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Old 07-10-2011, 12:32 PM
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its not major, they missed the nose by about 4-5 inches, the back by about 2 inches
my theory is the molded it from an original dino from a junk yard 20 yrs ago,
that has extensive front end and rear damage from a crash (thats how they got it cheap), and they tried to correct best they could

imagination runs wild
I seriously doubt they got a mint dino and stripped it to make a mold, or the guys is an exceptional artist and almost got it right
Funny, I believe I stumbled upon an article once of someone making his own SLR on the basis of a W126 Merc, if I remember correctly. But the best part of the story was, he made it on the basis of a scale model (!) of the concept SLR, released years before the actual SLR. Not a replica fan by any means but that's kind of cool somehow.
Perhaps this was originally conceived the same way. 20-some years ago this info was hard to come by.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:51 PM
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Moulds taken from original 246 not 206 or any other replica

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absolutely not, I've seen the car in person.

The original owner of the company that produced them is now running the same concept,
the moulds have been bought and sold and he recently bought them back! then modified them.
except he has redesigned the body to mate to a toyota MR2, which looks even worse.

he will tell you the same thing. the body was hand crafted and they fudged the nose and tail, not molded from an original.
http://www.jhclassics.com/contactus same guy who owns this company started Deon Classics 20 yrs ago
go ahead and ask, hes a cool guy actually


here is the same comparison with guides
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its not major, they missed the nose by about 4-5 inches, the back by about 2 inches
my theory is the molded it from an original dino from a junk yard 20 yrs ago,
that has extensive front end and rear damage from a crash (thats how they got it cheap), and they tried to correct best they could

imagination runs wild
I seriously doubt they got a mint dino and stripped it to make a mold, or the guys is an exceptional artist and almost got it right
Just read through this with interest as there have been moulds taken from a mint 246 but not only that I have the moulds taken from the coupe and GTS models. I also have all the chassis jigs taken from the original chassis both coupe and GTS. So there are a set of perfect moulds in existance. Please see the pictures I have attached.
I have a collection of original Ferraris, that I have bought to use the running gear in the replicas when I eventually find the time to build some. Have to admit though still haven't made my mind up about the engine yet as a more readily available engine source may be better and would probably out perform the original plus I wouldn't have to break up any real Ferraris to build the replicas then. I bought a Fiat Dino to go down that route but decided against it, I even bought a stripped 246 engine and gearbox so my options are open. The problem being that if I do not go the Ferrari engine route I will probably have to redesign the rear end of the chassis to accomodate a gearbox that is not mounted below the engine.
There are from memory 8 replicas built from these moulds, however you probably wouldn't even realise they were not real Dinos,as far as I know they all had original engines in them etc.
If anyone would like to know more please get in touch.

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Old 09-30-2011, 10:42 PM
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Really interesting project. I would keep the drivetrain all Ferrari. Look at it as an evolution of the Dino. How about a 308 motor/gearbox? What do you use for glass, bumpers, trim etc?

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Old 09-30-2011, 11:58 PM
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I spy a GT4 in one of those photos...
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Old 10-01-2011, 12:13 AM
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A rusted 308 woyld make a perfect donor. The first ones were fiberglass afterall. A 250hp 308 motor would give great performance. You could probably use the guages, wheels(5 spoke Cromodoras or Campys), wiring loom, ventilation system etc etc!

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Old 10-01-2011, 03:08 AM
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The 308 route was the original idea, I bought a GTS and just can't bring myself to break it so may end up restoring it. Then I bought a 308 GTB with a slightly damaged front and again can't bring myself to break it so I even bought all the parts to repair this one, although haven't touched it since. Final attempt was a 308 GT4 which in my opinion was such an ugly car in comparison to the 246 and other 308s so this was the probable route to go. It was quite a good car which had quite a lot of money spent on the mechanical side so this will get broken up just when I have the time to do it.
The only reason I broke up the Fiat Dino was because it was rotten and really beyond repair although it was a low mileage one owner car. I have kept the wheels and one or two other bits towards the 246 project.
I also bought a Lancia Thema 8.32 thinking along those lines but once I had driven it, I thought what a good everyday practical car, four doors, four seats and a Ferrari V8 engine, ok the crank has been tweaked and down tuned but it's overall smoother than the 308 V8s. So this has been kept complete as well.
Thats where I am, I have built some 246 chassis and bodies but as soon as I start looking at doing one somone seems to come along and buy them.
As far as the glass goes, it will be all original glass.
I have all original trim that I will get copied.
I have some original bumpers which I am undecided on yet as I quite like the bumperless look.

Here are some pictures of a part built car from my moulds and jigs, this was on ebay several years ago and has the original engine etc. Not sure what happened to it as I lost the chaps details.

I personally prefer the coupe to the GTS but it would have looked the part if it was finished.
I would be interested in any information on tracking down any of these replicas that were built.

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Old 10-01-2011, 03:45 AM
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Why can't this type of thread be moved to a new Ferrari "Model Specific Discussions" category - like POS/BS FERRARIS????? Or, maybe there should be a new section for "Clenet and Fils." Or, better yet - "BUILDERS WANTING AND WAITING TO BE SUED BY FNA/FERRAI SpA"???

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Old 10-01-2011, 12:21 PM
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Mark,

I love your creativity and passion to what you're doing!! I always find it great to see viewpoints on what's acceptable vs not. We see "toolroom" copies like the D50's all the way to Speedsters, 550's, GT40's and Cobras. The Cobras became so popular that Caroll Shelby decided to get in the act as well! Love the creativity when reading kit car magazines. It allows anyone to create their dream! Keep going!

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Old 10-01-2011, 12:59 PM
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Why can't this type of thread be moved to a new Ferrari "Model Specific Discussions" category - like POS/BS FERRARIS????? Or, maybe there should be a new section for "Clenet and Fils." Or, better yet - "BUILDERS WANTING AND WAITING TO BE SUED BY FNA/FERRAI SpA"???
Pathetic, really pathetic.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:00 PM
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I was showing my car locally the other weekend when a guy i have known for years comes up to me and say's "blimey is this your car Graham? I have bought a set of moulds and am starting to build replicas" It transpires that he is designing them around MG TF runing gear (probably a good bet due to the age of these now and rust issues!) Anyhow he has invited me over to his workshop and i will post photos in due course.
I have to say i have mixed emotion over this...........particularly as at the same show a couple of guys said to me that they were impressed with my replica!!!!! and when i asked them why they thought it was a replica one replied " Because if it was real you would have Ferrari badges on it!".................................I give up.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:16 PM
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I was showing my car locally the other weekend when a guy i have known for years comes up to me and say's "blimey is this your car Graham? I have bought a set of moulds and am starting to build replicas" It transpires that he is designing them around MG TF runing gear (probably a good bet due to the age of these now and rust issues!) Anyhow he has invited me over to his workshop and i will post photos in due course.
I have to say i have mixed emotion over this...........particularly as at the same show a couple of guys said to me that they were impressed with my replica!!!!! and when i asked them why they thought it was a replica one replied " Because if it was real you would have Ferrari badges on it!".................................I give up.
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The MGF and all of the other replica Dino's are horrible, the thread authors cars are clearly in a different league, probably so close they irritate SOME original Dino owners because they can be completed to such a standard it would be hard to tell them apart, IMO these replicas should be in the bracket of the P4 replicas and not the POS catagory the clown insinuated.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:37 PM
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Mark, you mention the fact that you have original trim. Many here, have issues with more/less missing.
Are you going to actively pursue the re-manufacture of these parts?
I am certain you would have plenty of interested parties.

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Thanks for all the comments and interest, I will continue with my own project Dino as soon as I have time. I am hoping to get most parts remanufactured. I have even gone into replacement steel repair panels and have someone who can now make several panels if anyone needs them. Obviously no use to me on a fibreglass car but I would like to think that I can help owners of original cars as well as replicas. The same goes for the 308 GTB/GTS.
I have contemplated rebodying another car, MR2s, and MGFs come to mind but the problem is it will never look right or at least I haven't seen a perfect replica yet, however I have got something similar in mind for a cheaper project but I just need to find the right donor. I have one in mind so as soon as I can get one for the right price, watch this space, it will be a very interesting drive. The original chassis layout etc will always be best as there is no other way of making a perfect replica.
I can appreciate the Cobras and GT40 replicas and why not have something that can be driven everyday that you do not have to worry about parking or leaving unattended.
If the worse comes and your replica is involved in an accident, isn't this better than a 100000+ original, in some cases a lot more.
A prime exampe is a very nice GT40 replica I have just broken up for spares, it was a very nice car and even in damaged form fooled quite a few people who thought it was a real one.
If this had been a real one it would have been such a shame to have seen it blitzed like this. By the way this is not an advert as all the parts have been sold now except for the parts I wanted to keep for another project.
I hope this shows that good replicas are not a bad thing and can help with original cars as well.
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:48 PM
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246 Dino with 3.2 QV engine and box

Well this is the lastest idea for a 246 replica.
This will give it the performance and sound that it deserves.
Just got to find the time to do it now.
For anyone that says oh no breaking another Ferrari to build a replica I have attached a picture of the front, it isn't worth repairing.
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:35 PM
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Thought you guys might like to see another Dino replica. I purchased this car from Australia. Don't know any of the history behind the car but the last owner was planning to use the car in off-road rallies. The car came with all 246 running gear, oval tube frame that looks exactly like the original, fuel tanks and engine/transmission along with assorted trim. I purchased it for my GT that was missing the engine/trans. It would make a very convincing replica! The molds for the body are off an original car complete with euro side markers.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:35 AM
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One of the missing Dino kits

Hi there

It looks like one of the early kits from my moulds and jigs.
I had heard there was one in Australia, that was for sale a while ago but couldn't find out any more about it.
I noticed the top suspension mounts are bolted on where as mine are welded but other than that it looks the same.
If you have a look on the top chassis rail on the left side above the shock, is there a chassis number ?
Were all the inner panels, floors, bulkheads etc with it ?
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:44 AM
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Hello Mark,
I have a Dino that has some twist in the front chassis.
Can you provide replacement parts for it?
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Hello Mark,
I have a Dino that has some twist in the front chassis.
Can you provide replacement parts for it?
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Hi Alberto

What do you need, how much is damaged ?
I should be able to help you out here.
I have attached a couple of chassis pictures.

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Old 10-22-2011, 08:36 AM
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I cringe when I see an original Stratos wheel on a fake Stratos or some other difficult to find part. Other than that they don't bother me too much.
You mean like this? (see attached)

Owners of genuine cars do benefit from kit manufacturers parts.
Quite a few original Stratos and group 4 308 GTBs run round on Hawk coffin spoke wheels, for example.
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