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Old 08-23-2006, 05:19 PM
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F50 and F40. You won't lose a penny.
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Old 08-23-2006, 06:19 PM
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Also, I do not know how you can compare an LP640 to an Enzo. Enzo is in a different class altogether. I would put the LP640 in the same class as the Carrera Gt, SLR and CCX. I would put the Enzo in the same league as the Veyron.

I think the Carrera GT and Enzo are in the same league and where they do differ is in price.
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Old 08-23-2006, 11:28 PM
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Since you don't seem to be the an Enzo type of guy.
I would recomend you the Pagani over the Koenigsegg.
From my personal experience, the build quality on the Paganis is way better than the Koenigsegg, as some of here said, "It is a kit car".

The F40 is my kind of car, so I would put it in first place for me.

I also like the idea of getting the 599, carrera GT, and Ford GT instead of a Koenigsegg.

But I must say that the Koenigsegg looks actually more outdayted than the Enzo, You know the desing is from the 90's right?
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:03 AM
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Zonda is not worth the hassle of importing and doesn't look that good in person. The build quality on the car is just OK also.

Whoa, this the first I've heard of the Zonda build quality being anything less than unparalleled. The carbon work, amazing interior, custom Michelen tires, driving shoes from the Pope's cobbler--how is the quality and total package not up to par?

I'd be wary of the Koenigsegg. When you buy one, you're not as much of a customer as you are a test driver. The cars are still fairly new and reliability is an issue. Tiff from 5th Gear tested the Koenigsegg CCX a few months back and the clutch went south after a few laps of a track. Additionally, he said there's very little power in the low revs, as the gears are very tall to reach that ridiculous top speed. A Koenigsegg CC8S broke down during one of the Gumball rallies also. I forget which year is was (2004 I think), but I remember watching the video.

If it came down to the Koeniggsegg or the Zonda, I'd take the Zonda but that's just me.

I wish you luck with whatever you choose.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:29 AM
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I would go with either of the following and I have attached some links of cool vids for you:

SLR: I know everyone hates on this car, but really it is a great car. The breaks are unbelievable and it can handle around the track pretty well from what I have seen on the Top Gear tests. I also heard that they are going to fix the big breaking issue, re-vamp the engine, and the gearbox to help better sell the car.

Check out this video on the breaking:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-wKe_cbMlk

-Since you bring up the possibility of the Enzo it seems that your concern a little bit on the value, yet you want the thrill of driving. I would then recommend:
Carrera GT- Awesome car, production I believe itís sold out or you may still be able to get one from the factory.

599GTB- more practical, and I just think its going to be one of the sickest cars out there, I can't wait to see one in person.

Some things you should be cautious about:

LP640 roadster: from the road test I have read in magazines it sounds good and 600 to me is very limited production. However I would be cautious, and test-drive it for yourself. I read that they crashed a few of them already; the driver even crashed one on the way to a special preview ceremony in Italy.

Koeniggsegg: In my opinion I think the car is good, but in the US I don't think there would be much of a market as far as re-sale considering all the Carrera GT's, Ferraris, and Lambos out there. If you do get it, make sure you get the rear spoiler:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-wDCK5_3cds

I know this may not help, but there are numerous ways to go so I thought I would give you some options. By the way the F430 is my fav. car in the world, I absolutely love how it looks. Congrats and good luck on your purchase.
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Old 08-24-2006, 01:52 AM
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IMO carrera GT and SLR and zonda's are in the second league
Zonda 2nd league?! ur joking right?
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:37 AM
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I think you dont need to buy any of those cars you already have the best of them all
the F430

but if not get a 599 gtb i bet it could do a faster lap time around a track than lp640.
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Old 08-24-2006, 05:48 AM
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I just want to thank you guys for you info. BUt one thing that nobody here seems to understand is the definition of KIt Car. The 599 is just as much of a kit car as the koenigsegg is. Why is this? Lets go through the list. A kit car is one that has mostly none OEM manufacturer parts.

599:

Brakes are made bt brembo

Suspension is made by sachs

Engine is ferrari

Seats are recaro

Wheels are bbs

sound system is becker

Koenigsegg CCX:

Brakes are ap racing

suspension is ohlins

seats are sparco

wheels are dymag

Body is koenigsegg

chassis is koenigsegg

Engine is Koenigsegg(only on the CCX not CCR)

Supercharger is Rotrex

So it isnt really a kit car. Definition of kit car is like saleen or mosler. Now I'm just like all of you guys. I watch fifth gear and top gear. Zonda always look good on those shows as do koenigseggs. I looked at the zonda very close in person and it just doesnt seem worth the money. The car is great for performance. But build quality on body work is not that good. The parts arent bolted on very strongly and the clutch is horrible. THe koenigsegg drives very smoothly. It is easy to drive. Just as easy as an Enzo. Yes I have driven an Enzo. Not worth 1 million to me. So in the end my teaching in this reply is that dont tell me something about a car unless youve seen it in person. Also dont call any car a kit car until youve done your research.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:06 AM
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Right, don't call any car a kit car unless you have done your research. Why are you calling Saleen a kit car ? Are you going to bring up the "Ford engine" comment that everyone likes to go to? Fact is, though born from a Ford block, that engine is so redesigned, it is far from anything Ford has ever produced. Saleen is no more a kit car than any of the others you list, not to mention, it is the one of the few that can compete (and perhaps surpass) the Veyron. It would be tops on my list, Koenigsegg would be second.... just my .02
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:44 AM
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I have done my research and the saleen is a kit car, but a very good one i might ad.

Saleen S7:

Body is made by english company in Oxford

Brakes are brembo

Engine is Ford

Turbos are kkk

suspension is penske

wheels are HRE

sound is kenwood

Trans is hewlett(I think it might be Tremec also)

Pretty much the only thing that is saleen is the chassis and interior .

But i wouldnt let that throw people away. Because the car is a great car and is not a car to be underestimated. The build quality is amazing and when I visited saleen I was amazed at the officiancy of assembly.
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Old 08-24-2006, 11:55 AM
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Agree that it is a great car. Not a kit car imo; guess that term is relative to your own interpretation, and by those standards most cars are 'kit cars'. btw. NOT a Ford engine in a Saleen. An engine is made up of many components/internals of which 90% or more have nothing to do with Ford. A block does not an engine make. ps. You are including "sound" in your list ???? What car manufacturer makes their own sound systems any more ?
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:01 PM
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I don't think any of you guys understand what kit car is. News flash, every auto maker outsources parts. They has absolutely nothing to do with a car being a kit car or not. Here's a hint. It's in the name. It comes as a kit and you put it together. Funny how that works. The Saleens not a kit car. The Koeniggs not. The Pagani's not. They are all put together a t a factory by factory trained people.
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:42 PM
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I don't think any of you guys understand what kit car is. News flash, every auto maker outsources parts. They has absolutely nothing to do with a car being a kit car or not. Here's a hint. It's in the name. It comes as a kit and you put it together. Funny how that works. The Saleens not a kit car. The Koeniggs not. The Pagani's not. They are all put together a t a factory by factory trained people.
agree.. nice post
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:45 PM
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Ferraris and Porsches are thoroughly engineered by teams of engineers and crash tested to meet all stringent regulations.

Koeingssgg are developed thru trial and error by one very motivated individual. Clear indicator of kit car build is interior design. Compare the interior design between the koeingsegg, 599 and Carrera GT will show the latter two are miles ahead.

It's your wallet, 599 is great value for enzo perfromance and carrera gt is a piece of art in person.
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:55 PM
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Sounds like you dont need peoples opinions here. The CCX is a great car. It has great exclusitivity. You will be happy with it!
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:52 AM
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Compare the interior design between the koeingsegg, 599 and Carrera GT will show the latter two are miles ahead.
The later two are ahead because they have had decades of experience and a lot deeper pockets. Given the fact the K-segg was started in about 1990, they are giving the later two a run for their money
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:13 PM
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You should ask Armen (ag512bbi) about the CCX. He drove the only one in the country so if anyone can give you an opinion on the car it's him.

Here is his profile.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/members/1562.html

Here are pictures of the CCX.
HOP 8-24-06 Photos
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:22 PM
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A car costing close to a million USD should not have any excuses.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:41 PM
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CCX. Very few will know what it is yet their jaws will drop when the doors open.
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Old 08-25-2006, 04:11 PM
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You need a CCX. No one can hold a candle to it as far as having style, build quality and performance.
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