to some track events. He drives the piss out of the car. I love it! | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2003 |
does anybody know what the old blue ferrari was?? martin - im sure the 355 is awesome to drive. my color opinions are worthless! I just love the red ones without the wing. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6110 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well, silver is the German race color. Since I am German I figured silver is the way to go. The green is just my sick and twisted mind No offense taken Matt. | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2003 |
i prefer the challenge series in traditional red.. cause your flying the flag on the track | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6070 Registered: 5-2001 |
Who would be so fu*king insane and paint his car silver and green? That guy should be shot on sight! What was he smoking? | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1285 Registered: 10-2002 |
>> a really ugly 355 challenge with neon green accents against silver << Matt, maybe the heat REALLY got to you!! LOL... challenge or no challenge... IMO, all of these cars were made for racing and not for show! Let me add that the silver/green challenge car is not a slow car, either! | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2003 |
the show was very hot only 3 modern fcars 2 308's and a really ugly 355 challenge with neon green accents against silver( i guess its for racing not showing) 1 cool old 60's ragged on ferrari but i dont know what it was.. The lotus esprit swept the show with three trophys a 94 s4 red a 92 se yellow and a 99 V8 black It was too hot for me so i left early! | ||
| sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
Junior Member Username: 308qv_miami Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2003 |
You don't mean the" tentacle" thing do you? | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 781 Registered: 1-2003 |
Sindo, remind Ken of the initiation into the Squid Group! He may change his mind. | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2003 |
I would be more worried about the squids reputation being tarnished! Good to hang out and drink some beer with you guys. Hey Martin - did you get any pics of the 'welcoming'committee there?! | ||
| sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
Junior Member Username: 308qv_miami Post Number: 107 Registered: 5-2003 |
Yeah, Martin, Ken and I were there defending the Ferrari name. The Lotus group sure got real quiet when Martin arrived in the 355. Almost everyone stopped by the 355 and Ken's silver 308 and my black 308 for pictures.Theres just "something about Ferraris". Way too hot though, so we left a couple of hours early. I think Ken should be inducted into the squids. Well maybe we should ask him first, it may ruin his reputation,ha.ha.I'm sure Martin will post some pictures soon. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3057 Registered: 2-2001 |
Did anybody go th this show ? Photos ? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6068 Registered: 5-2001 |
That is close to Mario's restaurant, Big Apple where we meet every now and then. I will try Ken. I will try. | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2003 |
Take I-95 to Palmetto Park Rd exit. Head West to Military Trail. Turn left heading south on Military Trail to SW 18th St. Turn right heading West on SW 18th St. to the event. The Cheesecake factory is 5-10 minutes from the event on Glades Rd next to the Town Center Mall. | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2003 |
It is sponsored by the Florida Region of FCA. It is posted on their website under the 'What's new news'. It isn't posted under future events, which is where you might think it would be. It is for charity and they ask that you bring a canned good to the event too. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6054 Registered: 5-2001 |
Any idea how to get there? | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2003 |
Sorry didn't get back sooner, I've been out of town on business. Attached is the flyer with all the information regarding the show. They are going to have DJ's, winetasting, sounds like a good way to kill a few hours. Everything from vintage Ferrari's to an Enzo.  | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5984 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ken, more info!!!! | ||
| Debbie Pyle (Dilly)
Junior Member Username: Dilly Post Number: 160 Registered: 9-2001 |
I don't think that is an FCA Florida Region event as it is not listed in the most recent issue of the Redline or on the web site. The FCA is having a charity event coming up but it is in Naples. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3007 Registered: 2-2001 |
what time & where ? Maybe we can have a squid lunch at the Cheesecake factory | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5959 Registered: 5-2001 |
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| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2003 |
Rookie mistake Martin : ) | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2003 |
Ferrari Club of America. It is being sponsored by the Florida region. I didn't know if anyone else heard about it or was going? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5956 Registered: 5-2001 |
I believe that is the Ferrari Club of America? The short for that would be FCA Ken! Better FCA Florida Region. As far as coming, maybe! Guys? | ||
| sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
Junior Member Username: 308qv_miami Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2003 |
If I don't have to work, I'll be there. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 740 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ken, what is FCOA? | ||
| Ken Sullender (Sulley)
New member Username: Sulley Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2003 |
The Florida chapter of the FCOA is hosting a Vintage Auto Show 9/13 in Boca Raton. It's for charity. Is anyone planning to go to this? |