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  1. ATSAaron

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    #1 ATSAaron, Mar 28, 2016
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    First off I have to apologize because I am posting from my phone and this site allows exactly one photo per post.

    So here is the engine bay of my turbo 308. Mason Bleasdell owed me a few favors for fixing his MR2, so credit for the pretty pictures goes to him.

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  2. ATSAaron

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    #2 ATSAaron, Mar 28, 2016
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    288 GTO front bumper, turn signals, foglights and air dam. I bought material to fabricate a grille, but I kind of like the rawness of the fans.
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  3. ATSAaron

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    #4 ATSAaron, Mar 28, 2016
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    It runs on E85. It's very convenient for me as there is a pump about a block from my shop. E85 is mostly ethanol and has a very high octane and excellent cooling properties. Because of this we actually raised compression on the engine and added a turbo on top of that. The results are amazing. 572whp (about 700 flywheel horsepower based on the drivetrain losses we have seen with other F cars).
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  5. topcarbon

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    Wow, just wow
     
  6. ATSAaron

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    308 stock crankshaft
    Carillo rods
    Norwood custom JE pistons
    348 heads
    Cams worked by Bob
    308 QV block
    Custom clutch - part center force, part Bob Norwood, part Notwood Italia
    328 oil pump, can gears, exhaust manifolds and intake runners
    308 QV intake plenum

    70mm throttle body
    630cc injectors
    Fuel rails by ATS/Bob
    Runners modded for efi by ATS
    Runners ported to match 348 heads
    Cam/crank sensors from Bob
    Link G4+ ecu tuned by ATS
    Toyota Tundra coils

    Turbo kit fabricated by ATS
    Precision 6265 billet compressor wheel turbo with .82 ar T4 exhaust

    Trunk mounted water to air intercooler core and reservoir.
     
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  7. Jack-the-lad

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    Impressive. What's the CR and how much boost?
     
  8. ATSAaron

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    We also did a bunch of restoration/resto-mod work.

    There is a custom aluminum radiator
    Custom ac condenser
    Dual SPAL fans
    Replaced all ac lines with R134 barrier hose
    New Sanden compressor
    New ac interior fan

    AC vent temps are cold. I haven't had a really hot day to try it, but on 80 degree days the vent temps get down into the high 30's.
     
  9. ATSAaron

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    Jack - about 11.5:1 and 14 psi of boost.
     
  10. miketuason

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    Impressive!
     
  11. Jdubbya

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    Holy Crap. A 308 with what might be a bit too much power! :eek:

    That is going to be a real handful to drive anywhere close to it's potential. Did you do any suspension or brake upgrades to match the power? What a fun project !!!

    Would love to see and hear it running.
     
  12. Robb

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    Looks fantastic. Let's see more photos. Any videos?

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  13. ATSAaron

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    #13 ATSAaron, Mar 28, 2016
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    We also installed the Girodisc brake kit. It's better, but you still have to be careful about when you use the boost.

    The suspension is all new poly bushings, QA-1 coilovers, new ball joints, new steering rack and tie rods.
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  14. ATSAaron

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  15. Brian Harper

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    I want your front spolier/air dam!! I'd put a grill in it, but I love the GTO quad lights. I've contemplated buying a deep fiberglass repro and modifying it.

    And the power, I'd be up for a fistfull of that also!

    Noice!
     
  16. Arvid

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    WOW ! This looks mean and fast.

    Are the wheels 17" Autostrada Modena ? They look great on the car. I have a set that's going on the 400GT some time in the future.

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  17. 455Fosbery

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    Simply fabulous!

    Before any of the purists jump in (AKA the 'originality freaks'... and BTW there is absolutely nothing wrong with being one!), it must be said that you really have to drive one of these conversions before passing judgment. If you are used to a stock 308 QV, these are surreal!

    That being said, as the man reminds: "...you still have to be careful about when you use the boost..."

    I recall many years ago one of the reviews of the original Porsche 930 being simply, "Lethal in the wrong hands". 14 pounds of boost in this application certainly could yield the same observation.

    All the very best and happy (and safe!) driving with this rocket!

    John (another Norwood turbo-QV owner)
     
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    Nice! I'd love to see some video of this thing in action!
     
  19. ATSAaron

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    Yes! That is exactly what they are. Good eye.

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  20. ATSAaron

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    #20 ATSAaron, Mar 29, 2016
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    All my original parts including my carbureted 2v engine are shelved/stored. Almost everything was a "bolt on" affair with no drilling or cutting. But I can't imagine wanting to go back to original/stock.
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  21. smg2

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    Friggen awesome, love boosted engines! Anything over 450Hp is pure stupid fun and plasters a grin that sticks for long while!

    Link G4, really the only way to go unless one has serious coin for Mclaren :D I really like the ease and speed of using Link.

    Honestly you're probably around 630-ish at the crank. I know sounds low, but there is a couple reasons why, bearing and viscous gear drag are roughly ~1% most all gearboxes in a 1:1 ratio are 98%~98.5% efficient. The 308 though is 1:1.12 in 4th so it's off that mark by about 2%. I'd roughly figure a loss of ~10%. The transaxle in the 308 does not utilize a 90* turn via a hypoid-geared diff, that's where conventional drivetrains lose ~10%.

    Another thing to keep in mind is the losses are frictional and thus would be converted as heat, converting the loss to heat in terms of power required to heat the gear oil and transaxle will give one a rough idea if the numbers are realistic. Oil heats up at twice the rate of water for example. 126Hp or a 22% thermal conversion would boil the oil in very short order!

    Oh and interesting to note, there is a right off the bat a 10% reduction in RPM from the clutch to the input shaft, the drop gears are not 1:1.
     
  22. luckydynes

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    Awesome job and way to stick with it!

    I'd scare myself with that much power ... I want to be scared :).

    cheers
     
  23. Saabguy

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    As with others I say WOW!
     
  24. sltillim

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    Insane build and right on for doing what YOU want!!!!

    I love the front end too. I would think it would be very easy to damage that nice radiator though. Rather than making a traditional 288 grille you can do something more raw like some vintage mesh grille that is a little recessed and only covers most of the radiator. I'd paint the mesh black too - that would be mean!!! Do a search on "bumperless" in the 308 section and you can get some ideas from some threads.

    can't wait to see this thing go in a video!
     
  25. GrayTA

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    Holy Crap!!!

    That's insane!!!

    Congrats on an incredible car!!



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