Hi, I've had a 360 for about 6 months, driving it today and it dropped to Neutral. Pulled car to the side of the road and shut it off, tried to start it back up, starts ok but will not go into any gear. Now, here's the strange behavior: -- there's a check engine light as well as a F1 transmission light (solid F1 light) -- pulling on the down paddle or trying to go into R produces a slight 'clunk' somewhere in the back, maybe the F1 actuator? -- pulling on the up paddle does nothing -- pulling on both paddles kills the engine The car starts and idles fine, is in N with the F1 solid light and the check engine light on (previously both were off). It moves back and forth ok pushed so it is truly in N.
This may not be the case with yours but the previous owner of my 360 told the dealer that it dropped into neutral when hot. They replace the clutch under their warranty. Also check this thread as it may just be a bad relay, fuse, or pump motor. Alan http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430/417903-f1-stuck-gear.html
Ahh the F1. I'm so happy I have a 3 pedal. It's probably clutch wear. The system does that to preserve the clutch and prevent overheating as I understand it... Bad news is you need an SD2 to tell you what the computer thinks is going on. If up in the air you can open the access panel beneath the clutch and take a manual measurement of clutch thickness.
Clutch wear is 20% worn, so 80% remaining. PIS is 4.5. The transmission fault light went away overnight with the car sitting (and no reset of battery, etc.) Strange? PS yes I should have gotten a 3 pedal car ;_)
Could have possibly been the clutch position sensor. Even with good clutch life if it erroneously tells the computer the clutch is too low, you get no engagement of clutch. ONly way to tell is with a computer hookup.
Maybe you'd get a suggested garage to contact if there was the slightest clue as to where on Planet Earth you live !
Agree with above. Tell us where you're from. I'd love to presume N/A means North America.. but even then its kinda vague.
Nobody will rent you such a valuable machine. You need to take it to someone who knows how to fix it.
Sorry I should have been more specific -- Providence RI. Understood on the rental -- just thought I'd throw it out there.
Ferrari New England is right up the way... about a half hour away.. that's always an option. For an independent.. perhaps ask around on the New England board. They'll be able to hook you up with a reputable shop.. Sorry can't personally recommend anyone
I know the FNE guys, problem is I've never gotten out of there without a $5K or more bill for misc things. Nothing bad, they are experts at what they do but also probably one of the most expensive dealers in the country. Is it not strange that the F1 fault would go away on its own? Where is the fault stored in the TCU?
Not sure if it's written on the TCU memory or if the Bus transmits it to the main ECU memory.. just not sure. Fault going away on its own... wouldn't be the first time. Suggests its intermittent abberration versus true fault. Can't be sure though. Get an indy.. maybe stop by and get a read and then say "NO!" -or- "I'll think about it" when they want ot do work..?
David is very, very good and has an SD2. ~100 miles from you. David Feinberg Ferrari Service of Bedford 19 Tolford Hill Road Bedford, NH USA 03110 (603) 493-1696 Ferrari Service of Bedford
Thanks guys -- I'll look into it. Separately, does anybody know whether Ferrari uses standard CAN to communicate with the different components on the car? If that is the case I assume the CAN database can be obtained and with enough reverse engineering knowledge somebody can write up their own debug tools? Thoughts?
It's been tried by several people and companies, and it's a huge, expensive undertaking owing both to the way the CAN is configured and the way you diagnose these cars. It's not plug and play, getting the error codes is just a fraction of the story. There are pages and pages of parameters used by us during diagnosis and unless you know what you are looking at you will do more harm than good.
Thanks -- I am very familiar with this protocol and know experts that write diagnosis programs routinely. I was just wondering if Ferrari uses the same protocol or if they use something else (or encrypt messages, etc.) I'm sure it's no easy feat to write even a limited debugger.
Durametrics were trying and I believe they gave up. The market is too small IMO to make it a viable proposition.
My problem is similar to some extent...leading down the path of the gearbox sensors as the next step to look at. Will post updates here and in my thread as I get some resolve. PM-ed you on local dealer and independent options and my experience.
