Hello fellas, My 2007 F430 is in for its first service since I bought it last year. All seems ok except a very small oil drip/leak from the 'front of the engine area'. Tech reckons it'll be ok to monitor as looking at 12 hours to investigate/fix 😳 Anyway, my question to you guys is this....I asked them to investigate an exhaust rattle, to which they have come back with the tail pipe area. The only options given were to replace the endpipes (£2400 each side) or a complete new performance exhaust (Ferrari) for £4800. I've searched plenty & can't see anywhere there could be a rattle from that couldn't be repaired? I've been told it's from a bracket & it's not possible to repair. They promised to email me a photo of the area which hasn't arrived, in case I'm confused as the tail pipe! I'm a little annoyed it's not covered by the approved warranty anyway, but any suggestions guy's? Cheers!
Isn't there a classic 430 exhaust bracket issue ? I'm sure there must be previous threads here - just found this https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/capristo-bracket-kit-for-oem-muffler-ferrari-f430-0409-p-157086.html - I accept it may or may not be the location they describe
Pending photos to confirm the exact location you are talking about, it COULD be spot welded, but expect it to reoccur. Personally, I would spend the money on the OEM upgraded Sport exhaust. Ask for a discount on the Sport exhaust kit or the labor, you wont be unhappy. As for the warranty, nothing other than the org 3 year warranty would have covered it... if that helps at all. GL, will keep an eye out for the photo! S
Mine had a rattle on start up due to a snapped exhaust bracket. After the engine bay warmed up the rattle would go. The tech showed a photo of the broken bracket. Bought a new aftermarket one for 65 quid and no rattle after that. It's pretty easy to stick your hand and feel around the exhaust bracket for a break. The weak point is under the bracket where the join is. Picture is of my left exhaust bracket (picture seems to be rotated 90 degrees clockwise) Image Unavailable, Please Login
My guess is the exhaust brackets from my take of what you said. I would see what you can get them down on the Sport exhaust, and get yourself a set of our exhaust brackets, or Capristo exhaust mounts. Ferrari F430 Exhaust Support Brackets
IMO, Dealers aren't great for finding creative and cost effective solutions, they are all about re and re and selling parts.
Bin the exhaust brackets. 360's don't have them and they have a much bigger heavier muffler. The top bow spring can easily support the weight. The brackets break because they can't flex. Same reason headers fail on 430's, exhaust is rigid. Most folks just re-weld them good and strong making the problem even worse. The solution cost's zero $.
Here I go but there are people at the dealers who work outside the box in your best interests. The one you may be most appreciative of is their lead tech. We have such a person at our dealership and I am grateful. I can't speak for the junior techs because I just don't know them. I just keep my fingers crossed that the lead guy is micro managing them and that they are fans of the brand and of course very skilled with their hands. You guys with choices who don't live on an island with one dealership really need to be making connections and selecting the best choice. The region section of F-Chat is great for this as are your local FCA events. That's the Ferrari Club of America boys. Join up and subscribe here too. It will pay back in spades!
Thanks for the replies folks. I'm still awaiting the photos, so will post when I receive them. I understood it was the tail pipe section that was rattling, & have looked at the fabspeed pipes @ £2075 here in the U.K., but also wondering about the x-section & pipes for £3700 to get rid of the white powder problem too. Interesting point about getting rid of the brackets entirely....I hadn't even thought that would be an option?
In my opinion and its been reported as well, this bracket rite here is one of reasons or possibly the main the reason exhaust manifolds fail. These dont allow room for expansion and thats why these and manifolds crack. Mine were both cracked so I took mine off
Mark, I assume you are fully aware of the factory exhaust manifold issues on the 430 / 360. If not just do a search on here, or google it. The stock manifolds will crack, and can ingest pre-cat material into the engine on the valve overlap. Which is very expensive damage to the internals of the engine. The only recourse is to replace them with aftermarket items, which may invalidate your warranty. I had my stock manifolds checked by Ed at Christian Lewis (Northampton), mine were OK but I still had them replaced by the A.P. items from Fabspeed and fitted with the Capristo mounting brackets at the rear which allows expansion & contraction. You also have to get the manifolds insulated by plasma coating here in the UK. As you appear to reside in Oxford may I suggest you get down to Christian Lewis and get Ed to have a look and advise you. I have had my 430 for almost 3 years and Ed is the only tech to touch it, I can thoroughly recommend them. Good luck and best regards.
Have a look on the Capristo germany web site. It shows the Capristo expansion brackets and the Ferrari brackets you need to remove once you fit their expansion set. All the brackets are available so dont understand why it cannot be fixed or replaced. You sure it is not the valves on the tail pipes are not making the rattle noise, you can fit a tension spring to them to stop it.
Thanks for the input guys. I've not expected photos of the offending area over the weekend, but I did quiz the person I am dealing with who asssued me it was the 'tail pipe' and not the valve. I am aware of the headers issue thanks �� This appears to be unrelated from what I'm being told. If it is purely the tailpipe fixing bracket, I'll not be too impressed with them attempting to sell me almost £5000 worth of replacement! I'll update when they send them through. Ps, thanks for the recommendation for Christian Lewis ��
If the rattle is inside the tail pipe thenn it can be fixed, these pipes are very thick and heavy so get it cut open and weld up what is causing the problem. Dont drop it on your foot as it will break your toe, its that solid.
As said a tail pipe or bracket or whatever it is can easily be repaired. I would want to see the problem before paying anything.
So, photo has arrived with the description: "Please find attached picture of exhaust. The internal spring clamp between the two brackets has failed, causing rattle. We cannot weld as the support needs to be flexible." So....thoughts guys? (Pic below hopefully) Image Unavailable, Please Login
I cant quite understand what their telling you. I can make it out in the pic. Maybe someone else will have a better idea
This is the area. If they are saying this bracket is the cause, I fail to see why you would require new end pipes as these look like there are bushing or washer material in between. Tightening or replacing should be a easy, DIY job. I don't see visible cracks and you can weld in this area. StickBreitling is showing the picture we would have expected to see! Are they trying to pull a fast one here? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Maybe one of the spring clips that attach under the crossbar and to the pipe clamp in this pic broke? Either way you can get a used tailpipe assembly on EBay for about $350 per side and bolt it right on. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what spring clips you mean? Unfortunately the car is still with the dealer so I can't look. I'm not going to get them to go ahead with the work, but I want to sort the annoying rattle when I get it back from them (if it ever comes back! lol).
In the pictures above there are two pieces of metal that attach underneath the crossbars tying the pipes together on top and bottom. Those pieces of metal extend down one pipe and are secured under a clamp. In the picture of your pipes, inside the red box you can see the end of the piece of metal on the left side under the crossbar. However since they took the picture from the wrong side you can't see whether or not those bent metal "springs" are cracked/broken. I believe those pieces of metal are meant to absorb vibrations and if they are cracked/broken it would almost certainly cause it rattle in the pipes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
