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Ferrari supercars confiscated in Germany...

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  1. Marcel Massini

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    #1 Marcel Massini, Oct 12, 2016
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    +++ 83 Häuser durchsucht +++ Fünf Bosse in U-Haft +++ | Millionen-Razzia gegen Bau-Mafia! - Frankfurt - Bild.de

    There are tax/IRS issues (tax evasion and fraud) and money laundering problems. Article says that no fewer than 600 police officers, customs and tax investigators and state attorneys raided several luxury houses and villas, offices and apartments, in Frankfurt and other German cities. Several Ferrari supercars, expensive paintings and jewelry, computers and other properties were confiscated. This included a rare 1:8 scaled Amalgam model of a Ferrari LaFerrari that the owner of a LF had received from the factory. Five people from Germany, Iran, Greece and Austria were arrested (pretrial detention), aged between 34 to 49 years.

    Maybe in a year or two there will be a court auction of an LF, an F12 and an F12 tdf and others?

    Marcel Massini
     
  2. Johnny Prezemullo

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    #2 Johnny Prezemullo, Oct 12, 2016
    One of the suspects is a f-chatter with 599 gto, f12tdf etc. !

    Regards
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  3. Nelsonc275

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    #3 Nelsonc275, Oct 12, 2016
    The article didn't mention any names did it?
     
  4. Johnny Prezemullo

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    #4 Johnny Prezemullo, Oct 12, 2016
    It did: "Nach BILD-In*for*ma*tio*nen wird im Zuge des Ver*fah*rens auch gegen den Frank*fur*ter Arzt - Ema*nu*el L. - er*mit*telt – der als Ver*mie*ter für Ärger be*kannt sein soll" ...
     
  5. joe sackey

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    #5 joe sackey, Oct 12, 2016
    A picture of Al Pacino in Scarface :rolleyes:
     
  6. dcmetro

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    #6 dcmetro, Oct 13, 2016
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    God damned !

    First of all, the accused is always presumed innocent in all types of proceedings; proof is always the burden of the accuser.

    but the article clearly refers to a German F-chat member ... with a very serious F-car collection.

    The F12 is identical

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ff-gtc4lusso-f12/418022-new-toy.html

    and the name is the same as the one quoted in the article.

    The guy is a German doctor with an incredible supercar collection.

    Laf, tdf, GTO x 2, SLR, SLS, GTB x 2, F12 X 2...and many more.
     
  7. 250P

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    #7 250P, Oct 13, 2016
    Maybe he was "stitched up"
     
  8. Christian.Fr

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    #8 Christian.Fr, Oct 13, 2016
    Big operation, Mediterranean refugees Mafia.
     
  9. bigmoose

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    #9 bigmoose, Oct 13, 2016
    Lets end this on the basis …
    the accused is always presumed innocent in all types of proceedings; proof is always the burden of the accuser.
     
  10. randkin

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    #10 randkin, Oct 13, 2016
    In the US the burden of proof is on the accuser is that true of European countries as well? If so how can they haul away his stuff w/o a trial or they “just storing it for him” prior to trial?
     
  11. Bradwilliams

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    #11 Bradwilliams, Oct 13, 2016
    Scarface posters.

    Classy
     
  12. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    #12 BMW.SauberF1Team, Oct 13, 2016
    It sounds more like civil forfeiture laws in the US and how they can take a suspect's property and have it sorted it out later if the suspect can prove no wrongdoing (it's commonly done in the US and here in FL for drug related crimes).
     
  13. noone1

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    #13 noone1, Oct 13, 2016
    Typically stuff can be taken if it's suspected as being part of a crime. I'm guessing that if they're hauling away as much stuff as they are, the probably have some pretty solid evidence to go on.
     
  14. randkin

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    #14 randkin, Oct 14, 2016
    OK but still sounds like lack of due process but then I am no attorney. Good luck sorting it out later if the charges are not proven. I am sure the civil authority is very helpful sorting it out later.
     
  15. subirg

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    #15 subirg, Oct 14, 2016
    Reminds me of the icemanbops saga of a few years ago...
     
  16. AJ

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    #16 AJ, Oct 14, 2016
    Likewise!
     
  17. Johnny Prezemullo

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    #17 Johnny Prezemullo, Oct 14, 2016
    Ferrari cars etc. seizure in Frankfurt took place according to § 111c StPO, German law is very different to U.S.law.

    Regards
    Johnny
     
  18. Christian.Fr

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    #18 Christian.Fr, Nov 3, 2016
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    Ferrari Oktoberfest in Frankfurt.

    Others news?
     
  19. DreamCarrera

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    #19 DreamCarrera, Nov 3, 2016

    I've never seen a tow truck lift a car like the truck in the link is lifting that F12...that can't be good for the car!
     
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    #20 crazyblack, Nov 4, 2016
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    #22 faykau, Nov 4, 2016
    the owner of the black shield lafe?
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    #23 Marcel Massini, Nov 4, 2016
    Yes. And F12, F12 tdf and 599 GTO, etc.

    Marcel Massini
     
  24. dcmetro

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    #24 dcmetro, Nov 5, 2016
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    He publicy claimed ownership over the following cars

    Ferrari Laferrari
    Ferrari F12 Tdf
    Ferrari F12 x 2
    Ferrari 599 GTO x 2
    Ferrari 599 GTB
    Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
    Ferrari 365 GT 2+2
    Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
    Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
    Mercedes-Benz G Class
    Fiat 600

    It's difficult to understand why he was displaying his (Allegedly) ill gotten gains under his real name, showing his face on pictures he posted.

    I'm pretty disappointed. he seemed to be the ideal son-in-law, looking good, a Noble Job (Physician)...

    And he was a very cool member, giving us great information when he attended the private presentation of the tdf...
     
  25. Christian.Fr

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    #25 Christian.Fr, Nov 6, 2016
    It s sometimes funny to read some reaction...
    How people lost the reality of things in front the marvellous.
     
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