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Old 06-16-2005, 07:02 PM
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Common 348 Corrosion problems.

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I am in the market for my first f-car and I have my heart set on a 348. I went to see my first car today at Verdi's and liked what I saw. As this was my first viewing I made sure I didn't get carried away but it did make me want one even more.
The car in question was a 348 tb 1990 model in red. It looked a nice car and was well known to verdi's as they have serviced it for the last 4 years. It came belted and everything as most of his cars seem to.
There was one thing which I noticed and this was the bubbling starting along both sides where the rear quarter panel joins the rear roof strut. I pointed it out to Mr verdi and he informed me this was a common problem with 348s and 355s. He even pointed it out on a 355 to me. His explanation was due to the way the car was made and this would need rectifying every couple of years.
I suppose I am asking do other owners have this problem and will it really need looking at every couple of years?
Any other info on things to look out for would be greatly appreciated.

As this was my first visit to a specialist dealer I did not know what to expect and was worried I would be ignored and brushed off as a time waster. Especially as I was turning up in my renault megane. But I have to say Mr Verdi was very helpfull and keen to show me the cars and impart his knowledge on what's what. He was even willing to do me a deal to meet my budget. You never know I might have to go back but I do want to look at more 348s until I make my mind up.

I,m sure this has been covered before but how much can colour affect the value of a car. I have seen a 93 348GTB advertised for a shade under 24K which seems very well priced. But it is dark met blue? Anyone?

Many thanks in advance. I have learnt so much from this site already.

Chaddy
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:23 PM
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mine had a stress cracks in the paint on both sides in the places you were talking about. Don't know how it happened, but I am told this is pretty common...Mine is being painted again though, as I am sure that will fix those cracks...
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Old 06-16-2005, 08:38 PM
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i assume the 24k for the 348 is pounds/ euros?
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i assume the 24k for the 348 is pounds/ euros?
Probably pounds since he is in the UK
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Common on the 355B and GTS, never seen it on a 348, but would assume it is entirely possible. I would never buy a car without having that fixed first, regardless of the explaination. 348's are nice cars...there is tons of good information on this site if you search the archives. Here is a nice place to start:
http://www.ferrariclub.com/faq/348versions.html

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I've seen a lot of 348's and 355's but never seen anything like that...
And I can't call The Netherlands a sunny country.
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Hi everyone,

I am in the market for my first f-car and I have my heart set on a 348. I went to see my first car today at Verdi's and liked what I saw. As this was my first viewing I made sure I didn't get carried away but it did make me want one even more.
The car in question was a 348 tb 1990 model in red. It looked a nice car and was well known to verdi's as they have serviced it for the last 4 years. It came belted and everything as most of his cars seem to.
There was one thing which I noticed and this was the bubbling starting along both sides where the rear quarter panel joins the rear roof strut. I pointed it out to Mr verdi and he informed me this was a common problem with 348s and 355s. He even pointed it out on a 355 to me. His explanation was due to the way the car was made and this would need rectifying every couple of years.
I suppose I am asking do other owners have this problem and will it really need looking at every couple of years?
Any other info on things to look out for would be greatly appreciated.

As this was my first visit to a specialist dealer I did not know what to expect and was worried I would be ignored and brushed off as a time waster. Especially as I was turning up in my renault megane. But I have to say Mr Verdi was very helpfull and keen to show me the cars and impart his knowledge on what's what. He was even willing to do me a deal to meet my budget. You never know I might have to go back but I do want to look at more 348s until I make my mind up.

I,m sure this has been covered before but how much can colour affect the value of a car. I have seen a 93 348GTB advertised for a shade under 24K which seems very well priced. But it is dark met blue? Anyone?

Many thanks in advance. I have learnt so much from this site already.

Chaddy
Chaddy,

If it's your first Fcar, I would go for red, it's not called 'resale red' for nothing. But it's also a personal thing, so if reds not your 'thing' go for what is but it may be harder to move on if you want to sell and will invite lower offers.

The 93 GTB I assume is LHD?
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Old 06-17-2005, 02:43 AM
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Hi Guys thanks for replies so far.

Yes I am talking sterling. The 1990 348tb, red one, is being offered at 25k and is a LHD. Not bothered about that as it fits my price range and its an F-car.
The 93 GTB is also LHD. Not red. Same milage. Have not seen it in the flesh yet so cannot comment on condition. It is at Forza288.

I agree about the red. It is the colour I want for the same reasons as everyone else I suppose. It looks the Dogs. But then how desperate do I want one of these and GTB is a better model to go for due to the revisions according to opinion. If it was yellow then I wouldn't be worried but this Metallic Verdi as it's decribed. Not sure. Just doesn't look as stunning as the red.




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Old 06-17-2005, 04:36 AM
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Hi everyone,

There was one thing which I noticed and this was the bubbling starting along both sides where the rear quarter panel joins the rear roof strut. I pointed it out to Mr verdi and he informed me this was a common problem with 348s and 355s. He even pointed it out on a 355 to me. His explanation was due to the way the car was made and this would need rectifying every couple of years.
Chaddy
This is quite typical on 348 and 355 and should be a straight forward repair.

Other areas to look out for are:-
Bonnet (around the badge and corners)
Front wings (wheel arches,around side indicator lamp and at the bottom rear edge)
Inside the lower intake on the sill
Rear of the sill
Rear arches
Rear wings under the channel with the stripe
Underside of doors
Lower part of windscreen frame
Mirrors & Mounting Brkt
Rear of engine cover
Sill Kickplates/cover plates

The front and rear bumpers/spoilers are GRP so they wont rot,but check the underside of the front one for damage.

Best of luck with your search

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I have not seen that before, but my 348 has a little corrosion on the right side mirror post. Join the 348 brotherhood, you will like it.
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Old 06-17-2005, 07:52 AM
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I spent about a year looking for a LHD non-red (just a personal choice!) 348GTS. I am surprised that you've found a '93 GTS as all that I found were '94. The price of 36000 (equivalent) appears DEFINITELY too good to be true. I got mine for just over 40000 and had to take accept quite a few negative points (service due, paint chips etc.) All other GTS were going for 45000 - 46000. A couple of so-called '93 "GTS" at really good prices (40000) turned out to be 348ts with paint jobs on the lower skirts.

Good luck anyway, but be careful if it's really a genuine 320hp F119H that you're after!

(BTW, mine doesn't have your corrosion spots. Just rust around the sill plate screws on one side)
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Old 06-17-2005, 08:28 AM
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I am surprised that you've found a '93 GTS as all that I found were '94. The price of 36000 (equivalent) appears DEFINITELY too good to be true.
It's a LHD GTB Drew, which even being LHD in UK is a good price. It must be because of either mileage, colour or condition... or a bit of each.

Chaddy - those "rust spots" on the base of the flying butresses are indeed VERY common on the TB and TSs and GTB / GTSs.

It not rust though, so much as the weld cracking slightly due to heat from the engine. Karl Verdi has a top reputation and knows his stuff.

As it is your first Ferrari, I would definitely do a deal by which it is repaired prior to purchase or it will bug you every time you look at it. If you find a 348 whithout this problem, chances are it will be very low miles, or it will have been rectified already.

Good luck.
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Old 06-17-2005, 09:21 AM
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It's a LHD GTB Drew, which even being LHD in UK is a good price. It must be because of either mileage, colour or condition... or a bit of each.
Dohhh! Like they say "reading educates"! In any case, the price still seems incredibly low since, even if it is in UK now, it must have originated as a continental europe priced car. Mine is blue too. (It's not actually, it's blue sera )

My experience with the colour was a bit different to the common belief. I WANTED a subtle dark blue car (it's just my personal belief that HAVING a Ferrari is enough without having to SHOUT it). When I found one, I really had to rush to get it as there were a few other people interested and a blu sera 348GTS is as rare as rocking horse manure. Red 348's are plentiful and this tends to put the buyer in a good bargaining position.

Anyway, even if it is a non-targa, the comment still applies that (at least in Germany) there are even car dealers who genuinely think they are selling a GTB when it is actually a tb. A photo of the engine bay with plenums (plena?) is the quickest way to determine the car's true nature via eMail!

In any case it's nice to hear from someone who is actively seeking a 348 - IMHO the optimum 'first Ferrari'

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Old 06-17-2005, 10:58 AM
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Here is a picture of the engine bay of the GTB from the dealers website. Not very clear so gon't know if anything can be seen from this pic.
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:17 AM
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Yep, that's the genuine F119H GT engine 320hp!
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:36 AM
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Have just looked at the website. IMHO, if you like the colour (verdi = green, not blue), a genuine 348GTB at that price with that mileage and FSH, recent cambelt etc. seems very good value. They don't say anything about accident history though, do they?

From the pics (which can sometimes be deceptive) the steering wheel looks really ancient and sun-dried. The front bonnet (hood!) looks a bit crinkly near the LH headlight. I wouldn't say that that mileage is anything to worry about - any less and it is getting into garage-queen territory.
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:59 AM
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Sorry, I did actually start to think it was probably green not blue. If the car presents good value then maybe the colour isn't so important. But an inspection will be all telling.
Think I will have to request more info from them.

BTW - how can you tell its a genuine GTB from the engine?
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Old 06-17-2005, 01:15 PM
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A bit difficult to describe, but the pattern of ribs on the two intake plenum chambers is different and this is the most noticeable visible feature.

GT plenums are like the red painted ones (sorry, it's my car but I wasn't responsible for the chav red paint job!). Previous ones are like the silver plenums pic.

A shame, but a tan interior would really set off the green metallic nicely. I have a similar gripe with my blue interior, but GT's are few and far between and I'd long since decided I wanted a GTS when I bought mine.
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Sorry, I did actually start to think it was probably green not blue. If the car presents good value then maybe the colour isn't so important. But an inspection will be all telling.
Think I will have to request more info from them.

BTW - how can you tell its a genuine GTB from the engine?
Verdi means green in Italian and it is listed as Metallic Verdi so definitely green. You will want to love that colour as it will be hard to shift later. I have blu sera on my spider and it is nice without being red.

Good hunting - find a solid car, fix the few niggles that will likely come up and then drive the hell out of it. I love mine....

On the C-pillar issue I just read somewhere that the factory used lead to smooth that seam and it will crack over time - I have seen a 355GTB ('95 I think) that had that problem so it mightn't be rot per se but just what may be a more typical problem.

Cheers
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