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Discussion in '206/246' started by isuk, Sep 5, 2014.

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  1. isuk

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    #1 isuk, Sep 5, 2014
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    I just noticed this L series come up for sale at a specialist here. The ad says it has been repainted in it's original Oro Chiaro 106 - Y - 19 but unless my eyes deceive me they have got the colour formulation badly wrong. It also says the car has been through Ferrari Classiche which is interesting as I'm sure the L series experts on the board will be able to identify a whole list of glaring detail mistakes which really do once again bring the value of this certification into question IMHO - satin black in shut lines areas, door cards, dash material, cam cover finish, repro E series steering wheel etc. The correct items for the car are out there and it could have been restored to original spec with a bit of patience. I very much doubt the dealer in question will be selling the car at anything other than top market pricing using the Classiche tag as a guarantee of authenticity.

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  2. tx246

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    That looks more like Marrone, not Oro Chiaro
     
  3. HMB-Dino

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    Iain,
    I'm not so sure that the cam cover finish is wrong. As I was told (by someone we both know well) when I had my magnesium cam covers redone (they were painted silver), the resulting finish can span a wide range from dark tan to very dark brown. And the lighting when a photo is taken can either further darken or lighten the appearance of the finish.
     
  4. 4redno

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    As with any of these restorations, getting the last 5% right can be difficult and very expensive.

    I see lots that is right about the car and lots that is wrong.

    My car is 00542 so 00548 would have been just three behind mine on the assembly line.

    Cheers...Keith
     
  5. tx246

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    Are the headrests in black correct for tan seats? Looks pretty unusual, but I am not certain.
     
  6. 4CamGT

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    #6 4CamGT, Sep 5, 2014
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    It would be refreshing for a dealer to be more objective and give an honest assessment of the cars they represent. A dealer you would trust would act as an expert and be knowledgeable about the cars they sell. As far as I know, this dealer has a good reputation. They just seem to cater to someone not knowledgeable about Dinos. They would probably get the same price while at the same time consult the would be new owner to make the car correct by being more honest in their description. There are no bad Dinos, only bad descriptions. None of us would kick that Dino out of the garage. It seems like a nice Dino. When I bought my Dino from Fantasy Junction it was really refreshing to know all the facts. This gave me everything I needed to make a good decision and to give them my future trust.

    Freeman

    P.S. How it got Classisched with the wrong steering wheel and bumpers really dilutes Ferrari's standards.
     
  7. isuk

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    The dealer does have a very good reputation Freeman and tend to price their cars at the upper end of the market and do very good quality restoration work. It is a lovely car as others say so I did not intend to detract from that but instead thought it was an interesting car to discuss in terms of both the accuracy of the description/finishes and the Ferrari Classiche certification.
     
  8. GermanDino

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    yes
     
  9. rosso dino

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    ...but the back wall is not correct for a genuine leather interieur, maybe that's why it looks pretty unusual for you!? For a genuine leather interieur (very rare for L-Series) it has to be in the same leather as the seats and the door covers. The back wall on the pictures is correct for vinyl interieur.
    Apart from that, the leather wedge on the seat shell is not in the right position.
     
  10. pshoejberg

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    I'm not completely sure of this statement. My L-series was delivered with blue leather seat's (Only the middle insert piece was leather) and the back firewall and door sides was covered with blue vinyl. I believe the interior configuration on these early models were more diverse than you would think.

    Best regards

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  11. GermanDino

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    yes and no....
    you are right regarding seat center inserts....
    backwall always leather for leather interior, same colour as hole leather interio
    special orders have always been possible, but very rare....
     
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    Thanks for the clarification Matthias. You might say that the leather insert for the seats was the poor man's option for a "leather" interior choice....-:)
     
  13. GermanDino

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    I have seen it before, but also very rare.....
     
  14. tx246

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    Matthias,

    Are these type of "specific" identified items typically identified on original spec documents you have?

    Shawn
     
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    depends.... Italian documentation ��
    it's either listed as leather / vinyl mix or just leather.....
     
  16. dinogts

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    My understanding (though perhaps wrong) is that one can get "Classiched" with errors/deviations, but those errors/deviations are noted in a technical exceptions section of the certification documentation.

    Mark
     
  17. rosso dino

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    #17 rosso dino, Sep 8, 2014
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    You are right Mark,

    in the Classiche Certificate there are Pictures of all important components of the car and 'Non-original components' are indicated in red under the Picture, as you can see, at the picture of the fuel pump, in my certificate.

    Unfortunately they do not know everything as you can see at the comment on my steering wheel. ;o(

    If you are interested in, I will post (or PM) the whole text about the 'Authenticity Criteria' for a Classiche Certificate of authenticity, just let me know.

    Best regards

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  18. PhatFrank

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    Anyone know the asking price?
     
  19. pshoejberg

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    #19 pshoejberg, Sep 9, 2014
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    I agree with you Ron. The cam covers looks very much like the original appearing covers on my L series engine presented below.

    Regards Peter
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    #20 HMB-Dino, Sep 10, 2014
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    Hello Ron,

    your sticker on the coolant water tank is on the wrong side, the sticker on the air collection box is missing at all...
    originally no clamp on the overflow hose of the coolant water tank please...
    the engine compartment light is mossing....
    and no textured fuel hose originally....
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    Regards Matthias
     
  22. HMB-Dino

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    #22 HMB-Dino, Sep 11, 2014
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    what sticker is missing on the air collection box? Please provide a picture for reference.

    Compendium shows an overflow hose clamp in all the engine drawings (see M, E-series) and one appears in photo of M-series engine...??

    engine light bracket is patiently waiting for Rob's repro light

    textured fuel hose was a recent addition "to be correct" or so I was told...also, Compendium shows textured hose for 206 and M-series, but not L-series....???
     
  23. Finitele

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    How could this Dino ever do well at a Concours with these problems?
     
  24. swift53

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    It is the same with priests at the confessional. Different priest, different penance...

    Regards, Alberto
     
  25. HMB-Dino

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    #25 HMB-Dino, Oct 14, 2014
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    Simple;
    - engine light was actually present during the concours which occurred later than the pic shown
    - judges don't seem to care about stickers
    - Compendium, which was used as a reference by judges, shows the expansion tank hose with a clamp in all its engine drawings
    - I never got an answer on air collection box sticker inquiry
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