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my racing exhaust has arrived

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  1. TheGeeMan

    TheGeeMan Formula Junior

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    #1 TheGeeMan, Jul 21, 2014
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  2. 360trev

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    Nice!

    I've also ordered the same too from Ken so I can drive the car back on the road without being lambasted by neighbors whom grew a hatred towards my car. In fairness I was actually running on a very loud Titanium racing system (which basically sounds like a straight through in terms of noise!)

    For the best combination, Personally I would go with Kinetix Racing cats and some non-cat based headers with blankets. That's essentially what I run now (except I use a Ferrari 360 Challenge racing exhaust which has fantastic amount of heat shield but no valve bypass)

    You may actually find with decat pipes and a 360 Challenge exhaust you wake up the dead!!! :) Its straight thu from the manifolds when those valves open (ouch!)....
     
  3. TheGeeMan

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    actually I was thinking of not using the valves at all, I'm looking for a real raw racing sound,the way the 360 should have been delivered, the stock 360 modena sounds so boring , the first thing I did when I got my car was disabled the valves, sounds a little better.
     
  4. 360trev

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    Good luck with that. Every traffic cop will be on to you a mile before you see them so don't even think about speeding! I must be getting old but I couldn't tolerate this anymore, been there done that and hated it. Once on a previous Timate ti exhaust I had the system crack after a hard thrash around and it just so happened that I was nearly 1,000 miles away from home at the time. Driving home was NOT fun.. So much drone and not a particularly nice motorway cruising sound. Horrible in fact.

    If you aim is simply 'noise' seriously you would be better fitting no exhaust at all if you go 'valveless' on the 360 racing style exhaust because essentially that's what you'd be doing. i.e. bypassing the backbox completely (!) from the headers back....
     
  5. MPtolomey

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    Nice! I have the same crate in my garage awaiting installation. Just trying to figure out if I want to do headers and/or cats while installing???
     
  6. Kevin Rev'n

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    Love that box of joy! I think its the best choice for our cars.
     
  7. rbellezza

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    +1
     
  8. freaky1

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    #8 freaky1, Jul 22, 2014
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    I love mine.

    It's the best sound for the 360, unreal when the valves open and it explodes with sound.

    And if the police pull you over "It's stock officer, see its labelled Ferrari f131 on the exhaust. Same as the model listed on the engine bay sticker" :D

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  9. Chiaroman

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    Use the valves.

    The variability makes it FUN!!!!!
     
  10. scuderia_rey

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    Awesome!! post a sound clip when you get it on!
     
  11. anconbrat

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    Love mine and you'll love yours. It is NOT dramatically loud as some have surmised, just that little bit that does the trick. Enjoy!!!
     
  12. 360trev

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    Correct, it's a great sound if fitted as Ferrari intended.

    Speaking from experience the car does get obnoxiously loud when running without any cats in headers and with test pipes straight out. The effect of all those stock cats is to quieten down things considerably (and also rob lots of power). There is nothing in it power wise to use sports cats vs test pipes and they in many places (verify your location) still pass emissions too so no messing around. However you will loose low end torque if you don't use the valves so that's also something to consider too if you want the car to go well too.

    You gain heaps of power and torque if you fit this system with sports cats (like Kinetix) and headers (like fab speed) and the correct upgrade ecu mapping. It's one of the best upgrade bundles you can do IMHO on the 360... Sounds and feels great.
     
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  14. MPtolomey

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    Just received my ECU's back from Ferrari, just waiting on the Sport Cats to be delivered and I will have mine installed.

    Now I just need to decide on what I want to do about headers????
     
  15. TheGeeMan

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    Is it necessary to install the Racing style exhaust ECU's as well or discard them ? does it make a difference ?
     
  16. 360trev

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    Some people run without them but we don't really know if that does any longer term damage or simply reduces performance. Since Ferrari thought it was necessary to go to all the trouble and expense of providing specially remapped ECU's to go with the racing system I would trust their judgement and just fit them!

    Reality is that the maps and throttle sensitivity can be dramatically improved for the lower back pressure offered by the racing exhaust so the car responds better, its smoother to drive and has more torque and hp on the remapped ecu's. I think the reprogramming adds about 10-15hp. The racing exhaust on its own will make a lot of noise but won't reach its full potential (or power) without the remap. Also bear in mind the valve opening characteristics are determined by the ECU's too as well as the throttle sensitivity maps aswell.

    Ofcourse the car can run without the upgraded ecu's but when they came 'for free' and just need learning onto your car why would you 'not' fit them?
     
  17. hakankuy

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    I have been using Racing Exhaust kit on my car since 2013 march. I uninstalled my lovely Ti-Mate because of neighbours' complaints.
    If you don't install and flash the new ecus your car will open valves around 4000 rpm (because it thinks that there is a oem silencer with valves) if you flash and install them it will open valves around 6000 rpm. I never installed these ecus and actually they are on sale in Ebay.
    The reason for these new ecus is the missing button called ''RACE'' which exists in CS cars but not existing in normal 360s. In CS cars when you turn on the race button car opens the valves at 4000 rpm otherwise at 6000 rpm.
    I am using it with AP headers+100 cell racing cats. Sound is lovely. Please insist on installing heat shield under bonnet which comes with the kit.
    The only problem is rattling,jiggering valve rods around 2500-3000 rpm actually which is a characteristic CS sound!!!
     
  18. 360trev

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    Valve opening is one of the changes but not the only one, the fuel maps where different, the throttle sensitivity maps where different, etc. Lots of little differences contribute to make a big difference...
     
  19. Ron500E

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    As I understand these are for the F1 only, not the manual. Am I correct?
    Thanks,
    Ron
     
  20. 360trev

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    Only from the perspective of the software flashed on them. They are reprogrammable and ofcourse you could always get a friendly tuner to remap them for you (or transplant the fuel maps, etc.) over to your existing firmware, recalc checksums and reflash.
     
  21. MufflerMan

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    Thank you for submitting a video that isn't just the car parked and revving! So many post the car static while just revving the engine, and although better than no video at all, you really can't appreciate an exhaust systems sound without a load, nice job!

    Here's one we did of a 355, can't beat the one to two shift.

    Ferrari 355 with Tubi and cat bypass by Muffler Tech - YouTube
     
  22. slracing

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    These factory racing exhausts were also produced for 3-pedal cars. I have it installed in my 2000 360. Have not upgraded the ECUs that came with it and I am not intending to either, just love the fact that they open around 3500-4000 rpm. And the car seems to run great on the already installed ECU.
    So I'd say: go for it Ron!
     
  23. bisel

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    I installed the racing exhaust on my 360 Modena. Initially using the original ECUs. Ran fine, sounds great.

    Yesterday installed the ECUs that came with the exhaust. Did work at my tech's shop and they performed the reset using the SD2.

    From my perspective, there are minor differences in how car feels with new ECUs. The main being when the valves open. On old ECUs, the exhaust bypass valves opened about 4000 RPM. With new ECUs they open about 5500. I have a manual control to override the exhaust bypass valves, so if I want to make some noise, I can do so at any RPM.

    I read earlier that should have a bit more power ... I cannot feel that. The car seems to have a bit better throttle response with new ECUs, though.

    I believe that if there are minor changes to take advantage of the new exhaust, I might as well install the new ECUs. Very easy to do.

    Steve
     
  24. Carbonio

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    Very impressive. Can we hear how it sounds?
     
  25. burlroad

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    In one of the earlier posts from TheGeeMan, he strongly recommends installing the heat shield on the rear bonnet. For those of you that have a spider with the Challenge Grill, did you install the heat shield? Or did you feel as though there was enough ventilation with the Challenge Grill to release heat. Thanks!
     

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