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  1. Beetle

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    This has probably all ready been covered but has or is anyone using the Sanden 8048 8PV type air conditioning pump. It only seems that it has a couple extra grooves on the Pulley. Any info or problems found would be good to know. Thanks in advance
     
  2. Beetle

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  3. Qavion

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    Hi, Paul
    What's up with your old one? Unfixable? Ferrari distributors don't have any in stock?

    I spent a few hours with Google, researching Sanden compressors.

    The original "SD7H15 7840" (7 series) model seems to have quite a few differences to the SD7H15 8048 (8 series) model. Whether these differences are important, I'm not sure.

    I wasn't able to determine if the pulley was detachable from the clutch. If not, you may have problems. The OEM clutch has a keyed shaft and the 8048 has a splined shaft.

    There are cheaper (probably Chinese) compressor alternatives... see:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144549266-post529.html

    Remanufactured ones also seem to be available:

    Order Ferrari 02 7H15 PV5 | Sanden compressor 157355,7840

    Not local, however, so postage might be a bit steep.

    I was looking at Sanden's FLX series (flexible series) and the Enhanced SD7H15 series, but it looks like the OEM 119mm PV5 (5 groove) pulley isn't available for these.

    If the pulley is a separate part and it's bolted onto the clutch in a similar manner on both clutch types and you could transfer your old pulley to your new compressor, you would still have to make sure it sits in the right position in relation to the compressor mount faces. When looking for compatible compressors, I believe the dimension to look for is the centre of the pulley to the mounting face (i.e. of the lugs or "ears" as they call them).

    Here's some specs for the 8048:

    "CO-55792 8048 SD7H15 12Volt 8V-type /132mm diameter pulley. Vertically oriented hose connectors. Standard lug mount. Original charge (?) 135cc. Dust cover. Splined shaft. Rubber armature. Clutch part number is EC-132PV81CA.

    Here are some specs for Polarbearinc version:

    https://www.polarbearinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=11262
    Compressor Description For SD 7H15 Model # 7840
    Sanden Part Number: 7840
    OEM 157355
    PBI Replacement Part Number: CO 7840F
    Mount Type: Ear Mount
    Rear Head Code (raised lettering on rear head of compressor): CB ("Cylinder head")
    Hose Fitting Type: Vertical 1" X 14
    Vertical = Fitting on top or on side of rear head
    Horizontal = Fitting on back of rear head as opposed to side or top
    Pulley: 119 mm Diameter 5 Groove Pulley (Identical to OEM pulley)
    Coil Voltage: 12Volts Number of Wires: 1 with diode to ground and factory connector

    All SD7H15 have these specs:

    7 cylinder swashplate
    Capacity 155cc
    Rotation Clockwise
    Max continuous rpm 6000
    Refrigerant type R-134a

    Here's a few more links with dimensions...

    https://www.highgateair.com.au/images/stories/products-pdf/Compressors.pdf

    https://www.highgateair.com.au/images/stories/products-pdf/Clutches.pdf

    It seems you can still buy some parts for the OEM type (bearings, seals, etc), so, depending on what's wrong with your old one, you could probably hand the compressor to your local repair man.

    Sorry, no real help.

    Cheers
    Ian
     
  4. Beetle

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    Thanks Ian that is heaps of help
    I new there was some info regarding this but i didn't look at the 348 section but i will
    Apparently the 8048 is an interchangeable part except for the amount of pulley grooves?
     
  5. Qavion

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    #5 Qavion, Mar 21, 2017
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    I still have no idea. I hope my message didn't suggest this?

    Looking at this video, it actually shows the disassembly (may require some specialist tools)...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJR1NGoMI7M

    The clutch appears to consist of:
    1) the hub at the end (which has the keyed or splined hole to match the drive shaft).
    2) the pulley (held onto the assembly with a circlip)
    3) the electromagnetic coil/doughnut

    I can see all sorts of potential problems matching the old pulley to the new compressor:

    Compressor drive shaft length
    Pulley inside diameter in relation to drive shaft and the magnetic coil and the collar around the drive shaft
    Location of groove on the drive shaft(or whatever?) for the pulley circlip
    Location of the shoulder on the shaft (?) where the pulley sits
    Etc..

    As I said, there appears to be no 5-groove pulley options for the latest SD7H15 type compressors, and I don't know the reason why.

    Time to call in the specialists (ask Sanden?)

    Cheers
    Ian.

    (EDIT)

    The video shows that the pulley is not bolted onto the clutch. It's just held in by a circlip.
     
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  7. Beetle

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    Sanden CM7986 can be used for a 355 you just change the hose connection head of the 7840 on to the 7986. Sanden 7986 is a 94 Volkswagen 2 ltr transit AC compressor. This info should probably go in the sticky section I think
     
  8. Qavion

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    Is a 23 year old compressor easier to find, Paul?

    According to this site, it's a "special build"..

    http://www.autoair.co.nz/site/autoair/files/PDF%20FILES/AAA%20Application%20Guide.pdf

    Also, the CM7986 has a 6 groove pulley, so you would need to change that, too. Does your source say that your existing pulley can go on the 7986 clutch or will you have to transfer the complete clutch to the new compressor? Note: According to one website, there are 3 different kinds of SD7H15 clutches.

    Cheers
     
  9. Beetle

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    #9 Beetle, Mar 23, 2017
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    Sanden Australia Tell me its a direct fit except changing the rear hose head (they even sent me instructions on how to change it) They also told me that you do not need to change the pulley the belt will only use 5 of the grooves. I'm about to do a major and last time i did it the AC pump clutch was quite loose so i never re-gassed the system. Sanden Australia do not have or supply the ferrari pump or parts and the CM7986 is the replacement and you can purchase with either 6PV or dual V belt pulley you just tell them when you order. It also comes with the correct amount and correct type of oil required for the system
     
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    Excellent. I guess a couple of millimeters fore/aft doesn't make much difference.

    It still would have been nice to have been able to fit one of the enhanced SD7H15's. They are supposed to be more efficient (15%~20%). I wonder why they are not compatible.
     
  11. Beetle

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    Yes agree totally. When I put the pump on the engine when it's out I will put a thread in the sticky section with all the info regarding the pump and any pictures applicable to its application. Overall it seems that it is certainly a cheaper option than the original Ferrari compressor
     

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